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Title: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: j.hall on April 27, 2004, 05:49:12 pm
make a full length record

6 full days is my average......now that i mix mainly, i get about 2 days, which i can sometimes stretch into 4 half days which feels more productive to me, and allows more time to recall and second guess yourself.  which is frustrating, but typically good.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Fibes on April 27, 2004, 05:52:49 pm
 I average about 4 hours per song for the mix stage so we're in the same ballpark mix wise. OTOH I have projects that take years to complete that in all reality add up to one solid month of tracking and mixing. The there's my bands album, aaahhhhh!

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Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: spankenstein on April 28, 2004, 12:30:49 am
I did a punk band recently that tracked 14 songs in a day and half! I remember when my bands could do that. Short sweet and sloppy. Definitely not average. I do mostly 3-4 song demos and it's usally 1 - 2 days tracking and 6 - 10 hours mixing.

I'd like to get to the point where I'm doing larger projects but being that it's a hobby (money pit) what I can squeeze into a weekend and a couple weekdays after work is about it.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: drumsound on April 28, 2004, 01:17:04 am
It varies so much for me it's ridiculous.  I've done a ton of songs in a weekend, or two that stretch out for three years.  The record I'm mixing I'm currently billing 90 hours for mixing alone.  We've got one song to re-mix and I'm not charging them for a mono acoustic song I mixed tonight.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Bo on April 28, 2004, 03:04:27 pm
6-10 days over stretches of weeks.  it's sad really.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: j.hall on April 28, 2004, 03:48:57 pm
what some of you need to specify is when you say, "stretches out of 2 years"

what does that mean???......two half days a year, full time 6 days a week for 2 years?

i've been working on my own record for about 4 years.  when it's all over and done

i'll probably have 3 months of total work in the thing.

Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: drumsound on April 28, 2004, 05:26:11 pm
Like your record.  Worked on sporadicaly over a long time.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: asylumdigital on May 03, 2004, 02:31:48 pm
most of our clients don't have the budget to do it all at once...
it is kinda stretched out over time and "paydays"

Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Eddie Matthews on May 03, 2004, 03:38:15 pm
My current client (4-piece band) has budgeted 24 studio hours to do their album (track, mix and "finalize" -- I hesitate to use the term "master" here).  

We will probably get all the tracking done in the alotted time (we're down to the last of the guitar and vocal overdubs), but that's about it.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: j.hall on May 03, 2004, 05:14:11 pm
24 hours????????????

i can do 2 songs in that time.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Patheticus on May 03, 2004, 05:31:29 pm
My average is about 100 hours on a good 10 song record.

This winter I got the liberty of spending about 40 hours producing two songs for a 6 piece group. No autotune, minimal drum edits... that was probably the most fun I've ever had creating music.
Title: Not long enough.
Post by: floodstage on May 03, 2004, 07:14:07 pm
About 80 hours for a 10 song project for tracking, mixing, and as Delta 9 says, finalizing.  That's for a band that cares about the final product.

I've done 5 song demos start to finish in 3 hours but I can't say I'm particularly proud of the results.
Title: Re: Not long enough.
Post by: ericswan on May 04, 2004, 01:13:02 am
It seems there is never enought time, but I would say I average around 80-100 hours of billed studio time for a typical band project if its done right. I find I spend between 2-4 hours per song mixing.

Acoustic singer/songwriter stuff goes faster; I just did a 13 song project in a little over 20 hours and also did a bluegrass cd in 15 hours total including the "mastering".
Title: Re: Not long enough.
Post by: beau on May 05, 2004, 05:31:36 am
full lengths, (10-14 songs)   i usually like to have 3-6 weeks to track.   probably another week to mix(recalls included)

Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Eddie Matthews on May 05, 2004, 09:54:33 am
j.hall wrote on Mon, 03 May 2004 16:14

24 hours????????????

i can do 2 songs in that time.


We often joke about installing a drive-thru.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Jules on May 05, 2004, 09:42:18 pm
2 or 3 or 4 x 10 hour days per song  

Start to finish

load in

to walking out with a CD each

20 /30 / 40 hours per song

I charge per song

I take as long as I want / feel / it takes

I dont let musicians / managers / labels set session times or 'days' needed - they dont know.

I am always the producer

Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: redelephant on May 06, 2004, 02:56:44 am
I have recently limited my session times to 6 hours max, so doing a 3-4 song demo usually takes 2-3 days to track and a day or two to mix. That all depends on the talent. If the drummer sucks then it generally takes longer to get good tones and do more drum edits. Same goes with vocals and guitars.

Does anyone else find that after 6 hours you and the band are just burnt? I think that that decision is probably the best I've made in my short production career. 6 hour sessions max.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: j.hall on May 06, 2004, 09:30:47 am
6 hour sessions only exist for me in the form of mix sessions.

no way could i convice a band, nor would i want to, to work a 6 hour tracking day.

we typically go 10 to 12 hours a day.  and honestly, it doesn't seem that bad to me.  if we are on schedule, we take a lunch break and dinner break outside of the studio.  gets every one out, and helps refresh you.
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Fibes on May 06, 2004, 09:52:06 am
There aren't any hard and fast rules as per session times at my joint. I don't like to go past 6 hours mixing, it just gets too fuzzy upstairs.
The punque band I'm mixing currently gets about 3 hours and I'm ready to kill myself. I'd love to knock it out and get it over with but getting the CB-75 kit to sound good and trying to get a band that isn't playing together at all to sound like a band is so disheartening three hours is all i can take. Tyis is where ITB computer recall comes in handy, delaying the inevitable...
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: Conner on May 11, 2004, 11:49:46 am
My last record(10 tracks)basic tracks were recorded in 7 days
3 days drums, bass rhythm guitars, and piano(the White House-Nashville).
4 days of overdubs and vox(home studio/Nashville).
3 month break, 3 days of recutting vox, and guitars, etc(home studio/Nashville).
8 month break, 21 days(approx.) mixing (the Gate-Miami).

Today will be our final day of mixing(Charles Dye), Thursday we master with Mike Fuller. This will be the pinnacle of my first project. What a great feeling that will be.
-Conner
Title: Re: how long do you typically get to....
Post by: weihfool on May 11, 2004, 06:01:29 pm
I used to do the charge-per-song thing until I started getting taken advantage of by the bands.  Now, I charge hourly, so it winds up taking around 30 hours for a 4 or 5 song project.  Mixing is around 4 to 5 hours per song, if no otto-tuning is necessary, or, worse yet, REQUESTED by the band.  I guess that would really count more as editing anyway.