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Title: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 05, 2007, 02:26:08 pm
Hello,
I am finally building my dream. I have been recording in what was my front room for a few years. I am a guitarist that loves to record.Anyhoo,, Construction finally started, I am not sure if this is the correct forum but I figured I will try. Below is a simple sketch of what I am doing, so far I just have the foundations down and am pouring the floor as I speak. I had an architech draw the plans properly.
I am not putting the drums in ISO as the sketch shows but I am putting them in that area.
What I want;
Any info at all that maybe you guys can see that I may be doing wrong.
Ant suggestions on the best way to make both the live area and the control are sound as good as possible.
Thanks,
Clifford.

P.S the narrative on the sketch is incorrect except for the dimensions.
Thanks again.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8932/floorplan3ik4.png
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 05, 2007, 10:21:42 pm
Clifford,

Well, your first mistake was not inviting me down to the bahamas for some diving and design!!!  Very Happy

The sketch doesn't really provide enough information for an informed review... Is your control room the smaller corner room in the upper right corner?? what dimensions, layout and treatments do you have in mind?? Do you have isolation concerns?? If so, what type of construction do you plan??

There are plenty of us here who will chime in with feedback but you have to give us a little more info.. Let us know!! Cheers and save a shark dive for me!! What part of the Bahamas are you in?? I've been all around.. If I had my choice, I'd build my retreat out at Cay Sal Bank!! Nobody around anywhere. Some of the best diving and star gazing I've ever done!

FM
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 06, 2007, 08:22:32 am
FM,
Thanks for the response.

The sketch is one that I did some time ago, it gives the basic idea but is not very accurate.
The smaller room at the top left is going to be the control room. The dimentions are- erm... the longest wall is 24'the next longest is 18.9'. All the walls are concrete block except the wall where rhe entrance door is, that will be sheetrock and I am putting 2 doors back to back(solid core and sealed as best I can). All the concrete walls I plan to plan to float 2 layers of different size sheetrock on resilient channel(Auralex) and filling the cavities with Ultratouch insulation. The ceiling is to be done the same way.I have the electrical system for the studio completly seperated from the rest of the house except for the A/C units which will run on the main house system.The studio will also have its own ground and I have upgraded the gauge of all the electrical wires.All power wires are running under 5" poured concrete floor and all the audio wires and snakes will run overhead. Trying to keep my signals as clean as possible. I am planning on putting hard wood floors over the concrete but will still float my drum kit and all guitar/bass amps and sub.
Thanks,
Clifford.


Here is the floor just poured yesterday, the wall on the right will be coming down. The conduits sticking up kinda in the middle will be running to my desk in the control room.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8417/studiofloorpoured2my5.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 06, 2007, 09:44:14 am
I just finished going through your 2 Websites, WOW  &  WOW ! Can we be best friends? I got a spare bedroom and a boat and the wife cooks great Bahamian food Very Happy .
The Griffin G2A midfield's look Gorgeous,I may have to sell the wife and get a pair Twisted Evil  I would love to hear them.


BTW, I live in Nassau, same as Compasspoint. Come on down! Cool bring some monitors  Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 06, 2007, 08:28:22 pm
Clifford... with regards to being best friends, I am easily bribed with offers of free high quality SCUBA diving!! LOL!.. thanks for the props on our websites. I appreciate it.

Your basic construction that you've outlined sounds like it is a reasonable plan. Some thoughts:

Control Room:  The dimensions of this rooms are critical in determining the even distribution of low frequency modes... This is why a rectangular shape can be easier to work with than odd shaped rooms. Also, thing symmetrical!! The front half (at least) should really be symmetrical to make your monitoring environment best as possible. If you do a little digging you can find a number of resources (Ethan's site, RPG, etc.) that can help you calculate the modal response of a rectangular room. This is where I would start. It's not too late, as you havne't built any interior (or exterior!!) walls yet...

Detailing for windows and door penetrations can be finicky and are very important in determining your isolation between rooms.

Treatments>>> THere are many posts in this forum about basic approach to control room treatments, BUT you have to start out with good acoustic proportions to have any chance of getting smooth bass response!! This is the single most important starting point and can be almost impossible to 'fix' if it's messed up at the beginning...

Electrical: sounds like you're making a good start of it. You might want to consider an isolation transformer between your main power feed and the sub-panel for the studio power. Segregating the power as much as possible, as you've outlined, is good... and the physical separation between audio wiring and high voltage AC is also important.. but, even with a separate ground the actual hot legs for the power still come from the same source... Not sure if Nassau uses 220V 50Hz or 110V... if your electrical power uses a Neutral connection, there can be much noise shared between your house and studio via the neutral. An isolation transformer will provide you a completely separate ground (connection for your new ground rods, etc) and a clean neutral or two clean hot legs to base your studio power on. Oversizing the wiring as you've mentioned is also a very good idea... Lower resistance = less voltage drop = less potential on the ground (or neutral)...

Think about how to best implement your (rectangular) control room... look at the modal response based on all three room dimensions, then layout the rest of the rooms based on the best control room configuration... This is how we do it for the big boys *simplified of course...

Stay in touch and let me know when you're sending me a plane ticket so we can do some diving... and possible talk about studios a little too!! Surprised    Very Happy     Twisted Evil
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on September 06, 2007, 09:26:11 pm


Perhaps a little late now (understatement) but I would have used bigger dia. conduit ... say 4" plus for easier pulling of cables.

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 07, 2007, 08:23:00 am
Rankus, the conduits that you see in the floor are for electrical only. I am running all audio cables overhead in 4" conduits.

Franman, I got 2 words for you , "Stuart Coves" Cool

Isolation transformer,any suggestions where to look?

Looking at my sketch, how much space should I allocate for my control room?

Thanks,
Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 07, 2007, 09:38:26 am
How about this? It would make the control 11'8"1/4" X 9"1/8". I really dont need anything big but is this too small?And if so where would you put the door?
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4639/newfloorplanif8.png
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 07, 2007, 09:45:49 am
The walls will be done today! Razz
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2288/studiowalls1at8.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on September 07, 2007, 02:45:33 pm
NATAS wrote on Fri, 07 September 2007 05:23

Rankus, the conduits that you see in the floor are for electrical only. I am running all audio cables overhead in 4" conduits.




Phew  Very Happy

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on September 07, 2007, 03:50:58 pm
Hi,

I am from the Department of Public Works.

May I see your Building Permit number?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 07, 2007, 04:07:53 pm
 Shocked SSSSSHHHH!
dont tell dem, day keep telling me tree weeks !
dis dat an de udder   Sad

Very Happy  

this was another thought.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/121/basicfloorplan7xu6.png
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 09, 2007, 12:32:54 am
Terry,

I would like see your permits as well.... LOL, don wanna av to send da mon over there...

Clifford.. let's talk ceiling height.. what are your plans for the roof? What type of maximum hard ceiling (assumed flat) inside will you  be able to accomodate?? Then you have to work the three proportions as discussed above, to find a good ratio set....

I would suggest sticking with the rectangle concept for reasons of simpler modal predicability.... ok? Then it's on the reflection control, locations for doors and window(s)... bass traps.. etc... etc..  Very Happy

First things first... ceiling height?? what are dose rectangle dimension mon?? 11'8"1/4" X 9"1/8" no make sense mon...
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 09, 2007, 12:44:46 am
oh and ya mon on the shark dive wit Stuart Coves mon!!

index.php/fa/6132/0/
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 09, 2007, 08:59:31 am
First things first... ceiling height?? what are dose rectangle dimension mon?? 11'8"1/4" X 9"1/8" no make sense mon...

OOPS!! 11' 8 1/4" x 9' 1/8" would be the dimensions if left as the rectangle above. My ceiling height is only 8' 6". I cannot adjust this without taking my whole roof apart.I can increase the 9' 1/8" a couple feet but wouldn't that make the room too square?What do you think about putting the sheet-rock on top of the rafters so that they are left exposed?
Thanks,
Clifford.

P.S.
That shark looks like the one that stole my grunt off my spear a couple weeks ago. Also had me walking on water! Embarassed
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on September 09, 2007, 03:57:03 pm
you could make the rafters "inside-out" so you can use that space for overhead treatments... i'd possible shift the CR back and use the alcove for a small booth and put the drum and vox booth out on the main tracking room. maybe something like this:
index.php/fa/6134/0/
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 09, 2007, 08:59:43 pm
Clifford,

I like Glenn's layout idea a lot. I would also move towards making the control room larger!! Trust me (us)... anyway, working with the limitations you listed on dimensions, I would still recommend a rectangular shell to start with. Geometry (such as Glenn shows) can be built into the treatments (acoustic finishes).

If you were to work in the smaller alcove for the control room some possible dimensions that work are: 11'-10" x 9'-11" x 8'-4 1/2"...

If you were to consider a larger control room such as in Glenn's idea then it looks like 13'-0" X 11'-2 1/2" X 8'-6" is the best option that fits (after a quick look that is). It's not that much a bigger room, but I do like Glenn's layout ergonomically.

Interestingly, the modal response  if 'flatter' in the smaller room, but there are a few modes lower than 36Hz in the larger room...

You've got a lot of good suggestions and information now. I think it's time to look it all over and make some decisions as to how you want to move ahead. Let's keep the thread open.... this is a fun one (for me).
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 10, 2007, 07:57:40 am
Thanks guys,not only are you saving me money but also alot of trouble in the future. I figured that I had given this alot of thought over the last few months, ha!
I really appreciate all the input, this is a valuable forum.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on September 10, 2007, 03:41:12 pm


I like Glens ideas a lot as well.  However I question the need for all the little ISO booths.  I would tend more towards an open tracking room... I would put the vocalist in the control room with me, the drummer in the main room, guitar amps in the house or "down the hall"  and run the bassist direct.  Guitarist and bassist track in the room with the drummer under headphones... (Everybody would be on cans anyway in the booths)

This way you can have all the benefits of a larger tracking space.  (Better ambience, less deadening required to avoid boxiness, possibility to track sections with bleed etc.)

I always think about adding booths to my shop then think it through and come to the above conclusions.


Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 10, 2007, 10:12:12 pm
I agree w/ Rick as well.. What I like (most) about Glenn's layout was the control room location and size... the iso booths (in the Live room) are optional at your discretion... good call Rick.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 10, 2007, 10:13:17 pm
NATAS wrote on Mon, 10 September 2007 07:57

Thanks guys,not only are you saving me money but also alot of trouble in the future. I figured that I had given this alot of thought over the last few months, ha!
I really appreciate all the input, this is a valuable forum.


as to the 'savings'... I'll be happy to accept the R/T tickets and some diving when it works for you!!  Very Happy  Laughing  Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on September 10, 2007, 11:47:15 pm
Yes, YOU pay for Fran to come down here...then I'll have him pop by for some free advice...giving...
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on September 11, 2007, 12:20:29 am
I love Glenn's layout. The expansion walls in the CR are the way to go IMHO. It also made me think that if you did lose one iso booth, (which I agree on), looking at all those wall breaks in the center of his drawing made me think of rolling gobo-walls that could be hinged and the room could configure about 4 different ways! Including gobos flat against the walls for maximum space.
Just me thinking aloud, lol.
I guess you will need some kind of limiter soon for recording eh? After Fran gets the room right, eh? Cool I'm really close!
Just right up the road, practically.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 11, 2007, 11:59:23 am
How about this,
I am going to Hope Town Abaco for 2 weeks on Saturday, I ha ve a house and cottage on the water at the entrance of the harbour,4 extra beds. I'm renting a boat and my cousin does skuba trips, blue holes and whatnot. Why dont we all meet there,do some fishing,diving,drinking and eating.You can all bring a piece of equipment. I could use a really nice compressor and another lovely Lucas EQ, I'm sure Franman could find some thing to bring, maybe some monitors. Twisted Evil  Shocked  Cool

OOOOPS !
Sorry I was dreaming.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on September 11, 2007, 03:21:48 pm
Sounds great to me, (except that I don't fish, dive, drink or eat anything out of a very special diet).

If Larry can be a whore, so can I...

Obviously you need this:

index.php/fa/6152/0/

Remember, it says "Limiting..." but is what is known as a compressor...
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on September 11, 2007, 03:58:15 pm
index.php/fa/6154/0/
No, Me!, Me!
lol


Mine says "Compressor / Limiter"
Just to cover all those verbal bases. Cool

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 11, 2007, 04:52:28 pm
Now Now ..... no fighting Rolling Eyes
I will go in the backyard to my money tree and buy them both! Cool


I am planning to make my own cables, do you guys recommend any brand?



Anyhoo,FedEx just delivered my new Rode Classic 2. I,m going home to play.
Thanks again,
Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on September 11, 2007, 05:51:18 pm
Yes, Neutrik connectors, (Gold would be Bahamas-Rated), will keep you sane.

Switchcraft connectors will take longer and fail sooner.

Dunno about wire.
Many good choices.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on September 11, 2007, 06:46:04 pm
Wherever you have instrument level cables, use George L's.

Would this not work for unbalanced as well?

http://www.georgels.com/
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 11, 2007, 07:52:38 pm
I got a faulty Rode!
I hooked everthing up,turned it all on to warm up...
Rode Classic 2>API 3124+>Lucas EQ> Pro Tools.
The mic worked for a couple seconds then fades to nothing.
I re-booted, same thing. I shut down and hooked up an AT 4047 and it worked fine! I think something is wrong with the Rode amp,whenever I swithed from position to position it made horrible noise and then would just fade. I really hope I,m not doing anything wrong but I dont think so.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on September 11, 2007, 08:26:18 pm
CC, call me if you want.  I'll help look at it.

This is rare, but it MIGHT be the cable connection needing reseating, or something else innocuous.

If it is a defect, R
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 12, 2007, 06:49:54 am
Thanks, I will give you a shout this afternoon.
Apreciate it.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on September 12, 2007, 01:41:34 pm


For cabling I like, and use, Canare

http://www.canare.com/



Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 12, 2007, 04:08:05 pm
I won't call any names but someone told me when I first started thinking about expanding my home studio that whatever amount I figured it was gonna cost to triple it. I thought he was joking. Shocked
Playing guitar and recording music is the most relaxing thing that I have ever found, even when I'm stressing over a problem, in the end its still very rewarding. I go in my space and get lost for hours at a time and dont even get hungry.Dont know why I'm writing this. I guess its to convince myself that no matter how much all this costs and no matter how much hastle it is to get this up and going. I am finally building my dream.
And thank you guys for all the help. Embarassed
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on September 12, 2007, 05:36:03 pm
People who make their music in picturesque, relaxing environments often think better and capture those thoughts better. So you are way ahead in the vibe dept.

The room and gear just need to not screw that up, and sound like you want. And yes, it's a lot of dough.

But all this forethought when a slab is there is good timing. Cool
It's usually as strenuous and expensive to build a bad room.

Again, Glenn's usage of the footprint is how I'd do it.

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on September 12, 2007, 06:53:29 pm


Wait till you start pricing the cabling. "The unseen hidden studio cost"  that we all overlook in the budget planning stage.

But in the end it's all worth it!

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 14, 2007, 07:58:17 am
Well boys and girls, I'm off for 2 weeks vacation tomorrow. I'm also getting married Shocked , So I wont be posting till I get back. The construction will still be moving foward, my dad will keep an eye on them.
 So again thanks for all the help.
Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 14, 2007, 09:59:29 am
took these pics yesterday, the beltcourse.
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5872/studiobeltcourse1yo7.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 14, 2007, 10:01:36 am
another angle;
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9053/studiobeltcourse2oe0.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 14, 2007, 10:03:19 am
This is my recording buddy/producer/howler. He all ready for 2 weeks on da beach  Razz
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5750/shadowshadescu0.jpg
By natas123, shot with
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on September 14, 2007, 10:09:18 am
NATAS wrote on Fri, 14 September 2007 07:58

...I'm also getting married...


And so endeth the gear acquisition.

Seriously, congrats.

PS: And thanks for leaving the catalogue!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 14, 2007, 12:06:18 pm
Ever heard of an illness called GAS? Gear Acquirement Syndrome.
I got it bad Confused
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on September 14, 2007, 05:35:44 pm
I have seen many a talented tunesmith speak of their ideal home-utopia  with knobs of bakelite and aluminum, and take their eyes off the prize due to this "LED Fever" you display.

And they promptly disappear off the radar screen of the music scene!!
But man, they had a cool home studio.

So now that you have this new child, make sure the others like music still get fed! =)

Get the inside walls right first, too.
Those don't move with rack screws.

Us gear folk will still be here.=)

12 steps.

Congrats on the wedding!
and the build is looking good.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 14, 2007, 10:35:38 pm
ok ok ok... now after all this 'gear gushing' in the acoustic forum, let's get back to the cottage, drinking, eating and diving.. Equipment.. sure I'll bring my regulator, dive computer and all my underwater photo stuff... no problem mon!! Twisted Evil
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on September 14, 2007, 10:38:28 pm
NATAS wrote on Wed, 12 September 2007 16:08

I won't call any names but someone told me when I first started thinking about expanding my home studio that whatever amount I figured it was gonna cost to triple it. I thought he was joking. Shocked
Playing guitar and recording music is the most relaxing thing that I have ever found, even when I'm stressing over a problem, in the end its still very rewarding. I go in my space and get lost for hours at a time and dont even get hungry.Dont know why I'm writing this. I guess its to convince myself that no matter how much all this costs and no matter how much hastle it is to get this up and going. I am finally building my dream.
And thank you guys for all the help. Embarassed



The actual rule of thumb is "take whatever you think it's gonna cost, double it and add 20%.. this work for time as well"... no kidding, it's pretty much universal unless you work up realistic 'commercial construction budgets' with a design and contracting team in advance..
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on September 15, 2007, 09:37:55 am
i usually estimate the first 80% takes 90% of the time and the last 20% takes another 90% Smile  quality - time - money - pick any two.  Twisted Evil
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on September 15, 2007, 01:34:37 pm
gullfo wrote on Sat, 15 September 2007 06:37

  quality - time - money - pick any two.  Twisted Evil


Heh.  I have heard this one as:  Good, Fast, Cheap ...Pick Two.


Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 01, 2007, 10:15:18 am
I'm back, I'm tired and I'm broke Confused

We had alot of rain in Abaco and here in Nassau but my contractor still got alot done. Most of the rafters are up and they are starting on the gable. Of course I left my camera in Abaco so I wont be able to send pics till next week.

Franman I thought of you a couple times, we went diving conch  Very Happy
The first time my wife and I dove 43 in about 15' the second time we got 15 before we got chased out the water from a 5' barracuda Shocked . We also did some bottom fishing in the back of Man-o-War cay and Great Guana cay. All and all had a great time.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on October 01, 2007, 10:55:54 pm
Oh man.. now I'm really jonesing for some diving!! Gotta make a plan right away!! It's been way too long... over a year... gotta get back in the water.. Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 02, 2007, 08:58:20 am
Any one know a good place to get quality wall panels? I want to put 8-10 Mic, a couple instrument and headphone jacks.
Thanks,
Clifford.

So Franman, do you eat conch?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 02, 2007, 12:00:57 pm
Also, wouldnt it make more sense to use a Ductless AC system?
No duct noise and only a 2" hole in the wall.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on October 02, 2007, 09:03:55 pm
Wall Panels:: We have all of ours made custom by a great guy in Pittsburgh: Alumagraphics. He also makes all the metal work for our Griffin products.. On a more affordable and generic note, Middle Atlantic makes a great series of modular 2U hi connector panels called UCP

http://www.middleatlantic.com/rackac/main.htm#ucp

HVAC: If by 'ductless' you mean a mini-split which is very popular in the Carribean, like a system with a wall mounted fan unit and a compressor outside... we find these to be too noisy for actual studios. They are awesome for machine rooms and closets. If you mean one of those new high pressure (mini duct) systems, I can't really recommend those either. I know a few guys who tell me they've had good success with them, but I don't trust the concept to be quiet AND deliver enuf air for a hot environment with constant heat load from gear, etc...
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 02, 2007, 11:36:12 pm
NATAS wrote on Tue, 02 October 2007 08:58

Any one know a good place to get quality wall panels? I want to put 8-10 Mic, a couple instrument and headphone jacks.


Hey,

Frank, of Lucas Engineering fame, answers:

"I still like the Modular Panel System from Signal Transport very much, and would recommend it highly."
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 03, 2007, 09:05:21 am
"Signal Transport"  looks great, thanks.
I am putting boxes/panels on 3 walls in the live room, what inputs should I put in them?
I was thinking 10 Mic,4 instrument and 4 headphone.
Thanks,
Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 03, 2007, 03:01:49 pm
NATAS wrote on Wed, 03 October 2007 09:05


I am putting boxes/panels on 3 walls in the live room, what inputs should I put in them?
I was thinking 10 Mic,4 instrument and 4 headphone.
Thanks,
Clifford.


Well, you need to think very carefully through what your needs are now, and what you expect they might be in future, and then add more than that, because somehow there's never enough of anything.

How many instruments will you ever be recording at one time?  How many mics?  How many players needing headphones?  Are the "4 headphone" outputs cue lines for downstream boxes (Furman, etc.) or are they to plug phones directly into?  Will you ever be wanting to have an amp cab in the studio whilst the head is in the CR, thereby necessitating a hi-Q spkr line or 2?  Will you ever need special lines for running "odd" temporary equipment, such as a drum throne thumper?  Will you ever want speaker playback into the studio rather than headphones?  Any extra tie-lines you can think of?  Do you expect the Nassau Symphony at any point, with 100 chairs full of out-of-tune screeching?

There's a lot to imagine here.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 04, 2007, 09:19:05 am
 Shocked
Thankyou.


I sent an e-mail to Signal Transport this morning.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 05, 2007, 10:00:45 am
This is what I'm figuring;

4 wall boxes/panels
each having-

16 x Mic

2 x hi-Q (for amp heads in CR)

2 x 1/4" instrument (for guitars in CR to amps in live room)

2 x pairs L/R input (keyboards)

1 x cat 3 or better Ethernet/RJ-45 connectors (headphones)furman HDS-6/HR-6.

1 x pair 1/4" L/R playback monitors.

? x MIDI

? x firewire.

any thoughts or suggestions? Confused

Thanks,

Clifford.

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on October 07, 2007, 05:38:00 pm
Clifford - here's what i posted on John's site:
i'd add 8 midi and 8 keyboard lines. this gives you 4 stereo pairs and a send-receive for 4 midi keyboards. i'd go with CAT 6 on the network wires since that supports gigabit speeds and i'd use 2 of those per panel since today you're thinking just the Furman's but somebody somewhere will want another one... use wireless for providing folks with network access... i'd add 2 firewire and 2 USB lines as well.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 08, 2007, 08:09:08 am
Thankyou, most apreciated. Smile
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 09, 2007, 08:53:34 am
Moving along.......

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7681/studio91007fg1.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 09, 2007, 08:55:03 am
Slowly but surely.......

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3298/studio910072wz6.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 09, 2007, 09:28:02 am
Looks like the workers down at arawak...
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on October 10, 2007, 01:08:36 am
NATAS, did you have to cut into the old roof and open it up everywhere?
Cause I like that double roof stuff for hurricane country!
When one blows off, you have a backup roof!

Methinks I'll add my addition like that soon.
Looks good!

You understand the importance of block roof gables in this locale.
The wood ones just fold at about 125 mph.
Hope she's strapped to the slab every joist with a metal strap. =)
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 10, 2007, 08:07:12 am
2 hurricane clips on each joist and the old roof is staying there. I will just have an opening into the attic so I can service it.
 Any thoughts on what type floor? I want wood, but should I do it myself out of pine or should I get the store bought stuff?

Thanks,

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 10, 2007, 09:21:47 am
Kelly's is now selling the do-it-yourself wood floor sections...parquet, etc.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 10, 2007, 04:02:46 pm
I went home lunch time and the roof is almost completely closed in. Very Happy
I also just ordered 10c/s of green glue and a bunch of Ultratouch insulation. The resilient channel has already arrived.
I'm gonna have to have a cookout to cover expenses, want to buy a ticket? Confused
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 15, 2007, 10:36:42 am
This pic is a week or so old, the roof is covered in felt. I think they are shingling today.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9321/studio1110072tq0.jpg

Check out my lazyass dog, too much effort to stand and eat. Shocked
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on October 15, 2007, 02:37:50 pm


Hahahah... I was just looking at your fat and lazy dog and thinking that looks just like my dog Charlie... He still actually stands to eat, but he likes it when I put his bowl on a step so he doesn't have to bend down too far... I can't show him this picture or he may get ideas ...

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 15, 2007, 07:41:53 pm
 Shocked my roof is leaking Confused
We have had so much rain and the roof is not completely sealed yet.Sure glad I moved all my equipment.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 16, 2007, 11:57:13 am
inside looking out.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5328/studio161007insidevh6.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 16, 2007, 12:13:50 pm
That dog is pitiful.

PS: Will this rain never stop?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 16, 2007, 01:28:27 pm
I went home lunch time, what a mess. Lukily the wife came home and started mopping. The water was only 3 inchs from the file cabinet that I keep my mics in Shocked

Anywho, this is the front showing the boxing and the gable vent hole.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9066/studio161007frontkp2.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on October 16, 2007, 02:56:50 pm
Nice punch-in!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on October 16, 2007, 10:24:10 pm
looking good!! and yes, the dog is pitiful.... LOL  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 18, 2007, 07:46:24 am
Ordering my light dimmer today, Luxtrol 800 watt model.

http://www.superiorelectric.com/PDF/Luxtrol-Lighting-Control s.pdf

I also have to get my wall boxes together in the next couple days.Should I mount the boxes on the wall or in the wall? Seems like a shame to cut 16" x 7" holes in my carefully prepared walls.

Thanks,

Clifford
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 18, 2007, 07:38:24 pm
So, I recieved my second replacement Rode Classic 2 from Sweetwater. SUCCESS Very Happy  It sounds great! My studio is disasembled so I had to settle with my Mackie mixer for pre's and headphones, it still sounded wonderful, can't wait to put it through the API's or the Grace. Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 18, 2007, 11:49:28 pm
Yes, those microphones really want to be used through a great preamplifier.

Looking good.

I would say mount your boxes on the wall.

And, you seem now to have surely more than enough connections/lines.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 19, 2007, 09:07:38 am
I would then assume that my electrical socket/boxes should also be mounted on the surface? It would be a shame to cut a bunch of 2" x 4" holes in my air tight wall.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 19, 2007, 10:55:34 am
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/4443/panelboxes2ey0.gif


These are the boxes that I ordered. The second long one down and the smaller one to the left.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 19, 2007, 04:11:11 pm
The more you can hide in the wall
the prettier things can be
but less air and sound tight

The more you surface mount
the more you will see
but hearing less of what you do not want
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 21, 2007, 03:46:57 pm
Well, the roof is finished! had the roof wetting Friday afternoon (Bahamian tradition) just another excuse to drink lots of beer, glad I quit Smile
So now begins the interior. I think the first things will be to construct the new wall that will separate the studio from my dinning room. This will also have the entrance door. I am planning 2 solid core wooden doors sealed all around mounted back to back.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 25, 2007, 10:11:57 am
This is not really an acoustic question, more of a comfort question;

How high should I mount my wall panel/boxes?
I was thinking about 35 ".

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 25, 2007, 12:53:26 pm
Our main studio mic/cue panels, which are 20" square, are mounted 19" from the floor at their lowset point, extending to 39" at their highest point.

Remember that, the higher you mount the panels, the longer each microphone (and other) cable will have to be, as usually the cable, given slack, will be pulled by gravity towards the floor, and extend to its destination in that repose.

The lower you mount you panels, the more you will have to bend down to plug something in.

Life is just one big trade-off.

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 29, 2007, 11:19:22 am
Moving along, This is the inside room stripped.23/10/07

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/306/nextstageofstudiooct230wh8.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 29, 2007, 11:20:36 am
The door sealed up.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7210/nextstageofstudiooct230pv6.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 29, 2007, 11:22:10 am
The new wall framing seperating studio from the living room.The wall in the back to the left has been taken down.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8540/nextstageofstudiooct230qa3.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 29, 2007, 11:23:25 am
Close up of framing.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/173/nextstageofstudiooct230wg8.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on October 29, 2007, 07:16:17 pm
how come the studs on one side are inset from the edge?

one trick to reduce coupling between walls is to rip the 2x6 plate down the middle, then trim the corners on the studs so they only touch each side. under the plate should be some isolation material like neoprene. this decouples the frame and if you add a layer of resilient channel on one side, that will decouple the drywall from the frame. you don't get quite the level of isolation that fully seperated frames give you because the air gap is much reduced but its a bunch better then the single plate approach (in most cases).

index.php/fa/6570/0/
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on October 30, 2007, 12:32:58 am
Nice trick.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on October 30, 2007, 07:27:34 am
Glen,
The 2x6 is ripped down the middle with a 1/2" space,not much I know but I am fast running out of space. I am going to let the contractor trim the corners of the 2x4's like you've shown.

Thanks,

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 01, 2007, 08:58:01 am
Woke up to Noel this morning. Lots of rain and not much wind yet.Its supposed to get really windy around mid-day.I've lost 2 days work so far on the studio but atleast the building is sealed up. If the weather would have come 2 weeks earlier I would have been in trouble. All this rain is a good test for the new roof, so far no leaks. Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on November 01, 2007, 10:03:00 pm
Glenn,

That is a NICE trick on the staggered stud wall... I don't usually try to decouple on that type of construction, but every little bit (can) help!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 04, 2007, 01:01:45 pm
I'm having trouble up-loading pictures, I will try again Monday.
I got a quote for hardwood floor installed by a local company;$21500.00  Shocked They are smoking crack I'm sure, They want $13.00 sq ft just for the wood! I can get it for a lot less out of Florida.I'm also checking prices on bulk Mic cable, any suggestions?

Thanks,

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on November 05, 2007, 08:43:44 am
NATAS wrote on Sun, 04 November 2007 13:01


I got a quote for hardwood floor installed by a local company;$21500.00...



Completely and utterly insane.

I would personally do the work for you for far less.

A "Lyford" quote.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 06, 2007, 11:11:37 am
I have decided to go with Laminate wood floors with a special mat underneath. Alot less than hardwood, oh well Confused .
I delivered all the insulation and green glue home this morning.The Sheetrock walls are going up as soon as the electrician is done. I'm still not able to get any pics up but will keep trying.
Next in line to order is cables and flooring.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on November 06, 2007, 01:28:38 pm


Somebody (mods) needs to help NATAS with his picture loading issue  Confused Please....  We gotta have the pics


Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 06, 2007, 03:20:40 pm
O K !!
I figured it out, wrong file type!!!
Anywho, here is the view from my dinning room Shocked

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7974/nextstageofstudiooct300jg5.jpg


Thats a tarp covering the frame wall, keeps some of the dust out Confused
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 06, 2007, 03:23:18 pm
This is inside looking back at the tarp.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9131/nextstageofstudiooct300zy3.jpg

The 2x4s on the right is the frame wall for the control room.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 06, 2007, 03:25:40 pm
This is the frame wall for the CR. The window spaces have not been cut out yet.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2486/nextstageofstudiooct300ne5.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 06, 2007, 03:30:00 pm
This is the entrance to the CR. There will be a framed glass door with 2 hurricane proof panes of glass. If I need to later I will double the doors  but I think it will be enough if I get it sealed properly.

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1522/nextstageofstudiooct300qq8.jpg

Thats it for today boys and girls, those pics are about a week old so I should have some fresher ones shortly. Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on November 07, 2007, 01:27:09 pm


I'm wondering if you might want to keep some of those tiles on the floor?  They may "sound better" than the plastic surface of the laminate flooring you are considering?  Just a hunch on my part.  Hopefully one the pro's can comment on flooring in small rooms.... I know Fran has mentioned once or twice that he likes carpeting in smaller rooms, and that has been the case at my shop... but I do wish for a hard surfaced area that I could pull up a rug and have tiles for drums etc.....

Just a thought for further discussion... I'm no acoustician .

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 07, 2007, 01:47:13 pm
I'm planning on putting one of these under the drums to further isolate the low frequencies.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HoverDeck64/

My room is small, I'm gonna have to try and get it as neutral as possible.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: jetbase on November 07, 2007, 09:08:08 pm
NATAS wrote on Thu, 08 November 2007 05:47

I'm planning on putting one of these under the drums to further isolate the low frequencies.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HoverDeck64/

My room is small, I'm gonna have to try and get it as neutral as possible.


Check out this post by Skullsessions over at Whatever Works:

http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/18384/2589 32/0/6028/#msg_258932


Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 08, 2007, 10:50:55 am
Thanks Jet Smile

OK, now the insulation is finally going in, I'm using mostly Ultratouch.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6587/studionov82007008dl6.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 08, 2007, 10:52:31 am
The window frames are almost done for the C R.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/479/studionov82007009vo9.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on November 13, 2007, 08:03:49 pm
NATAS wrote on Thu, 08 November 2007 10:50

Thanks Jet Smile

OK, now the insulation is finally going in, I'm using mostly Ultratouch.



what is Ultratouch?? I know we couldn't buy ANY insulation down in Jamaica and we ended up using some sponge stuff (looks like packing material).. seems to work ok...
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 14, 2007, 08:00:47 am
Ultratouch is recycled cotton (blue jeans). They claim its as good as Owens 703 through all frequencies, its less than half the price, it resists mold better and it does not itch! I ordered mine from Greenmaker Supply in Chicago and had it shipped to Florida then shipped to the Bahamas. Its also very easy to work with.

http://www.greenmakersupply.com/products/ultratouch/2.php?pa ge_id=66
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on November 15, 2007, 12:11:02 am
Ahh yes.. I remember this stuff now.. so you had to import it anyway... thanks!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 17, 2007, 09:20:30 am
The sheetrock started going up yesterday, I will try to post pics next week.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 20, 2007, 03:05:13 pm
The first layer of walls are up, the first layer of ceiling is going up tomorrow. Its looking good.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 27, 2007, 08:00:40 am
The wall is up;

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7600/nextstageofstudio251107rx7.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 27, 2007, 08:02:33 am
In the live room, the ceiling has 2 layers, they are putting up the second layer on the walls today;

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5647/nextstageofstudio251107jo7.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 27, 2007, 08:03:47 am
Looking in the C R ;

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2662/nextstageofstudio251107jx3.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on November 27, 2007, 09:00:17 am
Did you hide little notes in the walls so that in a hundred years, when the mutated space alien-humans are tearing your studio out, they can read about today?

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on November 27, 2007, 09:44:34 am
I'm hoping the "Space Alien Humans" will be able to listen to something I recorded Smile

This is the desk I am looking at;



http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4513/omniraxdeskiy8.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Steve Hudson on November 27, 2007, 11:53:21 am
Would having the monitors so far above ear level be a problem?

BTW, that's a nice 1998-era Mac G3/300 in that desk. I have held on to mine hoping that someday I'll score a Lexicon NuVerb card.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on December 01, 2007, 05:32:59 pm
Steve Hudson wrote on Tue, 27 November 2007 11:53

Would having the monitors so far above ear level be a problem?

BTW, that's a nice 1998-era Mac G3/300 in that desk. I have held on to mine hoping that someday I'll score a Lexicon NuVerb card.

Crying or Very Sad

I strongly suggest using speaker stands to get the monitors a little further away and get the height right. If you have to, you can flip your (2=way) monitors upside down so the directional drivers (or acoustic center) is a little lower. Just make sure you 'see' all the drivers from your 'drivers seat'..
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on December 03, 2007, 07:55:55 am
A couple people have told me the same thing so I am still looking for a different desk, I may end up building my own.
Anywho, this should be the last week for my contractor,all he has to do is mount the entrance doors and patch the hole in the wall.When he leaves I will let the floor man install the floor then I think I'm gonna shut  it down till new years.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on December 07, 2007, 04:22:43 pm
 Very Happy Today was the last day for my contractor, he gave me the keys at lunch time.
Now my work begins but I am shutting it down till next year. It will take at least a month just to clean up all the dust!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on December 07, 2007, 05:00:18 pm
Many an over-zealous studio builder has learned, at great expense, the inherent incompatibility of drywall dust and mixing consoles.

It's a total switch/pot killer.

Clean well, then roll the gear in.=)
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on December 08, 2007, 04:10:33 pm
I have everything in a spare bedroom covered in sheets, the dust is insane. No matter haw much we clean its still there.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Tomas Danko on December 09, 2007, 10:47:52 am
I once had a hole cut out between two floors, 80 cm thick piece of concrete and about 2x4 meter wide. The dust never seemed to settle.

It does help to spray the room with mist/water, spraying as close to the ceiling as you possibly can. Just keep spraying all the time, and then sweeping the floor to get rid of the settled dust.

Patience is your friend here. Smile
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on December 10, 2007, 09:06:02 am
I tried the mist thing last night and it works.

Thanks,

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on December 13, 2007, 10:45:53 am
Contractor is done, I am broke and owe a bunch of money. thats it till next year. I will start with the flooring and A/C as soon as I get back from Abaco.I will take some more pics tonight.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 09, 2008, 08:00:14 am
I am now working on my ceiling. I had a bunch of Auralex 2" x 2' x 4' wedge foam left over from my previous space. Almost enough to do the entire tracking room. I placed an order with Sweetwater for enough to finish. I also had some Auralex Lenrd Bass traps, enough for 3 corners. I ordered more of those. I will use those until I can afford some Realtraps and use the Lenrds else where.The room is starting to tighten up a bit,still alot of reflections but getting better. I'll try get some fresh pics up.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 10, 2008, 07:47:04 am
My double doors;

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9016/cliffsstudiojan1008004iq3.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 10, 2008, 07:48:45 am
Here you can see my lights (love the way they reflect)and the ceiling foam and temporary bass traps;

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2805/cliffsstudiojan1008001sk1.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 10, 2008, 07:50:02 am
Looking into the CR;

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/674/cliffsstudiojan1008003xn8.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 10, 2008, 07:51:30 am
Outside the CR, I ran out of Auralex foam;

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6717/cliffsstudiojan1008002me9.jpg


The wood floor is going in on Saturday.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on January 11, 2008, 02:16:01 pm
nice work! maybe intersperse the tiles to break up the ceiling-floor and wall-wall reflections without making it too dead. the checkerboarding of the tiles will help create a nice diffusive space.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 11, 2008, 03:12:55 pm
Thanks Glen,
What do you think about these panels for the walls, maybe leaving 2/3 feet between them?

http://primacoustic.com/bw-broadband.htm

Thanks,

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on January 11, 2008, 03:37:35 pm
i'd say 18"-24" apart, and on parallel walls, stagger them so they're alternated between the walls.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: J-Texas on January 11, 2008, 11:39:23 pm
Man, I've been sitting on the edge of my seat to see this room grow into a studio.

From the looks of the progress, you've spent a lot of time and money, I'm sure.

I can almost tell from the last picture... is this the roof that you added on?

I know A LITTLE (only) about how to treat a room. I learned it all from Ethan and also Rod's book!  Laughing

I would hate to see you waste all the Auralex, but maybe you could disperse it around the room (walls and ceiling) make it more "even". I know that's what Gullfo said.  Razz

You will need some heavier traps as well. That foam in the corner will not be sufficient in the size of room that I THINK (only) it is.

THE PLACE LOOKS AWESOME MAN.

I dig the sconces too!  Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 12, 2008, 07:09:30 am
Thanks Jason,

I am only using the Lenrd Bass traps until I can afford some Realtraps, I already had the Lenrds.My room is small and the ceiling is only 8' 3". I read that in a small space it was better to try and make the ceiling disapear as much as possible hence covering the entire ceiling.

Thanks,  

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 16, 2008, 09:08:07 am
wood floor going down;

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/165/cliffsstudiowithfloor00lg2.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 16, 2008, 09:09:28 am
another angle;

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2312/cliffsstudiowithfloor00mj8.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 16, 2008, 03:51:54 pm
What would be the best colour to paint the Control Room window frame inside to help with light reflections.?
I was thinking matt/flat black.

Thanks,

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on January 17, 2008, 10:50:21 pm
NATAS wrote on Wed, 16 January 2008 12:51

What would be the best colour to paint the Control Room window frame inside to help with light reflections.?
I was thinking matt/flat black.

Thanks,

Clifford.



Or flat gray.  You see a lot of car dashboards this color... (I think about things like this for no particular reason lol)



Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Tomas Danko on January 18, 2008, 07:22:52 am
rankus wrote on Fri, 18 January 2008 03:50

NATAS wrote on Wed, 16 January 2008 12:51

What would be the best colour to paint the Control Room window frame inside to help with light reflections.?
I was thinking matt/flat black.

Thanks,

Clifford.


Or flat gray.  You see a lot of car dashboards this color... (I think about things like this for no particular reason lol)



As if you've never built a car!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 18, 2008, 08:00:05 am
    RECORDING    Very Happy

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9206/sstudio011808001ay6.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 18, 2008, 08:01:48 am
sorry its so dark, cheap camera that I paid alot for!

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6273/sstudio011808004fi0.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 18, 2008, 08:02:56 am
I could not wait.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8084/sstudio011808003fy9.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on January 24, 2008, 12:03:50 pm
Ductless A/C's going in today.
12,000 Btu in the C r
24,000 Btu in the live room
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Halfway Competent on February 06, 2008, 07:18:54 pm
That looks awesome!

By the way, the pictures are dark because your walls are white.  When a camera determines exposure, it measures light and shoots for an average brightness between the lightest and darkest parts of the image.  When the whole image is white, this means an average of gray.  

In the pictures with instruments in them (which have light and dark parts), the snare drum reflected the flash back at the camera, and those small, bright spots threw the meter off, thus a darker exposure.

Happy recording!  Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on February 08, 2008, 08:14:32 am
AHHH, I see, "Said the blind man".

The control room is almost done, I did it interly of purple Auralex. Its a small irregular shape so I am trying to make it dead. The CR door is being installed. I ended up with a framed glass door with 2x 3/8 panes but I built the door frame so that later I can put another door if the one is not quiet enough.The window frames are also being made so hopefully I will be able to paint them this weekend. Each window will have 1/2" and 3/8" glass. The outside glass will be mounted at an angle. Glass is expensive! I will get some fresh pictures next week.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on February 14, 2008, 08:44:54 am
Control desk Left;

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4015/controlrooml2re0.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on February 14, 2008, 08:51:10 am
CR right side,

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7726/controlroomr2jv7.jpg


Nothing is wired in yet, I,m still working on the patch bay. The I-mac is  going to be retired to internet use. I am ordering my new Mac today.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on February 14, 2008, 10:58:10 pm
Nice looking EQ there.

Sorry I haven't checked the patchbay thing yet...will try to by weekend.

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on February 17, 2008, 04:00:21 pm


Looking good!


Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on February 17, 2008, 09:51:22 pm
DId you make any sound yet?? We're all curious about the real test... how do things sound?? Is the isolation and noise floor workable... how did the Ductless AC work out?? Do you think you can work with it?? More info please... (for all our interested readers who have been following this for a few months now)....

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on February 19, 2008, 02:53:58 pm
I have not done any real test's yet. I have not run my cables yet. However, I have put the bedroom stereo in the live room, its about 60 watts/side with a sub. I floored it out with some AC/DC, stepped outside and shut the 2 doors. If you listen real close you can just bear ly hear it and no bass!.
 I had the wife go inside and whack a Pearl Piccolo snare while I stood outside. Again I could hardly hear it.So I am figuring I was successful at good isolation and I still have acoustic panels for the wall, about 20 of them 2'x4'x4" and a couple throw rugs for the floor. I am also going to double seal the 2 entrance doors with silicon weather stripping.
 The sound of the stereo in the live area, so far its a little bass heavy. Not so bad figuring bare sheet-rock walls and bare wood floors. I have some Lenrd bass traps in the corners(temporary until I can afford some Real Traps)When the panela go up I think it will sound allot better.
 The control room has acoustic foam on the walls and ceiling with Lenrds in the corners. The floor is bare wood.I was surprised at how much better the stereo sounded in there. Crystal clear!I listoned to some familiar music and it sounded great.
 I purchased Event SP8's for my new near-fields but with my luck one of them came faulty and has to return Mad .
The glass people will be installing the CR window glass on Friday. 1/2" and 3/8". The door to the CR also has double glass. So far I only have one installed but have provision for a second one later on if I need it, I'm sure I will.

Thanks for the help so far,

Clifford.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on February 29, 2008, 10:42:11 am
O.K. My replacement SP-8 arrived today so I will be checking them out over the weekend. The CR is finished except for wiring.
My new computer is on its way and so are my wall panels,28 in all.If I can find time this weekend I will be doing some painting in the live area. The glass went in last weekend,it looks nice. The installation guy told me that I was going to have problems with moisture between the panes of glass. I had a bunch of silica jell packs that I tore open and put in the frame, so far so good.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 16, 2008, 12:26:10 pm
Spent most of the weekend installing Bass traps,almost done. If I get finished I will post pics.

My computer arrived from E A R last week,I'm waiting for me computer geek friend to help me re-instal ProTools.

My Patchbay and bulk cables should be here this week.
fun fun fun  Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 17, 2008, 09:13:11 am
Panels are mounted except the corners, the plastic is still on them.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9229/cliffsstudiomarch172008hn9.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 17, 2008, 09:15:01 am
The drum area.
I'm not too sure about the wall color, what do you think?

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4991/cliffsstudiomarch172008ub0.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 17, 2008, 09:16:01 am
Got lots of junk to move.Old B-15 and B-18 for the trash Confused

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3883/cliffsstudiomarch172008qi0.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 17, 2008, 09:17:07 am
more junk;

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6929/cliffsstudiomarch172008ze5.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 17, 2008, 09:18:15 am
In through the out door;



http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5696/cliffsstudiomarch172008xo7.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on March 17, 2008, 12:54:28 pm
nice! the room colour is a very happy one! how does it sound?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 17, 2008, 01:06:55 pm
Thanks Glen,

 So far nothing is hooked up and my drums are not here yet.
However I have played my acoustic guitar,electric guitar and bass and have banged on my Slingerland.
 The acoustic guitar sounded great but it did sound a little low in volume. Nothing missing though, Lows,mids and highs all present and sweet.
 I played my Tele through a 66 Ampeg Jet, it was lovely,great bottom end and the mids in my face, again I found myself increasing the volume more than usual.
 The snare was the most pleasing, before the traps the sound bounced all over the room and was very harsh on the ears. Now there is 0 bounce and the decay is almost instant.

I like it Very Happy

What is a good way to test the room?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on March 17, 2008, 08:33:05 pm
C.Cash wrote on Mon, 17 March 2008 13:06

What is a good way to test the room?



Record a hit song in it.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 18, 2008, 07:37:23 am
compasspnt wrote on Mon, 17 March 2008 19:33

C.Cash wrote on Mon, 17 March 2008 13:06

What is a good way to test the room?



Record a hit song in it.



That sounds like an offer?   Twisted Evil
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 22, 2008, 07:38:25 am
So, I got an old Tama kit in my studio until my Ludwig arrives.I had a couple friends over, bass player,drummer and another guitar.I broke out the 66 Radio King and warmed up the B-18n.
 The room sounds great, the first thing I noticed was we could still talk to each other while the drums were being played.I have not been using the B-18 because the speaker is either blown or really weak, no problem yesterday, volume at about 10.30 was more than enough lovely fat bass. Everyone could hear everyone and even though there was no PA we were able to sing and still hear ourselves.
 I stepped out of the studio to take a leak and shut the doors and the wife was in the front room happily watching TV Very Happy

So far so good.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on March 27, 2008, 04:33:22 pm
Forks Drum Closet shipped my drums yesterday, Ludwig Legacy Classic 3 ply maple,DW hardware and Paiste Traditional thin cymbals. oooooooooooo I cant wait! Cool

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9867/ludwiglegacyclassicsm5.gif
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: J-Texas on March 31, 2008, 12:43:59 am
Clifford. Dude. Let's hear some mics in there for Pete's sake!  Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on March 31, 2008, 10:13:23 pm


Congrats Cliff it looks like it is really coming together for you!

Looking good!

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 02, 2008, 08:11:45 am
My drums and cymbals arrived yesterday, they are beautiful, money spent well. My drummer is coming in from Panama on Monday to set it up and tune it. I also got my API 2500 and SM57/Tab-Funkenwerk Mic from Mercenary,oooooooo pretty API.All I need now is the Lucas limiter and I am done Very Happy
 I also had to order another patch-bay, one is not enough.Needless to say I am extra broke Confused
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on April 02, 2008, 01:50:52 pm
C.Cash wrote on Wed, 02 April 2008 05:11

Needless to say I am extra broke Confused


Music will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no music. ~ Adapted from Freewheeling Franklin

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 10, 2008, 08:35:57 am
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3972/cliffsstudioapril9th200qh4.jpg


Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 10, 2008, 08:43:03 am
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/808/cliffsstudioapril9th200dh4.jpg


Set and tuned.
I will have sound in the live room by Saturday evening, hopefully the Mac will be done too.
The drums sound wonderful in the room.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on April 10, 2008, 09:30:52 am
Wait.

Is that a China cymbal?

We have to talk.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 10, 2008, 03:26:41 pm
  The China came with a few other older cymbals that I purchased some time back. My drummer set it up. The other cymbals that are mounted are all Paiste traditional thins,16"/18" crash 22"ride and 14" Hi-Hats, they sound really nice, not to loud.The China does not do much for me.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on April 11, 2008, 01:28:11 am
C.Cash wrote on Thu, 10 April 2008 15:26

My drummer set it up.




Drummers sometimes don't know any better.

Take it back down.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 11, 2008, 10:22:07 am
http://www.youtube.com/v/aFPJnRZ9LfA&hl=en[/url]"



My drummer with just the camera mic. I'm not quite set up yet.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on April 11, 2008, 04:03:36 pm
THE CHINA IS STILL THERE.



And what is worse, HE HIT IT.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 12, 2008, 07:36:27 am
 Shocked  Embarassed
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: ShakesTheClown on April 14, 2008, 03:48:51 pm
Twice!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 16, 2008, 11:09:23 am
My wiring is about 1/2 done, I have to order some more 8pair cable Confused I should have sound in the live room by this evening.
I have had 2 band practice sessions so far, bass/drums/guitar/vox.The room sounds awesome. Everyone is commenting how nice it sounds. Best of all the wife was still able to watch American Idol in the next room while we practiced!
Success Smile
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: J-Texas on April 21, 2008, 11:36:31 pm
C.Cash wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 10:09

Best of all the wife was still able to watch American Idol in the next room while we practiced!
Success Smile


Man, you realize it was worth EVERY penny, right?  Laughing
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on April 30, 2008, 10:49:50 am
First semi recording!
No mics, no pres, nothing, just a cheap camera mic.
Please dont flame me too hard Embarassed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgzFBAYIBBc
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on May 01, 2008, 09:39:45 pm
The china is still there.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Larrchild on May 01, 2008, 10:27:16 pm
Needs a Rhodes part.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on May 02, 2008, 08:06:01 am
 Very Happy

I want a Rhodes real bad, keeping my eyes on e-bay.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on May 06, 2008, 05:45:45 pm
Well boys and girls, its that time of the year again. Vacation time!!! Hallelujah! Going back to Hope Town in the Abacos. Swimming,fishing,diving conch and lots of chilling. So the project will go on hold yet again but this time I am much closer to the bar. A few more hours of wiring and pulling cables then I am done. I am carrying the laptop this trip along with the Telecaster,Pignose and my Pomeranian Smile so hopefully I will be able to stay in touch. I should be back on the 19th.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on May 06, 2008, 10:47:27 pm
What is this "vacation" thing you talk about?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: tom eaton on May 07, 2008, 12:30:03 am
Oh come on.  You both live in the Bahamas.  Working there would be a vacation for most of us.

It's 50 degrees here right now.  I think tomorrow it'll get almost to 60.  We might open a window.

-tom
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on May 07, 2008, 01:43:57 pm
compasspnt wrote on Tue, 06 May 2008 19:47

What is this "vacation" thing you talk about?




Every day's a holiday in this biz . (but don't tell "the straights")

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on May 10, 2008, 10:35:21 pm
Ahhh vacation!... gotta take me one of those soon!! I travel so much on 'business'.. that sometimes my idea of a vacation is to veg at home and send everybody else somewhere!! Seriously, I WANT TO GO DIVING!! how come nobody is sending me a ticket to the bahamas to do a consult down there??? will work for Nitrogen Narcosis!!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on May 11, 2008, 11:09:21 am
franman wrote on Sat, 10 May 2008 21:35

Ahhh vacation!... gotta take me one of those soon!! I travel so much on 'business'.. that sometimes my idea of a vacation is to veg at home and send everybody else somewhere!! Seriously, I WANT TO GO DIVING!! how come nobody is sending me a ticket to the bahamas to do a consult down there??? will work for Nitrogen Narcosis!!



I got 2 extra bedrooms and the weather is gorgeous, we dove some conch yesterday, the water is perfect. I will be here till the 17th come on down. Spirit/Continental and Bahamas air have direct flights from West Palm Beach to Marsh Harbour Abaco then its a 20 minute ferry ride.......come on! Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: gullfo on May 11, 2008, 06:08:49 pm
franman wrote on Sat, 10 May 2008 22:35

how come nobody is sending me a ticket to the bahamas to do a consult down there??? will work for Nitrogen Narcosis!!


you gotta take one of your wheelbarrows full of loot and go to the local airport and trade it in for a ticket Wink
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on May 11, 2008, 07:28:30 pm
Hey Glen,

Its only about $250.00 round trip from Florida.
Didn't you say you were coming to Nassau some time?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on May 11, 2008, 09:57:18 pm
Clifford.. man, would I love to take you up on that... I have soooo much travel coming up in the next four weeks, I just can't sneak away... but boy, is it tempting! I got LA next week, then off to Rome to work on Gigi's studio, then right back and off to New Orleans for Pot Luck Con... whew... seriously, we are taking a family vacation in July.. I can't wait!! going to Jamaica mon... Rose Hall... should be nice. A little diving and a lot of jerk and chilling with the fam! I can't wait.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on May 12, 2008, 07:10:37 am
Busy busy busy!
Maybe next time.
mmmm... eat some jerk chicken for me and dont forget the festival bread.Yes I ! Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on May 16, 2008, 10:31:34 am
....well that went kinda fast Confused

I will be home tomorrow and back to work on Monday. Hopefully some more of my cable work will be done. When thats finished all I have to do is get the new Monster Mac up and running.Then the learning curve.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on May 29, 2008, 10:06:47 am
ooops
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on June 05, 2008, 08:20:47 am
So, we are about half way through wiring up the console. I would have never imagined it would be so massive. I am using 2 48 bantam patch-bays. Everything will be going through them. No more moving cables and fighting with spiders. The great Osie Bowe from Compass Point is designing and making all the cables. I thought that I was going to be able to do it,lol never.Mr. Bowe is doing a great job and has thought of everything.Last night we got about 1/2 the console wired up, the patch-bays are done. Tonight we should have most of the console done. So all thats really left is the new Monster Mac. I am retiring the old faithful I- Mac and loading up this new beast. Mr. Bowe says it will be easy.................
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: seedyunderbelly.com on June 06, 2008, 10:30:13 pm
Congrats  It sounds exciting-j
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on June 13, 2008, 08:48:26 am
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7201/rhodesiq7.jpg

running out of space, actually I do have 1 more spare bedroom Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: franman on June 17, 2008, 09:21:23 pm
sweet piano... now, about that other bedroom!!  Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on June 18, 2008, 08:03:37 am
Actually, the wife wants a new kitchen. Confused
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on June 18, 2008, 02:22:08 pm
C.Cash wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 05:03

Actually, the wife wants a new kitchen. Confused



"Sorry dear, I blew all the money on my studio" ....  Shocked

I'd say your f**ked  Cool

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on June 23, 2008, 08:36:33 am
I am sooo close!
Here is the Great Mr. Oswald Bowe of Compass Point Studios sorting out the control room. He has totally created the perfect practical work area. I cant wait.
 We fired up the computer for the first time and of course it came with the wrong O S!!! After all the conversation I had with the supplier they still sent it wrong!! Mad

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1213/cliffossieincliffsstudipm1.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 08, 2008, 09:08:25 am
I ran my first test signals last night!
Crystal clear!
After a few days fighting with the computer and Digidesign I am finally up and running thanks to the Great Mr. Bowe and the people at Sweetwater.
 We also have the Control Room sounding perfect. I had to slip the desk back about 3 1/2' so that I could get the near-fields off the wall. Now the sound is balanced and lovely where I sit.
Its going to be a great weekend. Very Happy

erm... So anyone else using Leopard? Confused
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 16, 2008, 08:29:05 am
OK,  I am getting really close. In fact I plan to start experimenting with miking the drums this weekend. Keep in mind that I have never recorded acoustic drums, should be interesting.My NT-5's arrived just in time and the Heil 40 has been waiting for a couple months.
 I have been told that I need to put up more pictures. The wife got a nice new Nikon for her birthday so we shall work on that.
 The engineer was doing some final soldering last night and we plan to get together again tonight to install Tranzport and to reinstall my plug-ins. The Furman headphone system is up and running perfectly and the Mac/Leopard has been flawless.(knock wood) Smile
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Tomas Danko on July 16, 2008, 09:17:09 am
C.Cash wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:29

OK,  I am getting really close. In fact I plan to start experimenting with miking the drums this weekend. Keep in mind that I have never recorded acoustic drums, should be interesting.My NT-5's arrived just in time and the Heil 40 has been waiting for a couple months.
 I have been told that I need to put up more pictures. The wife got a nice new Nikon for her birthday so we shall work on that.
 The engineer was doing some final soldering last night and we plan to get together again tonight to install Tranzport and to reinstall my plug-ins. The Furman headphone system is up and running perfectly and the Mac/Leopard has been flawless.(knock wood) Smile


Messing around and planning with all them new toys is great fun. Just watch out for that intense void of emotion and the depressive emptiness that follows once it's all actually done and done and up and working. No more new toys to plan for. No more setting stuff up.

Be sure to fill that void with a lot of recording and writing of music instead!  Cool
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Barkley McKay on July 16, 2008, 09:36:58 am
Tomas Danko wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 14:17

C.Cash wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:29

OK,  I am getting really close. In fact I plan to start experimenting with miking the drums this weekend. Keep in mind that I have never recorded acoustic drums, should be interesting.My NT-5's arrived just in time and the Heil 40 has been waiting for a couple months.
 I have been told that I need to put up more pictures. The wife got a nice new Nikon for her birthday so we shall work on that.
 The engineer was doing some final soldering last night and we plan to get together again tonight to install Tranzport and to reinstall my plug-ins. The Furman headphone system is up and running perfectly and the Mac/Leopard has been flawless.(knock wood) Smile


Messing around and planning with all them new toys is great fun. Just watch out for that intense void of emotion and the depressive emptiness that follows once it's all actually done and done and up and working. No more new toys to plan for. No more setting stuff up.

Be sure to fill that void with a lot of recording and writing of music instead!  Cool



Yup! You're done, sitting there looking at it, looking at you, judging the creativity you aspired to for when it was finished...then you go and have a beer and watch a dvd.

Barkley
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 08:54:30 am
O.K. these were taken last night while Mr. Bowe and I were getting it together. My wife took the photos.
This is me with my pride and joy!

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1623/cliffsstudiojuly16th200xk1.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 08:56:16 am
Just in case you missed it  Very Happy , a closer shot and the patch-bays neatly labelled;

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/968/cliffsstudiojuly16th200hi1.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 08:57:44 am
This one of two wall panels that I got from Signal Transport, really nice.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4811/cliffsstudiojuly16th200qs2.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 09:00:44 am
The Leopard.
Excuse the mess but we are still in the process.

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2685/cliffsstudiojuly16th200ch3.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 09:04:55 am
Another shot of the desert rack, API's and Lucas EQ. Cool

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5108/cliffsstudiojuly16th200dg5.jpg

Grace pre and Summit Limiter at the bottom.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 09:08:07 am
THe 002, Furman headphone thingy, HHB and Tascam CDr,Glyphs and Mac;

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6213/cliffsstudiojuly16th200ae2.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 09:09:42 am
A shot of the rear of the desk;



http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6615/cliffsstudiojuly16th200lk9.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 09:11:19 am
Cables cables and more.........I used all Mogami.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7263/cliffsstudiojuly16th200re1.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 09:12:32 am
The Great Mr. Bowe.




http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9163/cliffsstudiojuly16th200xr4.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 09:21:56 am
Most of you guys I,m sure know this famous Producer;


http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8894/cliffsstudiojuly16th200xr1.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 10:29:08 am
This is a picture of the desk where it was originally.
I had a bad bass null where I was sitting. So we put the desk back a few feet and got the near fields off the wall. Now they sound perfect.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4015/controlrooml2re0.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 10:35:24 am
Wow! seems like a year ago...........It was a year ago!

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4410/studiofoundationme2xq3.jpg

Actually, about 10 months. Not to bad.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2008, 10:37:12 am
This is where it was for years, all open into the frontroom.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1896/equipment1hs4.jpg
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on July 17, 2008, 04:23:44 pm


You've come a long way baby!  Thank you for sharing the experience with us Cliff... It is always good to have a peek into someone else's obsession once in a while to alleviate concerns about ones own.  Smile

Now.... about that kitchen...  Shocked

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 18, 2008, 08:08:47 am
Kitchen smitchen Very Happy

Well I am excited, I almost did not come to work!
This is the weekend that I track for the first time in the new space!
I am going to experiment with mic positions on my lovely new drums.
A pair of NT-5's overhead, Heil PR40 on the bass drum and I have not decided what I going to put on the snare. I will start with everyones favorite SM57.All will be running through the API 3124+'s.
Question;
I have 2 floor toms, 16" and 18". Both resonate quite a bit and both have moon gels and mufflers. Whats a good way to quiet them besides taking them out the room?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on July 18, 2008, 09:45:28 am
They are the best drums.

Why quiet them?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 18, 2008, 04:33:54 pm
A drummer told me "toilet paper and duct tape"  Shocked

um.............I dont know.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on July 19, 2008, 01:58:13 pm


My favorite studio drummer showed me a trick he likes:  He places a pillow on the floor under the F_Tom which is pretty subtle but helps dampen slightly (after moon gels are on of course).

Then, if that is not enough damping he will tilt the pillow on edge so that the top of the pillow is just barely touching the edge of the bottom skin... we use the leg of the tom as a prop... (We use a throw pillow off the couch)

All this said though I do agree with Terry.  I like that boom. And it helps cut through a dense track at mix time.

Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 19, 2008, 06:52:57 pm
OK,
 I spent most of today recording drums. I started first overdubbing an old song that has e-drums.I surprised myself, it really sounded great. I had the NT5's overhead,Heil pr40 just outside the sound-hole and a SM57 on the snare.First thing I noticed is that I didn't really need the 57, the overheads were fine and the cymbals were perfect.
  Then my friend came over and we decided to record a jam , drums and guitar. Again sounded great except for the snare buzzzzzz. Guess I need a gobo or some sort of iso for the guitar amp?
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on July 19, 2008, 10:59:48 pm
I rarely put moon gels, or tape, or pillows, or anything on or near a floor tom.

Nothing but a stick.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: rankus on July 20, 2008, 01:53:23 pm
compasspnt wrote on Sat, 19 July 2008 19:59

I rarely put moon gels, or tape, or pillows, or anything on or near a floor tom.

Nothing but a stick.



No eq, no moon gels...Good gawd that is a radical approach  Shocked

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Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 20, 2008, 03:02:13 pm
BTW The Heil PR40 sounds really nice on the bass drum.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Tomas Danko on July 20, 2008, 07:21:10 pm
rankus wrote on Sun, 20 July 2008 18:53

compasspnt wrote on Sat, 19 July 2008 19:59

I rarely put moon gels, or tape, or pillows, or anything on or near a floor tom.

Nothing but a stick.



No eq, no moon gels...Good gawd that is a radical approach  Shocked

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That's nothing.

Chuck Norris only has to stare down the soundwaves in mid-air and they will go all the way down to the final CD disc all mixed and ready. That is how good Chuck Norris is.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 21, 2008, 07:58:34 am
Does Sweetwater sell Chuck Norris?
I need one.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: compasspnt on July 21, 2008, 05:37:51 pm
Chuck was once in the audience at a show I played.

We were psyched.

He probably didn't even need a ticket.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: Sean Eldon Qualls on July 22, 2008, 03:58:41 pm
compasspnt wrote on Mon, 21 July 2008 17:37

He probably didn't even need a ticket.



Because he roundhouse kicked Ticketmaster, which subsequently exploded.

Oh...and cool studio, Cliff!
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 25, 2008, 07:57:10 am
Another weekend  Smile
What shall I try?
Maybe acoustic guitar and vocals?
Life is Grand!

So my first project is coming up in a couple weeks. A jazz trio, nylon acoustic, upright bass, drums and vocals. I heard the guitar and vocals, sounds nice, kinda like "Girl from Ipanema". Should be fun.
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on July 28, 2008, 02:07:20 pm
  I did some scratch vocals on my Rode Classic II, I did them in the control room. What a great mike. Up until now my best mic was an AT4047. Thats a nice mic also but the Classic II is way more accurate. I didn't get around to acoustic guitar but I have a feeling that the NT-5's will be nice.
 
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on August 11, 2008, 10:14:23 am
So far, very good!

Drums;
   I have already recorded drums a few time and to be honest I have yet to get a bad sound. One of the takes the crash was a little loud on the left O/H but an adjustment on the mic fixed it. I am very happy with the sound of the room. I guess its a little dead but its easier to add than take away. So far I have used 4 mics only. 2 x NT5's overhead, Heil PR40 on bass drum and a 57 on snare. On all except one the 57 ended up muted.

Nylon acoustic guitar;
 I have had 2 runs at this. The first was a Rode Classic2 on the bridge and an NT5 on the 12th fret. I got great results but I felt the Classic2 lacked some clarity, may have been the position. I also got too much click bleed so we decided to re-do it. The second run I used an AT4047 on the bridge and an NT2000 on the 12th fret. Very nice! super clear and full of body.

Steel acoustic guitar;
 Used the same set up as the nylon with the 4047 and NT2000. No complaints, full and clear.

Bass guitar;
  Tone tone tone!  Early 70's P-Bass into an early 60's B-18 with a Jess Oliver speaker. I used the Heil PR40 about 2" off the grill in the center of the cone. The volume at about 6. Into my Summit limiter then to the API. Heavenly rich and thick!!

Rhodes;
  Nothing serious here, I just wanted to hear how it sounded. I ran it to a Fender reverb 63 RI into my Vox AC/30. All I did was stick a SM58 in the middle of the the left speaker. It sounded great. I think I will try the Heil on it next time.

Scratch vocals;
  The first on I did of myself in the CR with the Classic 2. What a great mic. Super clear and no added highs. The second was a client doing a scratch in the tracking room. I used the 4047. Sounded quite nice, again the room is almost dead. Next time I will roll up the floor mats ans see how that sounds.

So far I am very satisfied, Its so much nicer than what I had before. Smile
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on August 29, 2008, 10:47:16 am
Hooray!
That time of year, Vacation!
To tell you the truth, if it was not for sake of the wife I would stay home in the studio.
So, I will put up the hurricane shutters on my house tonight and am on the 8.30am flight to Abaco in the morning. 2 weeks chillin with my J160E and the wife(my 2 women of choice). Swimming,fishing,diving and ducking storms.Hopefully the laptop will work again so I can still communicate.
Ya mon! Very Happy
Title: Re: Bahamas Home Studio
Post by: C.Cash on September 02, 2008, 10:43:45 am
I hate hurricanes!!
We got to Abaco,was there for 2 nights and had to come back home to put up shutters and secure boats. Mad