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Title: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: breathe on August 11, 2010, 03:58:18 am
New record.

http://www.post-consumer.com/Z4/Z4B1.mp3


Nicholas
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 11, 2010, 01:30:32 pm
Why will that piss me off?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMLjv3pxc3M
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: marcel on August 11, 2010, 01:44:26 pm
It worked for me (on a PC, I'm at my other job)...

I can't imagine why JJ would be pissed off by a few minutes of your mediocre recording of a mediocre band playing mediocre material.  

After a 30 second scan I was simply bored.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Dale Francis on August 11, 2010, 02:32:42 pm
after viewing the "dance" ... why would I try anything else ... must be nice to be a spoiled rich kid ???
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Daniel Farris on August 11, 2010, 02:51:27 pm
Dale Francis wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 11:32

... must be nice to be a spoiled rich kid ???


Careful where you aim that thing.

I've made that very same mistake around these parts.

DF
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 11, 2010, 03:00:02 pm
If it weren't for spoiled rich kids, a lot of good music would never have been recorded, going all the way back to Alan Lomax.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Daniel Farris on August 11, 2010, 03:04:01 pm
See what I mean?
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 11, 2010, 03:14:55 pm
I'm not being personally defensive about this, but I always stand up for anybody who gets attacked along those lines, whether it be Nicolas or even Fletcher's old boss.  You can't fault anybody for the circumstances they are born into.  It's what they do with it.  My family members didn't teach me music theory, how to play, how to engineer, how to produce, etc.  I had to learn how to do that, and invest the time and practice.

Now, if somebody is a dilettante, then that can be fair game, I suppose.  But just because somebody's family has money, you can't fault them for taking advantage of that.

Now aside from whether or not Nicolas is a spoiled rich kid, the question is more whether or not is he any good at recording, and is the music he's recording worth a crap?

It's not my thing, and he's not great, but he's not terrible.  He shows some promise.  His taste in music is what loses me.  Whatever.  I'm glad he enjoys it.  
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Daniel Farris on August 11, 2010, 03:24:33 pm
You're right J.J.

My complaint has always been about time rather than possessions.

When I was a lower middle class kid coming up, my complaint was never that the rich kids had more gear or nicer gear than I did. It was that they had more time to get better at their craft... time that they didn't necessarily earn.

Or, as a friend of mine once put it, "the trouble with being poor is that it takes up all of your time."

DF
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Dale Francis on August 11, 2010, 03:53:34 pm
 Yes there are many people who have done many wondrous things with the fruit of their family tree. I was wrong for making that statement. The trolling, arrogance and pomposity of it all was too much after seeing that lame ass excuse for dance.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 11, 2010, 04:04:34 pm
Daniel, I wouldn't make assumptions about what people do with their time, or how much of it they have.  Poverty is not the only hardship people can endure.  However, I admire anybody who overcame any disadvantages to live out their dreams, whether they be financial, physical, mental, or whatever.  

My girlfriend was orphaned at 15, and wound up homeless, dealing drugs, etc.  Before that, things were pretty horrific, too.  She didn't have any advantages, but seemed to find plenty of time to learn her talents, which have given her three concurrently successful careers.  And I've never heard her snipe at spoiled rich kids, either.  
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 11, 2010, 04:07:38 pm
Dale Francis wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 12:53

 The trolling, arrogance and pomposity of it all was too much after seeing that lame ass excuse for dance.


Well, that's another thing entirely!  

Look, I hate spoiled rich kids, too.  (I may be rich, but I don't consider myself spoiled.)  I just didn't think it was a fair shot to take at Nicolas.  There's so many other legitimate things to make fun of him for.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Daniel Farris on August 11, 2010, 04:26:07 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 13:04

Daniel, I wouldn't make assumptions about what people do with their time, or how much of it they have.


In my specific case, no assumption was necessary. Only observation. I actually got to speak to the rich kids at gigs every Friday and Saturday night. While I was at high school during the day and working 40 hours at night and on weekends, they were rehearsing. Not that I blamed them. Who wouldn't? That's exactly what I would have been doing if I didn't have to work. But if I didn't work, there would have been no gear to rehearse with, so it was a catch 22.

So, no assumptions here. I was friends with these kids. I knew how they spent their time... and I'm still friends with most of them.

Although one assumption I always assumed was safe was that the homeless had plenty of time on their hands.

DF
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Fletcher on August 11, 2010, 08:29:01 pm
I guess I'm fucked up, I thought it was interesting on a musical level... then again I like early "Mothers" stuff as well as Captain Beefheart.

I thought the percussion stuff didn't fill as much space as I would have thought it could, but what after seemed like an edit to another session the room sound changed and I liked the recording a hell of a lot better during the latter phases... totally dug the way the cymbals "shimmered" on the trap kit [geek shit I know, but that's kinda what I have to do - geek - which generally impedes my ability to listen to most commercial shit].

I found some music there that I will listen to again... perhaps even purchase for future examination [as I spend way to much time in cars these days]

Peace.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 11, 2010, 08:47:52 pm
I don't see any relation to Zappa.  I certainly don't hear this band capable of a "Peaches En Regalia."  

As has been discussed before regarding Zdrastvootie, and pretentious crap like this, Joan Miro and Pablo Picasso became masters at their craft before they broke their subjects down into disfigured line drawings.  This is somebody who can only give us the latter, and doesn't have the talent for the former, such as somebody like Zappa.  
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: breathe on August 11, 2010, 11:56:50 pm
Enough of this worship of people 10 years+ older than me!  The last ten years of popular music recordings have been absolutely horrible.  What?  Are you going to blame the record companies for not putting out good productions?  You don't take ANY responsibility for how bad it's been in the last ten years???  It's time to change the guard, and the way I see it only the new crowd who have navigated a value system through the trenches of post-modernism are equipped to bring back substance to music recording.  The 50+ generation is too alienated from this current cultural phenomenon to be able to contribute their PHENOMENAL talents to record productions, but they sure do design great gear.

Nicholas



Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: grantis on August 12, 2010, 12:03:11 am
breathe wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 22:56

Enough of this worship of people 10 years+ older than me!  The last ten years of popular music recordings have been absolutely horrible.  What?  Are you going to blame the record companies for not putting out good productions?  You don't take ANY responsibility for how bad it's been in the last ten years???  It's time to change the guard, and the way I see it only the new crowd who have navigated a value system through the trenches of post-modernism are equipped to bring back substance to music recording.  The 50+ generation is too alienated from this current cultural phenomenon to be able to contribute their PHENOMENAL talents to record productions, but they sure do design great gear.

Nicholas






So why don't you spend your time changing the business? Instead of...I dunno...whining.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Hallams on August 12, 2010, 12:21:01 am
breathe wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 13:56

Enough of this worship of people 10 years+ older than me!  The last ten years of popular music recordings have been absolutely horrible.  What?  Are you going to blame the record companies for not putting out good productions?  You don't take ANY responsibility for how bad it's been in the last ten years???  It's time to change the guard, and the way I see it only the new crowd who have navigated a value system through the trenches of post-modernism are equipped to bring back substance to music recording.  The 50+ generation is too alienated from this current cultural phenomenon to be able to contribute their PHENOMENAL talents to record productions, but they sure do design great gear.

Nicholas






Despite the title of your thread, JJ was not seemingly pissed off......did this disappoint you?
I had the impression that you, Nicholas were actually being regarded seriously in this thread and treated as such. My assumption is that you are picking up on this as well, and in order to maintain your stance within a paradigm that, to you is necessarily different to the likes of JJ and others you perceive as of the old guard, you have seen it necessary to re create the animosity that establishes for you a secure footing in your perception of post modern musical creativity. Assumptions are often false and mine may be......so may be yours.
False assumptions pave the way for prejudice.
Peace, angst or whatever works for you, there is not always a battle fought with the changing of the old guard to the new.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Kassonica on August 12, 2010, 01:07:16 am
It seems at least to me you will be remembered more for this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMLjv3pxc3M

than you will be for your engineering the way you are going.

This is shame.

Peace to you.

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Fletcher on August 12, 2010, 03:57:07 am
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 20:47

I don't see any relation to Zappa.  I certainly don't hear this band capable of a "Peaches En Regalia."  


I didn't say Zappa - I said early "Mothers" -- big difference.  If its been awhile since you put on "Freak Out", give it a listen... one of my favorite records.  I also referenced Beefheart, which has some rather bizarre stuff going on [which in many ways appeals to me].

Neither here nor there, just a base comparison that struck me.


Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Dale Francis on August 12, 2010, 07:54:39 am
so how do you compare this to the Fugs???

and changing of the guard ... you are still playing in the same damn field of mud, awash in all it's glory and using it's tools, not much change happening  ... the Stooges and the Rationals did a better job,  Who are the Brain Police??
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Fibes on August 12, 2010, 11:31:23 am
Sounds like early Royal Trux with a brooding art school kid babbling over it.

It's been done, no new ground here.

FWIW It's not that I don't get it, it's that I do get it and I know what it lacks.

I'm sure the kids might like it. Then again they might not dig it since cocaine has a different sonic trigger than what's going on here.


Vampire Weekend and Abba have much in common, all rich kid shit aside.




Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 12, 2010, 11:58:19 am
Wow.  Fletcher has been busier editing than Klaus ever will be.  

Is Nicolas really worth all the effort it takes for you to moderate this place?  Why edit him?  You should just leave his words up to haunt him, in perpetuity.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 12, 2010, 12:04:56 pm
I had nothing to do with that song that Nicolas posted.  But I did make this one, on black faces ADATs, of all things, in a log cabin, of all places.  Of all the recordings I've ever done, this is the one I would want to be remembered for.  I took this picture, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXkh77LaZns
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Daniel Farris on August 12, 2010, 12:30:04 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 09:04

I had nothing to do with that song that Nicolas posted.  But I did make this one, on black faces ADATs, of all things, in a log cabin, of all places.  Of all the recordings I've ever done, this is the one I would want to be remembered for.  I took this picture, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXkh77LaZns


Nice.

I had a trio of blackface ADATs, followed by a trio of XT's... and everyone's favorite, the infamous BRC.

I haven't flipped over an ADAT and re-seated the drive belt in almost 12 years, and I'm still bitter about how often I had to do it.

By the time I finally got rid of my ADATs, I was so over it that I was literally buying VHS tapes at the local drugstore. They made me hate my job so much. I just didn't care anymore.

DF
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: breathe on August 12, 2010, 12:51:46 pm
I really like this post. (His, not mine.  I agree with mine though.)

Nicholas




Hallams wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 21:21

breathe wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 13:56

Enough of this worship of people 10 years+ older than me!  The last ten years of popular music recordings have been absolutely horrible.  What?  Are you going to blame the record companies for not putting out good productions?  You don't take ANY responsibility for how bad it's been in the last ten years???  It's time to change the guard, and the way I see it only the new crowd who have navigated a value system through the trenches of post-modernism are equipped to bring back substance to music recording.  The 50+ generation is too alienated from this current cultural phenomenon to be able to contribute their PHENOMENAL talents to record productions, but they sure do design great gear.

Nicholas






Despite the title of your thread, JJ was not seemingly pissed off......did this disappoint you?
I had the impression that you, Nicholas were actually being regarded seriously in this thread and treated as such. My assumption is that you are picking up on this as well, and in order to maintain your stance within a paradigm that, to you is necessarily different to the likes of JJ and others you perceive as of the old guard, you have seen it necessary to re create the animosity that establishes for you a secure footing in your perception of post modern musical creativity. Assumptions are often false and mine may be......so may be yours.
False assumptions pave the way for prejudice.
Peace, angst or whatever works for you, there is not always a battle fought with the changing of the old guard to the new.

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: breathe on August 12, 2010, 01:10:50 pm
And by the way, if you think I've been posting the way I do on this forum for 8 years and not care about what I'm talking about, WTF?  This is the only thing I care about.

Nicholas


Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 12, 2010, 01:13:30 pm
50+?  Does Nicolas even know how old I am?  

The shame is that Nicolas wants to have a confrontation with me, but is too chicken shit to take me off ignore.  The problem is that even though he'd get his clock cleaned in any discussion, his myopia  would allow him to consider himself the victor.  

As John Perry Barlow once penned: "You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know."
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: breathe on August 12, 2010, 01:44:24 pm
I see you.

Nicholas




J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 10:13

50+?  Does Nicolas even know how old I am?  

The shame is that Nicolas wants to have a confrontation with me, but is too chicken shit to take me off ignore.  The problem is that even though he'd get his clock cleaned in any discussion, his myopia  would allow him to consider himself the victor.  

As John Perry Barlow once penned: "You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know."

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: CWHumphrey on August 12, 2010, 02:04:06 pm
Since what I originally offered seems to have made the "No Fly List", I just offer this:

Nicholas, you just keep being you.  

and J.J., you just keep being you (and I know you know what I mean).

Cheers,
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: marcel on August 12, 2010, 02:11:04 pm
breathe wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 10:10

And by the way, if you think I've been posting the way I do on this forum for 8 years and not care about what I'm talking about, WTF?  This is the only thing I care about.

Nicholas




That's sad, man.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Fibes on August 12, 2010, 04:18:53 pm
CWHumphrey wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 14:04

Since what I originally offered seems to have made the "No Fly List", I just offer this:

Nicholas, you just keep being you.  

and J.J., you just keep being you (and I know you know what I mean).

Cheers,


Ditto.



FWIW that guitar tone is 100% Royal Trux first rekkerd.


They were huge in the slacker cheap weed and cheaper heroin scene.


Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Podgorny on August 12, 2010, 04:59:32 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 12:13

The problem is that even though he'd get his clock cleaned in any discussion, his myopia  would allow him to consider himself the victor.




I know this is a bad thing, but I can't help but wonder if Nicholas is happier in his little fantasy world.


Frankly, I don't know why he doesn't just start posting on Gearslutz "Where you're right - Even when you're wrong!".
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 12, 2010, 06:19:08 pm
CWHumphrey wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 11:04

Since what I originally offered seems to have made the "No Fly List", I just offer this:

Nicholas, you just keep being you.  

and J.J., you just keep being you (and I know you know what I mean).

Cheers,


Carter, Fletcher took down Nicolas' post basically blaming the state of the industry on me, because I worked with Rod Stewart.  Little does he know that most of my working with Rod Stewart consisted of watching YOU work with Rod Stewart.  LOL.

And I'd like to take the opportunity to thank Rod for paying my mortgage for a while, as well as affording me the opportunity to grow my mic locker and outboard gear.  I'm sure Carter would like to thank Rod for his Grammy, too.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: L Ron on August 12, 2010, 06:46:20 pm
Nice to hear stuff you're working on breathe. You could've just titled the thread New Music or something without mentioning JJ? I don't know him personally but I'm pretty sure that people posting their stuff doesn't piss him off. I like the questions/rants/whatever that you post because it comes from a good place and alot of the time it's real interesting, but you gotta respect guys like JJ, all the moderators, and actively working ("old gaurd" as you said) guys who REALLY know their shit and give super well informed answers to people's questions etc.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: MoreSpaceEcho on August 12, 2010, 07:54:08 pm
Quote:

New record.

http://www.post-consumer.com/Z4/Z4B1.mp3


my mom said if i didn't have anything nice to say i should keep my mouth shut, so i'll be quiet.

she also said she's pretty sure that didn't need to go on for anywhere near 9 minutes, and the singer sounds like someone's standing on his foot.

breathe wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 04:56

 The last ten years of popular music recordings have been absolutely horrible.


maybe yours have. lots of other people have been making terrific records all along. sorry to disappoint you.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Kassonica on August 12, 2010, 08:47:31 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 02:04

I had nothing to do with that song that Nicolas posted.  But I did make this one, on black faces ADATs, of all things, in a log cabin, of all places.  Of all the recordings I've ever done, this is the one I would want to be remembered for.  I took this picture, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXkh77LaZns


AWESOME stuff....

Thanks for posting this.


Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: itsapleasure on August 12, 2010, 08:55:04 pm
I would probably go as far to say that the last 25 years of popular music were questionable, but really we're talking about POP music and we're talking about the music, not the engineering right?

Maybe I'm missing something...

Last I checked big Nick, is that you're an up and coming engineer.  Engineering (AFAIC) is about the CRAFT and the SCIENCE first.  Your beef with most folks around here seems to be more about taste which to me is kinda missing the point... I let that kinda stuff get to me in my twenties (as a musician)  and it prevented me from learning a shit-ton about music and life.  

I'm not going to talk shit about your record (i'm into shit far more out-there than that), but it sounds to me like you need to spend some time learning about the music making process (not just the engineering) in order for your production to grow.  Once you have a firm grasp on the whole deal, maybe people will appreciate your angle (which I think isn't all that bad IMO).  

I'm all for opinions, and I think yours are totally fine, just make sure you can back it up!

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Hallams on August 12, 2010, 08:59:53 pm
Kassonica wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 10:47

J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 02:04

I had nothing to do with that song that Nicolas posted.  But I did make this one, on black faces ADATs, of all things, in a log cabin, of all places.  Of all the recordings I've ever done, this is the one I would want to be remembered for.  I took this picture, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXkh77LaZns


AWESOME stuff....

Thanks for posting this.




+1
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: CWHumphrey on August 12, 2010, 11:03:07 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 15:19



Carter, Fletcher took down Nicolas' post basically blaming the state of the industry on me, because I worked with Rod Stewart.  Little does he know that most of my working with Rod Stewart consisted of watching YOU work with Rod Stewart.  LOL.



I miss you too.

Cheers,
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: itsapleasure on August 12, 2010, 11:28:39 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 18:19


Carter, Fletcher took down Nicolas' post basically blaming the state of the industry on me, because I worked with Rod Stewart.


I can see that...   Breathe finally says something truly on point and it gets taken down?

WTF?



JJ, thanks for posting the Johnny Cash tune... that was some beautiful work all around.


Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 13, 2010, 12:47:26 am
CWHumphrey wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 20:03

I miss you too.

Cheers,



Carter, I promise we'll go to hockey games this year.  I miss hanging with you.  I'm all domesticated with my g/f, and we hang out together all the time, unlike the ex-wife.  LOL.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: NelsonL on August 13, 2010, 02:32:04 am
Podgorny wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 13:59

J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 12:13

The problem is that even though he'd get his clock cleaned in any discussion, his myopia  would allow him to consider himself the victor.




I know this is a bad thing, but I can't help but wonder if Nicholas is happier in his little fantasy world.


Frankly, I don't know why he doesn't just start posting on Gearslutz "Where you're right - Even when you're wrong!".



I think this was already posted in the Saloon, but man is it great:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosogno sics-dilemma-1/
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 13, 2010, 11:13:05 am
Quoted for emphasis (and for Nicolas):

“Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties of Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-assessments.”

“When people are incompetent in the strategies they adopt to achieve success and satisfaction, they suffer a dual burden: Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it.”
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: MI on August 13, 2010, 05:46:34 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 12:04

I had nothing to do with that song that Nicolas posted.  But I did make this one, on black faces ADATs, of all things, in a log cabin, of all places.  Of all the recordings I've ever done, this is the one I would want to be remembered for.  I took this picture, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXkh77LaZns


Thanks J.J.

The minute my daughter heard it playing she ran over and sat on my lap.
She saw the picture and layed her head on me too...the moment was worth a million $$'s.

Mario
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 13, 2010, 06:48:59 pm
Glad you guys liked it.  What a cool story, Mario.  

When I got back from June's funeral, listened to it, heard the second verse, and started crying immediately.  There was not a dry eye in the room when we tracked it.  Johnny had just come out of a coma and was very ill, and Rodney Crowell's dad had just died.  Johnny and June were holding hands when they sang the last line.  

It's technically not the best recording I've ever made, or technically the best mix, but it's the most emotional, and I'll always be proud that I captured THAT in the moment.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: MI on August 13, 2010, 08:34:24 pm
Bravo J.J.!!

You hit it right on.

The emotion just moved me. It's all that matters.

Actually when she saw your picture of Johnny, she said "Papa" and when she saw June said "Mama" (she's 2 1/2 and still refers to men as Papa and ladies as Mama) it was so cute.

All I could think was if I could have just as much happiness with my family as June & Johnny did...I'd be a rich man.

The thought never even crossed my mind where or how it was recorded.

Do you feel like sharing more stories and pictures of those sessions?
(perhaps a new thread or put some on you web site?)
I did see some video filmed outside the cottage. Did you film that?

It must've been magical...

Mario
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: rankus on August 13, 2010, 10:07:23 pm

This moved me to tears.

I second Mario's request for a thread on this JJ.  Other songs, pics, video... Anything that's online and can be linked to would be awesome.

This must have been a life-changing experience for you! Please share as much as you can.

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 13, 2010, 11:01:36 pm
MI wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 17:34

All I could think was if I could have just as much happiness with my family as June & Johnny did...I'd be a rich man.


Don't believe the movies!  They had their share of drama.  Some of it reads like a Nashvillian Shakespearian tragedy.  

Maybe over in WW I'll start a thread about it, or if one of you guys does, I'll tell some stories.  Some interesting technical difficulties I had to overcome, with the black faced ADATs being the least of my problems.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: MI on August 13, 2010, 11:51:54 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 23:01

MI wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 17:34

All I could think was if I could have just as much happiness with my family as June & Johnny did...I'd be a rich man.


Don't believe the movies!  They had their share of drama.  Some of it reads like a Nashvillian Shakespeare play.  

Maybe over in WW I'll start a thread about it, or if one of you guys does, I'll tell some stories.  Some interesting technical difficulties I had to overcome, with the black faced ADATs being the least of my problems.


This is true...like any family.

Well I figure you used a bunch of good mics and pres like API, Inward Connections, Neve...stuff like that makes ADAT's useable.

It would be interesting to have a look behind the scenes, how you got the call, what did you bring with you, setup, and most important what was is like working with real life legends.

So I'll post it in WW...

Mario
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Edward Vinatea on August 13, 2010, 11:54:28 pm
Fletcher wrote on Wed, 11 August 2010 19:29

I guess I'm fucked up, I thought it was interesting on a musical level... then again I like early "Mothers" stuff as well as Captain Beefheart.

I thought the percussion stuff didn't fill as much space as I would have thought it could, but what after seemed like an edit to another session the room sound changed and I liked the recording a hell of a lot better during the latter phases...



I actually heard all nine minutes of this piece with attention. There is no mediocrity in this music, especially if it's put in the right context. Perhaps it could turn out to be a section in a Rock Opera or a theatrical piece, who knows. Maybe some editing or rearrangement of both music and words for a suitable use along with other musical pieces. The sky is the limit. The idea is that there is something there and it has potential. This would never work on traditional pop music however, but again, there is a concept somewhere in there.

My problem is the mixing. The drums need to be bigger. More defined and with more impact. Starting with the kick, and also more snare, and certainly a more prominent bass guitar. For example: the left electric guitar at 7:08 is a bit too loud. It does sound good in some sections with (in my opinion) the correct level,  but for the most part, compression is needed to control amplitude. That's just another observation. However, if this is supposed to be a demo, then don't even pay attention to my comments.

Bottom line, Breathe, continue your musical journey regardless of what people say. I know I did.

Take care,

Edward.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Tom L on August 14, 2010, 01:45:35 am
J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 13 August 2010 14:48

It's technically not the best recording I've ever made, or technically the best mix, but it's the most emotional, and I'll always be proud that I captured THAT in the moment.


QFE

Captured quite magically
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 14, 2010, 02:30:38 am
Is it just me, or is this thread not working at pissing me off?
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Dale Francis on August 14, 2010, 07:00:41 am
J.J. Blair wrote on Sat, 14 August 2010 02:30

Is it just me, or is this thread not working at pissing me off?

I don't know about that ... your lawyer served me with a wit about no more bash the rich comments ... <G>  
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Fletcher on August 14, 2010, 08:36:50 am
So Dale... was he telling you jokes or poking ironic holes in statements you've made... or were you trying to type "writ" and failed miserably?

Enquiring minds want to know

[OK, this is degenerating to the point of no return... we either need to return this to the province of production concepts or I have to lock the thing or send it to the saloon].

Peace.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: bob ebeling on August 14, 2010, 09:59:35 am
I'll just toss in that 'Here, My Dear' is one of the most magical albums ever, definitely one of Marvin Gaye's top 3.  My favorite.  

How's that for steering the thread back on course?

Go listen to this record if you really want to know what the studio and a great singer can do.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on August 14, 2010, 11:18:55 am
Fletcher, you're turning this into Klaus' forum.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: bob ebeling on August 14, 2010, 12:00:03 pm
Sorry, was joking.  I started a thread over in whatever works for info about Marvin's studio, etc...

I've had about 5 interns that sound like breathe.  They last about 2 hours before their opinions start spouting. They are asked to leave.

It's tough to seperate the objective job from the material when you're an angry young man.  If you're interviewing an intern and he wants to list his favorite bands, you have a problem child.  

My best intern ever would never say a word about the bands he prefered, nor any band.  Tom Gloady.  He partly engineered the last Sigur Ros record.  Then there were the opinionated, didn't make it long as intern guys, who went out and formed bands.  
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Dale Francis on August 14, 2010, 12:13:01 pm
Fletcher wrote on Sat, 14 August 2010 08:36

So Dale... was he telling you jokes or poking ironic holes in statements you've made... or were you trying to type "writ" and failed miserably?

Enquiring minds want to know

[OK, this is degenerating to the point of no return... we either need to return this to the province of production concepts or I have to lock the thing or send it to the saloon].

Peace.


I am not allowed to answer that as it might piss off the moderator ... <G>
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on December 29, 2010, 10:42:42 am
For Nick Sevilla!!!   It actually sounds good, I really like the song!!  This was before he brickwalled everything like the other track!!!  Still, BEST THREAD EVER!!
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: breathe on December 30, 2010, 06:09:44 am
This thread should have been deleted a long time ago.  I have no more beef with J.J., or interest in starting fights with people here in general.

Nicholas



Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: seedyunderbelly.com on December 30, 2010, 11:33:15 am
This thread should have been "edited-deleted"  or "differently-titled" before it was posted____  Not thrown out and around and then swept up by the adults..

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Nick Sevilla on December 30, 2010, 03:52:38 pm
Bubba Kron wrote on Wed, 29 December 2010 07:42

For Nick Sevilla!!!   It actually sounds good, I really like the song!!  This was before he brickwalled everything like the other track!!!  Still, BEST THREAD EVER!!


Hi Bubba.

It was not me, making that song post.

breathe(r) is also named nicolas.

Although I suspect that is the only thing we might have in common.

Thoroughly confused,

Nick Sevilla
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on December 30, 2010, 04:04:53 pm
I was just responding to your posts saying you wanted to hear some of breathe's work, thats why I bumped the thread.  Sorry if I did in a confusing manner!!

Cheers

Nick Sevilla wrote on Thu, 30 December 2010 12:52

Bubba Kron wrote on Wed, 29 December 2010 07:42

For Nick Sevilla!!!   It actually sounds good, I really like the song!!  This was before he brickwalled everything like the other track!!!  Still, BEST THREAD EVER!!


Hi Bubba.

It was not me, making that song post.

breathe(r) is also named nicolas.

Although I suspect that is the only thing we might have in common.

Thoroughly confused,

Nick Sevilla

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: plughead on December 31, 2010, 09:15:17 am
itsapleasure wrote on Thu, 12 August 2010 20:55

I would probably go as far to say that the last 25 years of popular music were questionable, but really we're talking about POP music and we're talking about the music, not the engineering right?

Maybe I'm missing something...

Last I checked big Nick, is that you're an up and coming engineer.  Engineering (AFAIC) is about the CRAFT and the SCIENCE first.  Your beef with most folks around here seems to be more about taste which to me is kinda missing the point... I let that kinda stuff get to me in my twenties (as a musician)  and it prevented me from learning a shit-ton about music and life.  

I'm not going to talk shit about your record (i'm into shit far more out-there than that), but it sounds to me like you need to spend some time learning about the music making process (not just the engineering) in order for your production to grow.  Once you have a firm grasp on the whole deal, maybe people will appreciate your angle (which I think isn't all that bad IMO).  

I'm all for opinions, and I think yours are totally fine, just make sure you can back it up!




agreed.

Tho this thread might've turned out differently if the title was less confrontational, I think the music posted by Breathe is as valid as any non-"popular" recording. It reminds me of a variety of many art-rock bands - 'good' or 'bad' lies strictly on your personal taste, and we all know there is no accounting for taste in music and it's fans.

I know Nicholas invited debate at the onset of this thread, and even if he retracted his initial stance towards JJ, it seems inviting mayhem is his manner. That is fine, tho as mentioned by others, might not be the best approach to gain popularity with what you choose to record and how to present it - esp. in a forum of engineers...

A modicum of respect and willingness to learn often seems to be lost in the current crop of AE's: oh well, tough titty - it's Fletcher's forum, and he can run the show how he wishes. Suffice to say, I extend my appreciation of non-commercial music with what Nicholas chooses to record, but his lack of tact and inability to 'grow' when amongst such esteemed company often has me scratch my head. I sure miss seeing that dancing video tho - shame it's been pulled from YouTube - I wonder why?!?

Happy Holidays, and a healthy, safe and prosperous New Year to all!

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: rankus on December 31, 2010, 03:43:33 pm

Actually I think Nicholas has "grown" considerably in the time he has been here... both in his conduct and his recording.  I'm quite proud of this forum for being tolerant and "going out of it's way" to pass along wisdom to ALL comers.

Keep it up Nicholas!  (and forum)

Happy New Year!

Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: J.J. Blair on January 04, 2011, 12:34:32 pm
breathe wrote on Thu, 30 December 2010 03:09

This thread should have been deleted a long time ago.  I have no more beef with J.J., or interest in starting fights with people here in general.

Nicholas







Cheers!  Happy new year.  
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Nizzle on January 04, 2011, 01:10:08 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 09:34

breathe wrote on Thu, 30 December 2010 03:09

This thread should have been deleted a long time ago.  I have no more beef with J.J., or interest in starting fights with people here in general.

Nicholas







Cheers!  Happy new year.  




Smile
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Nick Sevilla on January 05, 2011, 11:44:09 am
Bubba Kron wrote on Thu, 30 December 2010 13:04

I was just responding to your posts saying you wanted to hear some of breathe's work, thats why I bumped the thread.  Sorry if I did in a confusing manner!!

Cheers


Hi Bubba,

I did listen to that one, and then went back to listen to the previous posted tune, the one my son abhorred.

There is an improvement in that I can make out what is going on better, between the last piece, and this latest one.

Perhaps Nicholas is learning something.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: MagnetoSound on January 05, 2011, 06:12:02 pm

Bloody hell ...


Look, I came in here for a good argument!


So far, there's been a track from Nicholas that nobody really likes or dislikes, a half-arsed row about Rod Stewart which we can't even read, some tears and nice anecdotes about Johnny Cash and now everybody's friends again!


Apparently, Nicholas has mellowed out because he's learned something and JJ's mellowed because he's over 40 and loves his missis.


This is bullshit!  Frown



Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Jason Poff on January 05, 2011, 07:01:09 pm
HA!
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on January 05, 2011, 08:11:30 pm
You guys are too much!!!  Too funny!!!!
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on January 05, 2011, 08:46:59 pm
Yeah but, at least we got through a whole thread with out some one using the word "paradigm"!!!   That is amazing!!!!!

MagnetoSound wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 15:12


Bloody hell ...


Look, I came in here for a good argument!


So far, there's been a track from Nicholas that nobody really likes or dislikes, a half-arsed row about Rod Stewart which we can't even read, some tears and nice anecdotes about Johnny Cash and now everybody's friends again!


Apparently, Nicholas has mellowed out because he's learned something and JJ's mellowed because he's over 40 and loves his missis.


This is bullshit!  Frown





Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: compasspnt on January 06, 2011, 06:13:03 pm
Bubba, does the exclamation point key on your computer stick?????
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on January 06, 2011, 10:34:31 pm
You are not the first to bring this up!!!  My exclamation points are kind of like Pat Metheney- at first it seems annoying and weird, but after a while you actually begin to like it, then eventually you begin to LOVE it!!!

Honestly, Ive always had a little bit of a stutter- thats where my name comes from (b-b-b-bryan got shortened to Bubba.)  So maybe i'm compensating for that sub-conciously, I cant really explain it.   But will do my best to contain the madness!!  

There is a master plan here, and yes I just pulled the speech impedement card!!!     Wink  


compasspnt wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 15:13

Bubba, does the exclamation point key on your computer stick?????


Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Fletcher on January 09, 2011, 04:30:04 pm
Bubba Kron wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 22:34

You are not the first to bring this up!!!  My exclamation points are kind of like Pat Metheney- at first it seems annoying and weird, but after a while you actually begin to like it, then eventually you begin to LOVE it!!!


You're only 1/2 right.  I've had 25 - 30 years to find Pat Metheney's music not "annoying"... hasn't happened quite yet.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: bigbone on January 09, 2011, 07:51:24 pm
Fletcher wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 16:30



You're only 1/2 right.  I've had 25 - 30 years to find Pat Metheney's music not "annoying"... hasn't happened quite yet.



Maybe one day you will get it, till then it's your lost.
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: wwittman on January 09, 2011, 11:33:44 pm
Fletcher wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 16:30

Bubba Kron wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 22:34

You are not the first to bring this up!!!  My exclamation points are kind of like Pat Metheney- at first it seems annoying and weird, but after a while you actually begin to like it, then eventually you begin to LOVE it!!!


You're only 1/2 right.  I've had 25 - 30 years to find Pat Metheney's music not "annoying"... hasn't happened quite yet.




huzzah
he's 'on ignore'
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Nizzle on January 10, 2011, 12:19:24 am
wwittman wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 20:33

Fletcher wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 16:30

Bubba Kron wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 22:34

You are not the first to bring this up!!!  My exclamation points are kind of like Pat Metheney- at first it seems annoying and weird, but after a while you actually begin to like it, then eventually you begin to LOVE it!!!


You're only 1/2 right.  I've had 25 - 30 years to find Pat Metheney's music not "annoying"... hasn't happened quite yet.




huzzah
he's 'on ignore'


Still Life (talking) changed my life. Right around the time I stopped trying to be cool. After that big change in my life, it was only a matter of time before I starting digging The Royal Scam, then The Pixies, The Dead and Mingus...never looked back.

btw -it's  "Metheny". Next time - you can use that extra "e" to avoid misspelling "Zeppelin".

I kid, I kid...

-t
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on January 10, 2011, 12:31:49 am
Ive seen him live a bunch of times on mushrooms, thats definitely a good time. I met him once, him and Lyle Mays are really great guys. I do get tired of it and go in and out of phases, but I'm like that will all styles of music.   If its a persons bag or not, you really cant deny the complexities of his rhythm and solos, Jaco sure thought he was good enough to jam with!!

I do love hard/dark music too!!


I'm predicting the Fletcher/Metheny collaboration album of 2016 which will spark the hard/dark jazz revolution!!    Bikers and yuppies will join forces for a whole new Metal Jazz movement!! It could happen!!Smile
Title: Re: This will piss off J.J. Blair so much.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on January 10, 2011, 01:04:34 am
Great Album!!  You gotta hear the Pat Metheny Trio version of "so it may secretly begin"!!!  This one on you youtube is pretty good, but the live album version is better!!!  Such hard emotion!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slx-q655pmk








Nizzle wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 21:19

wwittman wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 20:33

Fletcher wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 16:30

Bubba Kron wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 22:34

You are not the first to bring this up!!!  My exclamation points are kind of like Pat Metheney- at first it seems annoying and weird, but after a while you actually begin to like it, then eventually you begin to LOVE it!!!


You're only 1/2 right.  I've had 25 - 30 years to find Pat Metheney's music not "annoying"... hasn't happened quite yet.




huzzah
he's 'on ignore'


Still Life (talking) changed my life. Right around the time I stopped trying to be cool. After that big change in my life, it was only a matter of time before I starting digging The Royal Scam, then The Pixies, The Dead and Mingus...never looked back.

btw -it's  "Metheny". Next time - you can use that extra "e" to avoid misspelling "Zeppelin".

I kid, I kid...

-t