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ScotcH

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drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« on: March 02, 2009, 12:47:30 PM »

Elvis Costello, Watching the Detectives.  What the hell is up with the drums in this song!? Especially the hats. Anyone else find the odd mix of triplets and syncopation really annoying in this song?  It really sounds like my friend's 4 year old kid trying to play along to a song on his drum set!  I dunno ... maybe I just don't appreciate that "style", but to me it just sounds like shit, and should never have been released like that.
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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 01:06:02 PM »

ScotcH wrote on Mon, 02 March 2009 12:47

...and should never have been released like that.


So Hemiola should be constitutionally banned, I suppose?

-Or is it just anything which you don't appreciate?

-I think it's rather enjoyable. -The whole thing. I'm sure if it wasn't what the musicians wanted, it would never have been recorded that way, so I don't think I'm the only one.

Wow. This and the "great drum sound" thread shows a significant intolerance for things which people don't always "get"...

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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 01:22:28 PM »

i must say i am at a loss for words.
that is one hell of an awesome classic h-h pattern right there. it feels tremendous.

just relax and listen to it again.

-pete

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 01:59:39 PM »

ScotcH wrote on Mon, 02 March 2009 11:47

but to me it just sounds like shit,



I always find this to be the MOST constructive criticism anyone can make about a sound.

Soundguy looks down - "oh yeah, you're right... I had the "shit" button engaged"  presses to release said button, "how's that, now?"

or worse...

drummer into studio talkback - "hey man, I was playing like shit... can we keep that one?"



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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 02:13:45 PM »

Well remember, they had to struggle along and do the best they could in those days before beat detective and elastic time

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 02:14:46 PM »

"Beating the detectives" should have been the title perhaps! Wink
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MDM (maxdimario) wrote on Fri, 16 November 2007 21:36

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 02:33:03 PM »

ScotcH wrote on Mon, 02 March 2009 12:47

Elvis Costello, Watching the Detectives.  What the hell is up with the drums in this song!? Especially the hats. Anyone else find the odd mix of triplets and syncopation really annoying in this song?  It really sounds like my friend's 4 year old kid trying to play along to a song on his drum set!  I dunno ... maybe I just don't appreciate that "style", but to me it just sounds like shit, and should never have been released like that.


You should delete this post if you still can.

What's up with the drums? What's up is called incredible, deep, enthusiastic feel.

This is one of those drum tracks where I can't hear anything being better, and I wouldn't have thought of this.

If your friend's 4 year old kid can play like this... your friend has one great drummer in the house.

What's a great drum performance in your opinion?
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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 02:36:51 PM »

Quote:

What's a great drum performance in your opinion?


that is a great question.

-pete

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 02:38:07 PM »

I love the groove in that song.

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 02:42:46 PM »

Gotta continue on with the "loss for words" thing.

That's gotta be one of the best drum performances of Pete Thomas' career [edit: incorrect. Steve Goulding plays this song as pointed out below]. The tone of the drums fits the song. I cannot imagine it sounding any other way.

Also, on the Rhino reissue of "My Aim Is True", there's alternate takes of a few songs that feature this same drum sound. It does not "work" like it does in Watching The Detectives, though.
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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 02:47:37 PM »

how great are those toms sounding?
they bark. in a good way!

-pete

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 03:11:23 PM »

Man what a song.

The drums are fantastic.

What's next?  What do you think of the bass on Come Together?

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 03:12:38 PM »

"That's gotta be one of the best drum performances of Pete Thomas' career. The tone of the drums fits the song. I cannot imagine it sounding any other way."

There are different drummers on different versions.
The single version which is also the version included on "Girls, Girls, Girls" and other compilations is actually, my friend, Steve Goulding who, at the time,  was in Graham Parker & The Rumour.

I've probably recorded Steve more than any other drummer when we both lived and worked in Chicago.  Rarely did a session go by without someone asking him to play that opening fill!

What surprises me most about this thread is that someone would have good enough taste to listen to "Watching the Detectives", and at the same time not recoginize what a cool groove is on that track.

That track, in particular, is a great example of how informed british musicians were (and still are) of dub/reggae rhythm and arrangement.

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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 03:15:39 PM »

kensluiter wrote on Mon, 02 March 2009 15:12

There are different drummers on different versions.
The single version which is also the version included on "Girls, Girls, Girls" and other compilations is actually, my friend, Steve Goulding who, at the time,  was in Graham Parker & The Rumour


Damn, yeah it is Steve Goulding. Hadn't looked at the liner notes for that album since I first heard it!

So, it turns out it WASN'T Pete Thomas' best performance  Laughing
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Re: drums on "Watching the Detectives"
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 04:38:44 PM »

Lol - I hear what's going on,
its the dreaded rock drummer doing reggae feel back when reggae was newish in the 70's
so the beats come off somewhat spastic and stiff as compared to the 'real' thing...
I think this is the issue if you could call it that.
Great Costello tune BTW...
By the mid-late 70's Jamaican reggae & dub was 'in' on the London scene with the punks et al.


Watching the Detectives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNHe7BUqhc

Classic reggae hihat & drum feels in the direction the EC drummer is basically trying to cop (all Carlton Barrett 'the King of the one drop' with Bob Marley):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA3inbcb6FQ
(one for all the Hendrix fans!)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGH-GpWy5c
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