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NigelT

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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2022, 02:21:13 PM »

This is how I got the unit, it's been modded by RCA Studios to use a 5-pin XLR instead of the Tuchel. as well as adding a 3 position pad 0, -10 and-20db. All of them are the same. I dont know if this is good or bad.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2022, 02:22:03 PM »

Board as I received it...
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2022, 02:35:28 PM »

First thing I would do:
plug in a mic and monitor on your meter as the heater voltage ramps up. Immediately turn the supply off if the voltage creeps past 6.3VDC, then adjust with the trimpot down to 6.2VDC.

The second thing I would do (to this and all other NU67 like it):
remove the multi-resistor* network from the circuit board (lower right on your last picture), remove any resistors* from the XLR connector (second from last picture) and connect the power supply Tuchel audio connections (pins 1, 2) directly to the XLR connector (pins 2, 3) via an appropriate shielded three-conductor cable whose ground and shield are terminated together to ground on both connector ends of the cable.

*These resistors were installed on U.S. - distributed NU67 supplies to attenuate the mic's output. They are entirely useless and counter-productive to good sound.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2022, 06:18:39 PM »

On to another one. This is the one I mentioned above that has high voltage and has been recapped. I tested before a load and got 299v at R2 and -30v at R9.
if you get -30 V at R9 the Zener is toast.
If it would work it would limit the voltage to shortly above -15 V even without load.

Replace it.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2022, 05:42:36 AM »

First thing I would do:
plug in a mic and monitor on your meter as the heater voltage ramps up. Immediately turn the supply off if the voltage creeps past 6.3VDC, then adjust with the trimpot down to 6.2VDC.
Will do. I've followed your advice on this procedure on all the units and so far, they are behaving. I'm also matching each mic to its own supply as I have read here.

The second thing I would do (to this and all other NU67 like it):
remove the multi-resistor* network from the circuit board (lower right on your last picture), remove any resistors* from the XLR connector (second from last picture) and connect the power supply Tuchel audio connections (pins 1, 2) directly to the XLR connector (pins 2, 3) via an appropriate shielded three-conductor cable whose ground and shield are terminated together to ground on both connector ends of the cable
Will do. All that has been bypassed by the big wires you see in the pic. But RCA installed their own pad, should I remove it as well? It's a rotary switch at 0db, -10db and -20db.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2022, 05:44:42 AM »

if you get -30 V at R9 the Zener is toast.
If it would work it would limit the voltage to shortly above -15 V even without load.

Replace it.
Roger that, Kai, thanks
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2022, 05:50:58 AM »

My wall outlets are giving me 127v. I need to talk to the power company. Meanwhile I have a pretty hefty Variac I will use.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2022, 11:09:50 AM »

On to the next unit: this one is the newest schematic (NU67u) with no trim pot. I received it in the condition you see in the picture. It looks like the legs on this rectifier were too big to fit in the holes in the board so someone hacked this in. It says RS404L. I dont know what the original rectifier part number is, is this one ok as a replacement?  The schematic says BY164 but I dont see anything online that looks like it will fit or even that package.
I found a note inside that says "Blows fuse". It was taped by the rectifier, I assume that's why it was replaced.
  The unit powers up but the voltages are pretty far off.
Under load:
R1 = 255
R3 = 244
R7 = 231

R2 = 22
R4 = 14.76
R6 = 11.46
R8 = 6.71
Other issues: the resistor at R2 is getting really, really hot. So is the Zener. Is this normal? I mean hotter than all the other ones in the other supplies in the same spot. It smells.
Questions:
1. Is it a good idea to add a trim pot?
2. Are the ceramic resistors R2, R4 and R6 original Neumann? If not, could that be a problem?
3. Should I lift all resistors and check values? I tested R7 and it is right on at 160Ω. I have not tested the others yet.

Thanks again for your help. You guys are awesome.
Regards,
David
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2022, 11:11:51 AM »

This is the schematic for this unit.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2022, 12:57:28 PM »

Change the input voltage selector to 127VAC and measure again. You then will be in sight of the ballpark, if not already in it.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2022, 01:50:39 PM »

B+ = 217
Heater = 6.52
Close enough?
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2022, 06:36:15 PM »

B+ = 217
Heater = 6.52
Close enough?

NigelT,
I don't know a tonne about tube mics, but I do know that it's best for tube life to be conservative with heater voltages. 6.52 is 0.22v above the recommended 6.3v for an ef86. In practice I haven't noticed any raised noise-floor running mine at something closer to 6.1-6.25, as was recommended to me by more than one very nerdy tube-head.

When testing out tubes on one of my u67s my tech and I noticed that different ef86 seemed to have different enough current draw that heater voltage needed to be adjusted individually, per tube.

When I had a 67 done by Klaus, the power supply came back labelled "for use with serial number x only", which I suspect is because the heater voltage had been adjusted specifically for the tube in that mic. I'm sure Klaus will correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2022, 12:29:51 AM »

NigelT,
I don't know a tonne about tube mics, but I do know that it's best for tube life to be conservative with heater voltages. 6.52 is 0.22v above the recommended 6.3v for an ef86.
6.5 V measured at the PSU is OK.
The cable‘s resistance drops some voltage, measured at the mic you will end up close to or even below 6.3 V.

Each 1 Ohm cable resistance drops 0.2 V (heater current 0.2 A).
Most cables have more than 1 Ohm.

This is why the schematic says 6.5 V instead of the tube‘s nominal 6.3 V, and why it makes sense to adjust the voltage for a certain PSU / cable / mic combination, while measuring at the mic.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2022, 06:12:03 AM »

Hey! You learn something every day. Last time my tech did measurements at both sides the difference was about 0.06v over a 7m cable, but that was with an ac701.
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Re: NU67 puzzle
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2022, 05:01:34 PM »

Here’s an example of technical date of a high quality tube microphone’s cable, Mogami 3172.
Based on these values one could calculate the heater voltage drop using Ohms Law:

Cable Length x Resistance per Lenght x factor 2 [forward+return] x Current = Voltage

Exxample from above (AC701 has 0.1 A heater current):
7 m x 0.046 Ohm/m x 2 x 0.1 A = 0.0644 V

If the shield is used for return current “factor 2“ is not used in the equation.
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