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Title: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: grantis on May 31, 2007, 02:16:54 am
Anybody ever used this microphone?

I just demo-ed one, and IMO, it sounds AWFUL.  Cheap sounding low end, honky mids, absent high end.  I'd heard good things about it too......
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: scottoliphant on May 31, 2007, 08:56:40 am
a friend of mine had an older e200, recording an entire singer songwriter thing straight to disk, i thought it sounded great. not sure if the newer cad mics are the same quality? or maybe it just worked well for his gig
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: j.hall on May 31, 2007, 10:39:41 am
the E-100's are amazing for tom mics, rooms, bass, acoustic git, and some vocals
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: jimmyjazz on May 31, 2007, 10:42:53 am
I think the E-100 is quite a bit more useful than the E-200.  I have an E-300 which has seen a fair amount of lead vocal duty.  It's not a good fit for everyone, but on the right singer, it works great.  (This is a familiar story, no?)
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: j.hall on May 31, 2007, 10:44:42 am
jimmyjazz wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 09:42

but on the right singer, it works great.  (This is a familiar story, no?)


nope.  Shure SM-7 works on every one i've put on it.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: grantis on May 31, 2007, 11:13:15 am
maybe it just didn't work on my vocal, and perhaps it would sound great on somebody else..... but for about the same money, i could get an SM-7.....i've heard those work on EVERYBODY.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: M Carter on May 31, 2007, 01:16:58 pm
And funny, I've had an RE20 work more often than an SM7....

gofigure.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: NelsonL on May 31, 2007, 03:48:18 pm
I've been neglecting my E-100, gonna have to trot that sucker out.

We use an RE-20 on vox all the time. I'm thinking of grabbing a PR-40 soon too.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: j.hall on May 31, 2007, 04:06:25 pm
M Carter wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 12:16

And funny, I've had an RE20 work more often than an SM7....

gofigure.



well, we are talking about two mics built specifically for the capture of the human voice.

which ever you prefer, the application is the same.

don't get me wrong, i totally dig seeing a big U-47 in front of a singer, i just got tired of lining up 3 - 6 mics to hear which one would work best.  the  SM-7 just works every time i've tried it.  in the last 2 years, i've stopped reaching for anything else.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: M Carter on May 31, 2007, 04:25:04 pm
That's what I was getting at.  It's crazy how the same tool works so differently in someone else's hands.

rattleyour -

the pr-40 is great.  I've tried it on vocals, kick, and bass, sounded great on all of them.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: pg666 on May 31, 2007, 04:36:28 pm
Quote:

the SM-7 just works every time i've tried it. in the last 2 years, i've stopped reaching for anything else.


surprised you haven't tried the M88, but i agree the sm7 is great.

i sang on a record with 4 songs through a $6,000 josephson mic and 4 songs with an M88. the josephson needed some de-essing and eq, the M88 needed nothing.

go figure.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: Iain Graham on May 31, 2007, 04:57:56 pm
M88 is great. Superb in a bass drum too, but the diaphragms don't take it too well for a long time.

I've never liked an RE-20 on anything, but it's possible the one I have access to is knackered and that's why I don't like it. A couple of the other techs use it fairly often, just not my thing.

The one time I used an SM-7 I liked it. Through a chandler channel strip if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: NelsonL on May 31, 2007, 05:53:34 pm
M Carter wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 13:25

That's what I was getting at.  It's crazy how the same tool works so differently in someone else's hands.

rattleyour -

the pr-40 is great.  I've tried it on vocals, kick, and bass, sounded great on all of them.


Indeed, one of our guys tends to reach for his U-87 every time on vox-- doesn't always stick with it but that's his first shot.

Personally, I usually prefer our iFet7-- but homeboy kinda avoids it. Diff'nt Strokes...

I've recorded some lovely vox with a KM-84, not one you hear about much for singing.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: grantis on May 31, 2007, 06:33:37 pm
yeah, the engineer (who shall remain nameless.....) who did my band's dying record used an M88 on the snare.  MOST BEAUTIFUL THING I'VE EVER HEARD.  ok, perhaps an exageration, but it worked really well.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: M Carter on May 31, 2007, 11:03:11 pm
Yeah, the M88's are great for snares, kicks, toms, etc.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: j.hall on June 01, 2007, 11:38:06 am
grant richard wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 17:33

yeah, the engineer (who shall remain nameless.....) who did my band's dying record used an M88 on the snare.  MOST BEAUTIFUL THING I'VE EVER HEARD.  ok, perhaps an exageration, but it worked really well.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

nice!!!!
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: malice on June 01, 2007, 05:29:00 pm
j.hall wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 22:06

M Carter wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 12:16

And funny, I've had an RE20 work more often than an SM7....

gofigure.



well, we are talking about two mics built specifically for the capture of the human voice.


I am sure you realised by now that it is the case for most of the kik drum mikes such as D12, D25, RE20, M88, MD421,

The less popular kik drum mikes were NOT designed for vocals

like : the D112, the Beta 52 etc ...


Quote:

don't get me wrong, i totally dig seeing a big U-47 in front of a singer, i just got tired of lining up 3 - 6 mics to hear which one would work best. the SM-7 just works every time i've tried it. in the last 2 years, i've stopped reaching for anything else.



No offense, but you must be recording the same kinda music every fucking day the past two years. Beacause as much as I like the SM-7, I couldn't imagine not "reaching for anything else" for two years for vocal recordings  ...    Shocked

malice
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: rankus on June 01, 2007, 05:51:54 pm


LOL , different strokes...

I put up my SM7 for just about every vocal tracking session (shootout), and haven't ever used it on a recording yet.

Used it on snare a few times...

Got a female punker doing scratch tracks tonight,.. I think I will try out the 7 in honor of this thread.

Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: starscream2010 on June 01, 2007, 10:47:13 pm
I own an older pair of E-200's (can't speak for the new ones) and though I haven't used them in a while... they work on some vocalists, some not... just like anything else.

IMHO, I think that they beat out most chinese ldc's that I've heard in pretty much any application. I now have a pair of 4033's so, I no longer have a use for the CAD's. Hope this helps some.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: grantis on June 01, 2007, 11:10:49 pm
yeah, most of the opinions i'm hearing are saying that the old ones were far superior to the newer ones.  i guess CAD used a cheaper capsule in the new ones.  
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: Andy Peters on June 02, 2007, 04:33:50 pm
grant richard wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 23:16

Anybody ever used this microphone?

I just demo-ed one, and IMO, it sounds AWFUL.  Cheap sounding low end, honky mids, absent high end.  I'd heard good things about it too......


I have a pair of E-100s that are my go-to mics for guitar amps.  And ages ago, when I recorded a band I was in, we auditioned a handful of the Usual Suspect LDCs for vocals and the E-200 was our choice.

The trick with these CADs is that they have a pair of 9V NiCd batteries that actually power the electronics.  The phantom power trickle-charges the batteries.

NiCds don't have infinite recharge cycles so at some point (after several years, in my case) the batteries won't be fully charged, which of course affects everything.  Hit the local Radio Shack for replacements, install the batteries, leave the mic plugged in to a phantom power source overnight (with the power switch OFF) and you'll be good to go.

It's possible, then, that the batteries in the mic you demoed were either on their last legs or not fully charged to start with.  I recall that the data sheet for the mics said to charge them before initial use, and your demo mics might not have been charged.

-a

PS: my E-100s are the original, with the goofy mic-stand attachment, not the new spider shock-mount thing.
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: grantis on June 02, 2007, 05:35:27 pm
Quote:

It's possible, then, that the batteries in the mic you demoed were either on their last legs or not fully charged to start with. I recall that the data sheet for the mics said to charge them before initial use, and your demo mics might not have been charged.



Yup they are dead as a doornail.....they don't even make the meter move on the battery tester.....charging as we speak......hope that helps.  thanks a lot!
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: Iain Graham on June 02, 2007, 08:54:56 pm
rtfm?  Razz  Laughing
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: Hallams on June 03, 2007, 10:37:18 pm
Another thing i found about the E-200 is they have a narrow sweet spot so if the singer likes moving around a bit, it can be a problem. Of course someone could come up with a nifty chineese manufactured extention to the boom stand that would clamp the singers head in a nice focused position....
Title: Re: CAD Equitek E-200
Post by: Iain Graham on June 04, 2007, 12:26:54 am
I've often thought of creating such a device, but more for inexperienced singers who won't stay on axis while I'm trying to mix wedges for them.

They then comlain when it either isn't loud enough or feeding back.

I've wondered about some piano or cheese wire attached to it and looped around their bollocks. i t should certanly be an attachment you can add for repeat offenders.  Laughing