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Title: IMP12 trash thread
Post by: j.hall on May 30, 2007, 02:49:46 pm
grab the tracks, and use this thread to discuss them and the mixes.

the song is from my band, The Secret Club.  i wrote it for my dad as a christmas present and realized it would open our record really well.

it was tracked on a 1" 16track, transfered to 2" for mixing, then into PT when i realized the 2" reel it was on was binding up.

tracked in a living room with total crap gear.

if you have the secret club record no worries, i just remixed the song, so you still don't know what my mix sounds like.

ENJOY!!
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on May 30, 2007, 03:33:18 pm
j.hall wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 13:49

grab the tracks, and use this thread to discuss them and the mixes.

the song is from my band, The Secret Club.  i wrote it for my dad as a christmas present and realized it would open our record really well.

it was tracked on a 1" 16track, transfered to 2" for mixing, then into PT when i realized the 2" reel it was on was binding up.

tracked in a living room with total crap gear.

if you have the secret club record no worries, i just remixed the song, so you still don't know what my mix sounds like.

ENJOY!!

DEADLINE?
EDIT: Only one question. Does absense of tase is a taste?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Tom C on May 30, 2007, 06:06:17 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 21:33


EDIT: Only one question. Does absense of tase is a taste?



Won't have a chance to listen to the song till Sunday, but either
there's a new word I don't know of or you're not what I'd call
very nice here.

Tom
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: dconstruction on May 30, 2007, 06:39:54 pm
Vlad runs all his posts through MATLAB.  I'm afraid some of the niceties get filtered out - through convolution of course.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on May 30, 2007, 08:19:20 pm
24 bit 48k wav files BTW.  sorry forgot to mention that.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on May 31, 2007, 01:03:40 am
Yes i figured out this time:)))))))))))))))) Laughing
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Tom C on May 31, 2007, 04:32:13 am
dconstruction wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 00:39

Vlad runs all his posts through MATLAB.  I'm afraid some of the niceties get filtered out - through convolution of course.

Laughing
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on May 31, 2007, 07:49:37 am
Tom C wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 03:32

dconstruction wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 00:39

Vlad runs all his posts through MATLAB.  I'm afraid some of the niceties get filtered out - through convolution of course.

Laughing

Good notice  Very Happy

I hope you mixes will sound also as nice as nice guys you are:)
Or at lest there will be nice comments:) so be happy anyway.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Careful Collapse on May 31, 2007, 09:52:08 am
I've only done IMP11 and now this one; are distorted vocals really this common?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on May 31, 2007, 10:38:28 am
what is distorted?  this session is so old i can't recall much of it.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: chromatics on May 31, 2007, 02:00:06 pm
I've got a bit of time on my hands and was looking forward to IMP12 but this track...man...

..what is it 41 bpm? Isn't that tecnically a dirge?

I think you need to pick something a little more exciting if you're going to get a free mix out of me  Razz

Nothing personal, I'm not hating on the song. It jus' don't float my boat.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on May 31, 2007, 03:25:41 pm
chromatics wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 13:00

I've got a bit of time on my hands and was looking forward to IMP12 but this track...man...

..what is it 41 bpm? Isn't that tecnically a dirge?

I think you need to pick something a little more exciting if you're going to get a free mix out of me  Razz

Nothing personal, I'm not hating on the song. It jus' don't float my boat.



This song don't work, i have totally rearranged it.
I propose to remove rule for not adding parts for this IMP.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: NelsonL on May 31, 2007, 03:43:24 pm
These negative posts are lame-- not to mention really tactless.

If you can't mix a song you don't like, and do it well, then you're not much of an engineer.

Less noise, more signal please.

Liam Nelson
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on May 31, 2007, 03:54:40 pm
chromatics wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 13:00

I've got a bit of time on my hands and was looking forward to IMP12 but this track...man...

..what is it 41 bpm? Isn't that tecnically a dirge?

I think you need to pick something a little more exciting if you're going to get a free mix out of me  Razz

Nothing personal, I'm not hating on the song. It jus' don't float my boat.




then go start your own forum, and IMP, and you can pick all the up-tempo top 40 songs you want.

i'll stick to attempting to teach those wo want to be taught.

move along........
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on May 31, 2007, 04:02:33 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 14:25


This song don't work, i have totally rearranged it.
I propose to remove rule for not adding parts for this IMP.



i'll tell you what doesn't work.  all your trash talk on my forum.  i've let it slide for a while calling it a "language barrier" but i've had enough.

you haven't followed the rules of IMP the last two times, and when i've called you out on it, you just ignore me.

i'm far too busy to put up with any of this, get it under control or i'll do so for you.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: el duderino on May 31, 2007, 04:56:14 pm
sometimes as a mix engineer you mix a lot of stuff you dont like.

thats the downside of mixing for a living. the upside is, you're mixing for a living.

these IMP's are meant to teach people, to be a learning experience for those trying to improve their skills. if you dont like it dont do it.

now, how about we all have a beer and get to work instead of whining like a little fucking kid.  Very Happy

i for one can't wait to hear it and have at it. i havent had time to do these in a looong time. unfortunately i'll have to do it in my temporary space at my new house. time to find those peaks and nulls!
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Tom C on May 31, 2007, 05:48:22 pm
j.hall wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 22:02

Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 14:25


This song don't work, i have totally rearranged it.
I propose to remove rule for not adding parts for this IMP.



i'll tell you what doesn't work.  all your trash talk on my forum.  i've let it slide for a while calling it a "language barrier" but i've had enough.

you haven't followed the rules of IMP the last two times, and when i've called you out on it, you just ignore me.

i'm far too busy to put up with any of this, get it under control or i'll do so for you.



I thought it was the language barrier, too, until I noticed that this guy has just an
enormous talent in making friends at PSW (read from there on till the end of the thread.

Tom
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: scottoliphant on May 31, 2007, 06:13:29 pm
i don't get it either (by it i am referring to the negative comments not the track). if a client walks in, you should be able to mix it eh? mixing something outside your comfort zone should just show your chops, or reveal your weaknesses. I personally like the tune. but, i'm in the indie rock forum for a reason i guess. what 1" did you use j? 15 or 30? i still fire up my mx70 for some rock stuff at the home studio (otherwise it's 2"). reminds me a bit of low. cool tune.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: ATOR on May 31, 2007, 06:20:46 pm
Long live the 'ignore all messages from this user' option, it has been serving me well.

I like the track, especially because it is so out of the ordinary. It pushes you to do things in another way instead of relying on experience. I'm gonna go for a Led Zeppelins When The Levee Breaks vs Debussys Sir
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Gabriel F on May 31, 2007, 07:27:55 pm
Please stop the negative feedback. We are about to ruin one of the greatest things on the internet.

The purpose of the IMPs is to learn new things and this song will push you really hard in that direction and try things you dont do very often.

Ator I love your zeppelin and debussy approach, thats the spirit.

J Hall please ignore those who doesnt aprreciate your efforts and dedication.
I will make my efforts to make this mix beautiful even for those who doesnt like it. I wonder what special purpose this IMP has.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Careful Collapse on May 31, 2007, 08:40:59 pm
j.hall wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 09:38

what is distorted?  this session is so old i can't recall much of it.


The lead vocal distorts in a number of places, unless I'm just hearing things.  I haven't listened to the female vox enough to see if those do though.  

Anyway it's an unorthodox song, I always thought these were more fun to mix really.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Greg Dixon on May 31, 2007, 08:54:45 pm
I agree. These IMPs are great. I don't know that any of the IMPs I've done have particularly inspired me, as far as the song choice or recording and that's great. I mainly mix stuff I've tracked and so it's always great to work with other people's tracks and the ways they approach things. Always a challenge not getting any direction from the 'client' too.

Personally I love variety in what I do. I'd get so bored if it all sounded the same. One week I'm doing folk, then a jazz trio, the next hard rock etc. It keeps things interesting and makes me a better engineer. If you can only mix when the parameters are the way you like them it doesn't make you much of an engineer in my opinion.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: M Carter on May 31, 2007, 11:43:00 pm
Man.  I can't WAIT until you here the sweet clog dancing solo I just added in the bridge.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Greg Dixon on June 01, 2007, 12:42:26 am
M Carter wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 13:43

Man.  I can't WAIT until you here the sweet clog dancing solo I just added in the bridge.


I'm sure an exception to the rule could be made for that......
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Fibes on June 01, 2007, 12:48:11 am
I'm done.

Funny how distortion never held back those pesky Motown classics.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 01, 2007, 01:55:16 am
I would like to say sorry for those who i called freaks there.
I was in a too bad mood and quite dissapointed in mastering threads at that point.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: maxim on June 01, 2007, 06:20:12 am
i like the song

(but then i've liked all the songs so far even if they did make me crazy)
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: M Carter on June 01, 2007, 08:35:19 am
I think people are confusing the vocal 'distortion' with heavy compression.....

fwiw i dig the song.  kind of an 'explosions in the sky' vibe, except with vox.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Careful Collapse on June 01, 2007, 09:55:11 am
M Carter wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 07:35

I think people are confusing the vocal 'distortion' with heavy compression.....


No, it's certainly distortion.  And it's only really distracting (for me) in the first few lyrics.

Can I ask what kind of rooms these were recorded in?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: scottoliphant on June 01, 2007, 10:15:18 am
Quote:

tracked in a living room with total crap gear.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Careful Collapse on June 01, 2007, 10:23:04 am
scottoliphant wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 09:15

Quote:

tracked in a living room with total crap gear.



Christ

Sorry I never learned how to read
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Brian Lloyd on June 01, 2007, 10:31:06 am
So this is my first "OFFICIAL" IMP...and i have to say that although the song is not right up my alley...it has grown on me over the 100+ times ive listened to it. its totally different from what im used to and i love being challenged. all the IMP's ive done have been challenging and ive learned alot from them. thanks to J for putting this all together and i cant wait to hear everyones mix's. this is also the first track ive ever really taken things and mixed them all up. was never really an arranger...figured id always leave that to the writers.


Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: M Carter on June 01, 2007, 11:10:13 am
I've been wrong before, but sounds like heavy compression to me...
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on June 01, 2007, 11:36:07 am
the lead vocal is slightly distorted.  sounds like tape to me.  and like fibes said........motown baby.........

the purpose of this song should be obvious, ya'll are talking about it for three pages now.

to answer a few questions in more detail.

the vocals were cut in a bath room (no idea what mic) with a comforter hung over the shower bar to dampen the room down some.  everything else was done in a completely untreated living room.

the drums aren't really "left and right"  one of them is some crap dynamic mic about 3' back from a giant concert kick drum.  the other is about 4' above my head and a few feet off my right shoulder pointed at the snare.  the drum kit is a concert kick, snare and hi-hat, that's it.

organ is a hammond L-100, guitars are a 72 tele thin-line run to a 1929 "volu-tone" amp that i found at a garage sale.  sounds gorgeous.  i believe one of the guitars was DI'd through my evil twin for a different sound.  not sure though.

the upright was tracked here at Theta Rhythm about 3 years after the initial tracking.  i didn't dig the original upright and had it re-done.  i think i used a bunch of rubber bands to hold an earthworks mic in the bridge.

keyboard stuff is a moog mini and a sequential circuits 6-track, DI'd through the evil twin.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on June 01, 2007, 11:42:19 am
Brian Lloyd wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 09:31

 this is also the first track ive ever really taken things and mixed them all up. was never really an arranger...figured id always leave that to the writers.




OH SNAP!!!!

ar eyou saying i can't write a good song???????????

HAHAHAHAHA

chop it up!!!  whatever you think it needs.  it was cut to s click so chopping should be fairly simple.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: M Carter on June 01, 2007, 11:52:26 am
enh, tape compression, tape distortion, tomato, tomato....

the guitars sound great.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Fibes on June 01, 2007, 12:08:14 pm
j.hall wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 11:36

the drums aren't really "left and right"



Yeah, I got that from the second beat.

Stop talking about this stuff until it's reveal time, you are coloring the results.

As far as the whineyeasternblockhead who is complaining about the tracks; this is amazing stuff compared to what gets sent to me by "big city" guys. So, if this was a real world scenario and you complained like that someone would be just as quick to return the favor of pissing in your yard. A large part of professionalism is hiding ones contempt whether it's justified or not.

Unlike poker, everyone here has been dealt the same cards and the only real key to success lies within them.




Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Devin Knutson on June 01, 2007, 12:16:02 pm
M Carter wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 20:43

Man.  I can't WAIT until you here the sweet clog dancing solo I just added in the bridge.


Dammit!  That was MY idea!

I dunno...  hardly seems worth it, really.  I work on it all night, wake up, log on here, and see this.  Now I have to start all over.

Laughing  Laughing

Seriously though, I am really loving this, although I'm having some trouble getting the vox to sit up and bark like they mean it.

Also, I seem to hear tape saturation, not clipping.  Then again, I'm pretty much deaf anyway, so don't listen to me.  Smile

Nice track!  It breathes.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Brian Lloyd on June 01, 2007, 02:14:47 pm
...cant write a song...hell i cant even draw a straight line with a ruler! but give me a board with 1,000 knobs and ill work it like it was my job!....er...it IS my job...hahaha
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 01, 2007, 09:40:49 pm
Man I wish I could convert those RAR files. I purchased a converter, couldn't get it to work, contacted the auther of the program and his response was "that I didn't have enough experience with doing this type of thing" Well at least he's right about converting RAR files.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Fibes on June 01, 2007, 09:52:48 pm
I use "Unrar"

Dunno if it's PC.

Unrar X (mac) for a google search and yer golden.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 01, 2007, 10:03:07 pm
Fibes wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 18:52

I use "Unrar"

Dunno if it's PC.

Unrar X (mac) for a google search and yer golden.






Thats what I have ( UnRarX )  for MAC
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: garret on June 01, 2007, 10:33:19 pm
CHANCE wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 22:03

Fibes wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 18:52

I use "Unrar"

Dunno if it's PC.

Unrar X (mac) for a google search and yer golden.



Thats what I have ( UnRarX )  for MAC


Chance, can you explain what happens when you try to open up the RAR file?  Maybe we can help...

One thing to check is the file size of the IMP12 download.  Get Info on the file, and see if it is something like 211,427KB.  (that's about 210 Mb)

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: briefcasemanx on June 02, 2007, 06:26:31 am
I just used winRAR (PC).

I hear distortion, I thought it was tube. It kind of bothers me on the female vox, is anyone else hearing it on those? I don't have a problem with it on the male vox if it's there, I added more distortion.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Fibes on June 02, 2007, 09:35:26 am
briefcasemanx wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 06:26

I just used winRAR (PC).

It kind of bothers me on the female vox, is anyone else hearing it on those?


In solo or in the mix?


Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 02, 2007, 10:58:06 am
garret wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 19:33

CHANCE wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 22:03

Fibes wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 18:52

I use "Unrar"

Dunno if it's PC.

Unrar X (mac) for a google search and yer golden.



Thats what I have ( UnRarX )  for MAC


Chance, can you explain what happens when you try to open up the RAR file?  Maybe we can help...

One thing to check is the file size of the IMP12 download.  Get Info on the file, and see if it is something like 211,427KB.  (that's about 210 Mb)




When I select "extract" (password, test, browse, extract) I get a message saying "please select a file to extract" but the file I want to extract is there, but it is greyed out, and can't be selected.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: garret on June 02, 2007, 12:30:13 pm
CHANCE wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 10:58


When I select "extract" (password, test, browse, extract) I get a message saying "please select a file to extract" but the file I want to extract is there, but it is greyed out, and can't be selected.


Hmm... sounds to me like the RAR file is corrupt or incomplete, or maybe it doesn't have the right extension (RAR is originally a unix/pc utility so the extension might matter).  Can you check the file properties and see if everything looks right?

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 02, 2007, 12:43:33 pm
Sidechain - Roll up a newspaper and swat those vox on the nose.

This is my first time to do this. Incredible. How fun is this? I was so stoked that I downloaded it and finished it last night.

Just a word to the wise and my 2 cents:

Don't EVER badmouth a client... you won't be working very long. Do the best you can with what you have. The artist has put a lot into his work, make it sound better than he imagined it... always. You can lend suggestions if you think it's essential, but don't re-write a song... it's art (you don't have to like it). For God's sake, don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. That means: This is a great tool for everyone... don't spoil it and keep your negative opinions in your pocket.

This is the coolest thing that I've ever stumbled upon. I can't wait to hear the mixes!


ps. The male vox ARE pushed a little hard in a few places... who cares?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 02, 2007, 01:24:14 pm
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007

 Do the best you can with what you have. The artist has put a lot into his work, make it sound better than he imagined it... always. You can lend suggestions if you think it's essential, but don't re-write a song... it's art (you don't have to like it). For God's sake, don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. That means: This is a great tool for everyone... don't spoil it and keep your negative opinions in your pocket.


I agree with a statement what client should not be criticised on most cases. Usually client won't understand what you want to do.
However if you are doing music for AD or Movie it is completely different sittuation and creative input is always welcomed. It is a personal preference/ability to arrange or not arrange song during mixing.

>"but don't re-write a song" unfortunately i have already rewrote it:)
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 02, 2007, 02:10:44 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 2:24

Usually client won't understand what you want to do.

You can only make a product "your vision" and give your input if you are asked to. Otherwise, make a suggestion. If the client is not very responsive... then the client is always right.

It's better to make someone happy with what you think is just mediocre than to piss them off by forcing your interpretation on them. Anything can be done a million ways. Your "cool" may not be somebody else's cup of tea.

Quote:

However if you are doing music for AD or Movie it is completely different sittuation and creative input is always welcomed. It is a personal preference/ability to arrange or not arrange song during mixing.


Like I said... if you are asked to.

Quote:

but don't re-write a song" unfortunately i have already rewrote it:)


Hey... those are the rules. I can't wait to hear your interpretation.  Smile


Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 02, 2007, 02:27:46 pm
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:10


Hey... those are the rules. I can't wait to hear your interpretation.  Smile


I also would like to hear oppinions if J will allow me to upload it:( ?

There are still some guitars and vocals left from original track:)
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 02, 2007, 02:40:17 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:27


I also would like to hear oppinions if J will allow me to upload it:( ?

There are still some guitars and vocals left from original track:)


Oops! I spoke too soon.  Shocked

I'm only a first-timer here, but I thought you were just re-arranging, not re-recording... I didn't read that in the rules!  Confused

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 02, 2007, 02:44:33 pm
I just thought of something. Why don't I get asked for user name and password?
What I have been doing is dragging the "RAR" file to the desk top, and using UnRarX (for MAC) attempting to open. There is obviously something I am missing here and hope someone can open my eyes.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Devin Knutson on June 02, 2007, 02:47:42 pm
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 09:43

Sidechain - Roll up a newspaper and swat those vox on the nose.


Heh.  I tried that first.  They peed on the floor and ate my shoes.  With these particular specimens, I found that positive reinforcement and a nice massage worked much better.  Smile
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 02, 2007, 02:51:01 pm
sidechain wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:47

Heh.  I tried that first.  They peed on the floor and ate my shoes.  With these particular specimens, I found that positive reinforcement and a nice massage worked much better.  Smile



10-4!! LOL  Laughing
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: NelsonL on June 02, 2007, 03:44:59 pm
CHANCE wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 11:44

I just thought of something. Why don't I get asked for user name and password?
What I have been doing is dragging the "RAR" file to the desk top, and using UnRarX (for MAC) attempting to open. There is obviously something I am missing here and hope someone can open my eyes.


Hey Chance,

I'm gonna lay down all the help I can think of, hope I don't sound like a condescending A-hole, but I've been helping some very green folks learn OSX lately, so I try to be thorough.

When you get to the IMP server (link and password in the "IMP what it is thread,") hold down ctrl while you click on the IMP 12 link and then select "download linked file."

The file should take a bit to download (if drag and drop is near instantaneous then that's a bad sign) and when it does you may have to remove an erroneous .txt file extension before you can uncompress the files-- at least I have to do that, not sure why the added extension shows up.

In case that's unclear, I'm just saying to rename the file IMP12.rar, not IMP12.rar.txt --if that's what you wind up with.

To do this, you may have to go into the Finder prefs to show file extensions-- click anywhere on your desktop, then pull down Finder menu, then select preferences, click advanced, and then make sure "show all file extensions" is checked.

I happened to DL this one on my Dell this time and didn't have to do any of that stuff, on my iBook I always have to rename the file. I'm sure this can be fixed, but I really haven't looked into it, I don't rar much.

Hope that helps,

Liam
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Devin Knutson on June 02, 2007, 04:00:30 pm
Yeah, not being a mac guy myself, it still sounds to me like you are saving the shortcut and not the target itself.  You want to make sure that you are downloading "target" or "linked file" or whatever it is, and as noted, the resulting rar file on your system should be something around 210 megs.

HTH!

- Devin
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on June 02, 2007, 10:01:09 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:27


I also would like to hear oppinions if J will allow me to upload it:( ?

There are still some guitars and vocals left from original track:)


if you overdubed anything it's out.  this is plainly spelled out in the rules thread, and keeps coming up, from you if i remember correctly.

NO ADDING PARTS.  samples are fine, you picking up a guitar and recording new parts IS NOT!!!!!!!

i don't know how to make this any more clear.

editing the song for arrangement or tempos or whatever, is totally fine.  not using tracks you think aren't necessary, is fine too.

adding tracks.......NOT FINE.

next topic:

are you guys so hung up on the technical aspects of the individual tracks that you can't just mix a song?

seriously, lets get past the vocal distortion already.  your job as a mixer is to shut your yap and make a KILLER mix.

i thought by now i've gotten this point across.

i can't tell you how many times i've had to "settle" (resolve myself to) changing great sounding guitar tracks to match a horrible sounding drum kit.  the mix HAS to work no matter what.

if you can't get past the technical aspects of engineering and rely more heavily on your artistic instincts you simply aren't cut out for mixing.  tracking is probably you calling.........

i appreciate those who appreciate the IMP experience.  this is a learning thing, period.

i don't just shut my eyes and pick a song and hope some one learns somethig from it.

the songs are hand picked, they are diverse and they are generally more challenging then meets the eye.

i'm not pulling the plug on IMP, i believe in it and there is clear evidence to show it's working.

pull the plug on the complaining!
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 02, 2007, 10:23:11 pm
rattleyour wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 12:44

CHANCE wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 11:44

I just thought of something. Why don't I get asked for user name and password?
What I have been doing is dragging the "RAR" file to the desk top, and using UnRarX (for MAC) attempting to open. There is obviously something I am missing here and hope someone can open my eyes.


Hey Chance,

I'm gonna lay down all the help I can think of, hope I don't sound like a condescending A-hole, but I've been helping some very green folks learn OSX lately, so I try to be thorough.

When you get to the IMP server (link and password in the "IMP what it is thread,") hold down ctrl while you click on the IMP 12 link and then select "download linked file."

The file should take a bit to download (if drag and drop is near instantaneous then that's a bad sign) and when it does you may have to remove an erroneous .txt file extension before you can uncompress the files-- at least I have to do that, not sure why the added extension shows up.

In case that's unclear, I'm just saying to rename the file IMP12.rar, not IMP12.rar.txt --if that's what you wind up with.

To do this, you may have to go into the Finder prefs to show file extensions-- click anywhere on your desktop, then pull down Finder menu, then select preferences, click advanced, and then make sure "show all file extensions" is checked.

I happened to DL this one on my Dell this time and didn't have to do any of that stuff, on my iBook I always have to rename the file. I'm sure this can be fixed, but I really haven't looked into it, I don't rar much.

Hope that helps,

Liam




Thanks. That seemed to work. I got 12 tracks
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 02, 2007, 10:49:32 pm
J.

In the coolest way possible... kinda like Wooderson on Dazed and Confused, I say: "Man, I like your style."  Cool

by the way... you know the cool thing about high school girls? I keep getting older and they stay the same age!

This is not a suck-up... I just like no-bullshit people.


Sorry dudes. I HAD to make Wooderson my avatar after that one. Nothing ever fit until now.

Oh yeah. Party at the Moon Tower... spread the word! And if anyone's going with me to score those Aerosmith tickets, you better get your ass in gear.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 02:52:16 am
j.hall wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 21:01


if you overdubed anything it's out.


Oh jes i overdubbed drums (originally recorded on 2 tracks)...
I added parts and sampled existing Base, Guitar and Vox tracks.

As music market is using such approaches i don't see any reason for restricting people  be creative?

After i already spent time on this, i'm very pissed off.

Am i allowed to start separate discussion topic for my submission, if i cannot upload it to IMP server?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: grantis on June 03, 2007, 04:09:47 am
Quote:

Oh jes i overdubbed drums (originally recorded on 2 tracks)...
I added parts and sampled existing Base, Guitar and Vox tracks.

As music market is using such approaches i don't see any reason for restricting people be creative?

After i already spent time on this, i'm very pissed off.

Am i allowed to start separate discussion topic for my submission, if i cannot upload it to IMP server?




NOOOOOOOOO

Did you not just read J's post about the RULES???  They are meant to be followed.  Don't get all 'pissed off' because you spent time breaking the rules.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 04:20:26 am
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 03:09

Quote:

Oh jes i overdubbed drums (originally recorded on 2 tracks)...
I added parts and sampled existing Base, Guitar and Vox tracks.

As music market is using such approaches i don't see any reason for restricting people be creative?

After i already spent time on this, i'm very pissed off.

Am i allowed to start separate discussion topic for my submission, if i cannot upload it to IMP server?




NOOOOOOOOO

Did you not just read J's post about the RULES???  They are meant to be followed.  Don't get all 'pissed off' because you spent time breaking the rules.

Oh yes i understand, i ment to be following rules, but i was taken away by song creativeness and possibilities what it gave me and i forgot to follow no re-record rule:( Does everybody think i shouldn't share result, or this is just a single oppinion?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: grantis on June 03, 2007, 04:48:58 am
the objective is to make a great mix WITHOUT overdubbing anything.  if you want to spread your creative musical wings, you're in the wrong forum.

don't get me wrong, i WANT to hear your mix, just WITHOUT the overdubs.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 05:29:46 am
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 03:48

the objective is to make a great mix WITHOUT overdubbing anything.  if you want to spread your creative musical wings, you're in the wrong forum.

don't get me wrong, i WANT to hear your mix, just WITHOUT the overdubs.

Thank you Mr. Richard i just want to hear another oppinions.
And my question was also about separate thread for this, i supose i can do so?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Greg Dixon on June 03, 2007, 07:57:00 am
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:29

grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 03:48

the objective is to make a great mix WITHOUT overdubbing anything.  if you want to spread your creative musical wings, you're in the wrong forum.

don't get me wrong, i WANT to hear your mix, just WITHOUT the overdubs.

Thank you Mr. Richard i just want to hear another oppinions.
And my question was also about separate thread for this, i supose i can do so?


Another opinion?

I agree completely. Follow the rules or don't post. It's quite simple, but you seem to have trouble understanding it, just like you don't stick to the deadlines.

But you know what? Ultimately it doesn't matter what I think. Why? Because it's not my forum. j.hall's forum. j.hall's rules. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Very simple.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 08:32:04 am
Greg Dixon wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 06:57

Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:29

grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 03:48

the objective is to make a great mix WITHOUT overdubbing anything.  if you want to spread your creative musical wings, you're in the wrong forum.

don't get me wrong, i WANT to hear your mix, just WITHOUT the overdubs.

Thank you Mr. Richard i just want to hear another oppinions.
And my question was also about separate thread for this, i supose i can do so?


Another opinion?

I agree completely. Follow the rules or don't post. It's quite simple, but you seem to have trouble understanding it, just like you don't stick to the deadlines.

But you know what? Ultimately it doesn't matter what I think. Why? Because it's not my forum. j.hall's forum. j.hall's rules. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Very simple.

Oh, then i wont post. I hoped what we could come to some reasonable compromise here with some nice guys we have here:)
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: darkhorseporter on June 03, 2007, 09:04:44 am
Also, I was feeling creative. I wrote and recorded a song, called it IMP 12 and would like to submit for everyone's review.  I didn't learn much about mixing, but hey, thats not MY priority...

[/sarcasm]















ps.  I think you're doing a great thing here, J.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 10:26:40 am
[quote title=darkhorseporter wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 08:04]Also, I was feeling creative. I wrote and recorded a song, called it IMP 12 and would like to submit for everyone's review.  I didn't learn much about mixing, but hey, thats not MY priority...

[/sarcasm]

Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Tom C on June 03, 2007, 10:52:50 am
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 16:26



Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"



If that'd be true artists wouldn't need a mixer at all.
Our job IS to get something better out of the recording, no matter
how good it was to start with.

And, after listening to the song for the very first time right now
I definitely DON'T think it's garbage.

Unusual style: yes.
Unusual arrangement: yes
Something you can learn a lot from mixing it: you bet!

If I was an artist with an unmixed  record and had read what
you've written about that song so far I'd go somewhere else to
mix it.
End of customer relationship.

Tom
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Fibes on June 03, 2007, 11:20:44 am
Quote:

Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"


I can't wait to mix your stuff and give my unbridled opinion.

That's if you actually do anything other than whine.

As most of you have learned, being a successful mixer has a lot to do with mixing skills but it has a lot more to do with people skills.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 11:31:42 am
Tom C wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 09:52

Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 16:26



Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"



If that'd be true artists wouldn't need a mixer at all.
Our job IS to get something better out of the recording, no matter
how good it was to start with.

And, after listening to the song for the very first time right now
I definitely DON'T think it's garbage.

Unusual style: yes.
Unusual arrangement: yes
Something you can learn a lot from mixing it: you bet!

If I was an artist with an unmixed  record and had read what
you've written about that song so far I'd go somewhere else to
mix it.
End of customer relationship.

Tom


For 17 yold bands this is true.
Mixing/Producing serious stuff don't work like this!
It is iterative process. And in our century of technoilogy many "tiny" and not so tiny arrangement elements are coupled with technology, so who could create this? well probably: mixer.
So every mixer should have arrangement skills, not only dragging faders. Anyway being able to rearrange song brings much more possibilities for perfect mix. I just don't know how better spell my valid oppinion on this to circumvent language barrier.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: malice on June 03, 2007, 11:39:12 am
[quote title=Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 16:26]
darkhorseporter wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 08:04

Also, I was feeling creative. I wrote and recorded a song, called it IMP 12 and would like to submit for everyone's review.  I didn't learn much about mixing, but hey, thats not MY priority...

[/sarcasm]

Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"



Have you ever learned to read a contract before starting a "mixing gig".

This one seemed pretty clear about the rules.

Do you often whine in front of the artist about how crappy the song you had to mix was after being done mixing it ?

Because if you do that, I really doubt you have been very far in the learning process.

lol

malice
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 03, 2007, 12:53:04 pm
This is crazy fellas!

This is turning into a pissing match. How can you say, Vlad, that you understand the rules and then in the next sentence still say that you want to do it your way? How is that working for you man? How is this a mirror to your life? You would rather be right than professional and piss everyone off in your way? Do you have many return clients? Maybe they think that you're always right too... I don't know. This is not a slam, just something to think about. If your way is the best, then there really is no need for the rest of us. You can be the only producer/engineer/artist in the world. There would be no need for other's interpretation and we'll all just buy your records and like it. What do you think?

Pretty crazy, huh? Man lighten up. Follow the rules. Do something outside of your comfort zone. Are you afraid put yourself out there, naked, with no "bells and whistles"? To make a mix sound as good as you can with what you got? Because that takes talent. Do you have the sand?

Read my signature and find out what that means to you.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 01:02:48 pm
[quote title=malice wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 10:39]
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 16:26

darkhorseporter wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 08:04

Also, I was feeling creative. I wrote and recorded a song, called it IMP 12 and would like to submit for everyone's review.  I didn't learn much about mixing, but hey, thats not MY priority...

[/sarcasm]

Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"



Have you ever learned to read a contract before starting a "mixing gig".

This one seemed pretty clear about the rules.

Do you often whine in front of the artist about how crappy the song you had to mix was after being done mixing it ?

Because if you do that, I really doubt you have been very far in the learning process.

lol

malice

Anothere nice guy:) Yea i usually re-record as many times as necesary and use samples/autotune if band cannot perform something. I usually suggest/influence arrangment and look for reaction: 80% of time those are very welkomed. I'm usually asked to add some FX like things. Almost always many things are decided at mixing stage. If something don't work i suggest phrases or rytmical structures wich will work. Keyboards are usually added during mixing also...

>Do you often whine in front of the artist about how crappy the >song you had to mix was after being done mixing it ?
Yes i point out week places before somebody else could point them. I also propose long term work for record and record project on DVD. Many bands appreciate long term work for ability improve themselves.
And unfortunately as i see here nobody want to learn arrangement and have broader pewrpective, perople just stick with faders which is big mistake.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 01:12:39 pm
J-Texas wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 11:53


Pretty crazy, huh? Man lighten up. Follow the rules. Do something outside of your comfort zone. Are you afraid put yourself out there, naked, with no "bells and whistles"? To make a mix sound as good as you can with what you got? Because that takes talent. Do you have the sand?
Read my signature and find out what that means to you.

What can you do with 12 tracks all full of saturation? Drums recorded on 2 tracks. Such song can be mixed in 10 minutes. i did one such song in previous imps. I don't see any point do another as there will be NO learning at ALL. And all goodnes of IMPs is very questionable because nobody provide track by track results, nobody shares their DAW projects, and most of time people don't provide exact settings for doing something. I asked about guitar processing from Jhall, and what i was told i just: "I used Blababa" for reamping and nothing more. I see what this thing is turning into crap with no feedback mechanism at all. All i see is thanksgiving and niceness, with no saturation...
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: malice on June 03, 2007, 01:18:21 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:02


And unfortunately as i see here nobody want to learn arrangement and have broader pewrpective, perople just stick with faders which is big mistake.


Wich is unfortunatly not my case. I'm a producer/mixer and musician, and I have arranged a lot of albums, and that includes Strings, reeds and horns for +20 musicians orchestras.

But if I'm hired to mix, I either accept the gig or refuse if I don't feel like I can do my job in order to meet the artist and the producer expectations.

What I DON'T do is to replace tracks without being asked and, furthermore, when I was asked NOT to, and then publicaly come and say out loud that the music was too crappy to be  just mixed[/I.

You might think we are not nice guys or that we lack vision, but I doubt anyone here does not see your posts as bad form.

Production is one field, mixing is another. This was about mixing.

What was so hard to comprehend ?

malice
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Tom C on June 03, 2007, 01:42:06 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:12

I don't see any point do another as there will be NO learning at ALL.



Maybe I'm just another strange guy but I've learned something from every single
mix I've done in my life.

Quote:


And all goodnes of IMPs is very questionable because nobody provide track by track results, nobody shares their DAW projects, and most of time people don't provide exact settings for doing something.


I think you've completely missed the purpose of IMP.
What good would it be if I'd give you the exact settings?
They only work in the context of MY mix, which is done with MY
vision which is mostly a result of MY taste.

Try to learn how and why a certain sound was created by your ears,
not by looking at some settings which you most probably couldn't
use anyway because you're using different software/hardware.

Tom
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Tom C on June 03, 2007, 01:47:36 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:02

And unfortunately as i see here nobody want to learn arrangement and have broader pewrpective, perople just stick with faders which is big mistake.


Mixing is mixing and arranging is arranging. It's that simple.

I've done WAY more arranging than mixing in my life.
But doing classical arrangments/film music doesn't mean that I'm
half as good in mixing.
And that's why I (and others) are here.

Tom
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: pg666 on June 03, 2007, 02:02:59 pm
Quote:

Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"


so much for the self-restraint. that lasted for like.. a day.

i look forward to J. banning this dude.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 02:11:11 pm
If there are so many skilled arrangers there.
WHYYYY Couldn't you please give me an arranging advices/feedback/opinions in Another thread? After all submisiions are locked in IMP thread.
Does any single post in this forum is about mixing? I don't think so. Anyway as i told mixing is quite interrelated to arranging. If you read any single book on mixing, then evey book contains chapter about arrangin. "Mixing Engeneer Handbook" contains chapter about arrangement. "Mixing and mastering with Waves" Contains Ararngement decision list for all tracks and all songs are produced by the same person who mixed it:) so this is usual case.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: NelsonL on June 03, 2007, 02:18:36 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 07:26

 Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out"



A rule that more aptly describes your contribution to this forum.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Devin Knutson on June 03, 2007, 02:51:09 pm
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Devin Knutson on June 03, 2007, 03:01:27 pm
Hey J,

Just a thought:  Would it be a good idea to un-sticky this thread and start over for the review thread on Wednesday?  Or was that the plan anyway?  Smile

- Devin
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: grantis on June 03, 2007, 03:06:28 pm
Quote:

so much for the self-restraint. that lasted for like.. a day.

i look forward to J. banning this dude.


please no personal attacks or sarcasm.  

arguing is fine by me......but this had no point
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: grantis on June 03, 2007, 03:09:09 pm
Quote:

If there are so many skilled arrangers there.
WHYYYY Couldn't you please give me an arranging advices/feedback/opinions in Another thread? After all submisiions are locked in IMP thread.
Does any single post in this forum is about mixing? I don't think so. Anyway as i told mixing is quite interrelated to arranging. If you read any single book on mixing, then evey book contains chapter about arrangin. "Mixing Engeneer Handbook" contains chapter about arrangement. "Mixing and mastering with Waves" Contains Ararngement decision list for all tracks and all songs are produced by the same person who mixed it:) so this is usual case.


VLAD

TRY TO HEAR ME

Nobody said you can't re-arrange a song.  That is part of the purpose of IMP.

EVERYBODY

Vlad is more than welcome to re-arrange a song, just like everybody else.

VLAD...AGAIN

My only problem with this is your use of overdubs.  That is what makes your mix useless to IMP.  Chop up the track all you want, but PLEASE don't overdub anything.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 03:21:49 pm
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 14:09

Quote:

If there are so many skilled arrangers there.
WHYYYY Couldn't you please give me an arranging advices/feedback/opinions in Another thread? After all submisiions are locked in IMP thread.
Does any single post in this forum is about mixing? I don't think so. Anyway as i told mixing is quite interrelated to arranging. If you read any single book on mixing, then evey book contains chapter about arrangin. "Mixing Engeneer Handbook" contains chapter about arrangement. "Mixing and mastering with Waves" Contains Ararngement decision list for all tracks and all songs are produced by the same person who mixed it:) so this is usual case.


VLAD

TRY TO HEAR ME

Nobody said you can't re-arrange a song.  That is part of the purpose of IMP.

EVERYBODY

Vlad is more than welcome to re-arrange a song, just like everybody else.

VLAD...AGAIN

My only problem with this is your use of overdubs.  That is what makes your mix useless to IMP.  Chop up the track all you want, but PLEASE don't overdub anything.

I will do another version for IMP, and will submit arranged version after IMP is over for comparison, because i cannot throw away all my arranging ideas...
I just so like to hear Mixes of those ho are quite agressive now:)
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Brian Lloyd on June 03, 2007, 04:00:34 pm
Quote:

Yea i usually re-record as many times as necesary and use samples/autotune if band cannot perform something. I usually suggest/influence arrangment and look for reaction: 80% of time those are very welkomed. I'm usually asked to add some FX like things.



Vlad - And this is the reason i hate popular music so much. you are stuck on the mindset that EVERYTHING has to be perfect...and in time. where is the art in that? what happens when that artist has to perform live and it sounds totally different from the digi-perfect track you have helped today's society force-feed into the mainstream?

they didnt have DAW's, or fancy preamps or beat detection when groups like the beach boys or any mo-town artists made a record. it was all about performance and having passion in the music. it was THEIR music and THEIR dreams about how it sounded. it was not up to the engineer to make sure that EVERY note was perfect. It was the engineers job to capture the feeling and passion the best way possible and record it to whatever the media of choice might be.

If you want to make that your mixing style...GO MIX TEENIE BOP POP!
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 03, 2007, 04:01:09 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 14:21


I will do another version for IMP, and will submit arranged version after IMP is over for comparison, because i cannot throw away all my arranging ideas...
I just so like to hear Mixes of those ho are quite agressive now:)



Man... I am convinced that you have screw loose now. I tried to be as diplomatic as possible and give you the benefit of the doubt, but there are just some people in this world, well, not in touch with reality.

One of these things is going on:

-You really believe that you are more correct than the other members and the moderator of this forum.

-You are not expressing yourself in a way that others can comprehend.

-You are trying to irritate others on purpose.

None of which are really acceptable to me personally.

Your negativity has now infected me. I had an awesome entry into this forum and now it has turned south.

There are rules. NO... you can't start another thread and make everyone listen to your musical example of defiance and disrespect.

Very uncool Vlad.

Dude... something just came to mind. What if someone wanted to Autotune Dylan?

THINK!

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: pg666 on June 03, 2007, 04:06:44 pm
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 20:06

Quote:

so much for the self-restraint. that lasted for like.. a day.

i look forward to J. banning this dude.


please no personal attacks or sarcasm.  

arguing is fine by me......but this had no point


the guy didn't hesitate insulting my own music (out of nowhere) in another thread. i didn't really care, but he's done it quite a few times on this board; especially in the IMP threads, where people voluntarily submitted their tracks only for them to be repeatedly called "crap" by this guy.

now we have 3 or 4 pages in this thread with people trying to reason with him and it's going nowhere. it's pretty distracting to those who are using this project for its intended purposes. J's already given the guy fair warning to little avail, and i won't feel too bad for someone willfully ignoring the rules. it wasn't 'personal'.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: bblackwood on June 03, 2007, 04:18:08 pm
Vlad, you have a PM.

Back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 03, 2007, 04:29:56 pm
pg666 wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 15:06

grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 20:06

Quote:

so much for the self-restraint. that lasted for like.. a day.

i look forward to J. banning this dude.


please no personal attacks or sarcasm.  

arguing is fine by me......but this had no point


the guy didn't hesitate insulting my own music (out of nowhere) in another thread.

HAHAHAHA:) what was your music? i just did't know you personally. I didn't insult last IMP music and guess why? Because it was well recorded an well arranged:) At least each player knew which Function it is doing in mix, Not just "i want to play this note here" oh "maybe this note" don't really care which:)
I didn't insult anybody volanturely providing music for imps. All respect for those guys offering a music. Please dont try to BAN somebody just because of negative oppinion on your music. I hope i could provide you constructive feedback if you will tell me which imp you reffer? If don't need it. Then try not to get pissed off becausde of my opinion. Anyway you are the guy who could decide how he could improve it's music or no improvement needed.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Gabriel F on June 03, 2007, 05:46:15 pm
Vlad why do you think this is a bad arrangement? because you cannot compare it to anothers songs, because it doesnt sound like avril lavigne?. i believe every note and instrument is doing a function. They dont do the usual top 40 thing but they serve a purpose.

And Vlad please read the rules carefully. You can rearrange the song you can cut and chop sounds and totally twist the songs but you cannot ADD new played parts.
I mean you can change the tempo if you want, the structure, the vocal harmonies, but you cannot record a new vocal take or guitar or whatever.
And this forum is about indie rock, not top 40 teen pop.


I am having a hard time deciding with direction should i take for this mix but i believe thats exactly the point of this imp. I am tring to go for a vibe kinda like Joy divison song "Transmission" but the cover made by Low. Trying really hard to create that ethereal sound mixed with an exploding led zeps drum sound.  
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: chrisj on June 03, 2007, 10:37:15 pm
Hey, I liked the song! This is the most psychedelic one yet. Dibs on most Sixties-sounding mix. I'm aiming to piss off at least 50% of listeners, confuse another 49% and have the remaining guy worship me as a mixing god Smile

Of course, if we don't have 100 people in this IMP I'm out of luck... Wink

HEAVY USE of the auratone-stylee this time. If there's one thing I've learned in IMPs (and forgotten, repeatedly) it's that I can't mix on mastering speakers.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 03, 2007, 10:53:07 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 11:11

If there are so many skilled arrangers there.
WHYYYY Couldn't you please give me an arranging advices/feedback/opinions in Another thread? After all submisiions are locked in IMP thread.
Does any single post in this forum is about mixing? I don't think so. Anyway as i told mixing is quite interrelated to arranging. If you read any single book on mixing, then evey book contains chapter about arrangin. "Mixing Engeneer Handbook" contains chapter about arrangement. "Mixing and mastering with Waves" Contains Ararngement decision list for all tracks and all songs are produced by the same person who mixed it:) so this is usual case.




WOW I HAVE to interject something here. Those of us who own and run busy studios only WISH every project was to our liking. What seperates the men from the boys is when you get a project that is not to your liking, record it the way a client wants it recorded, then MIX (not rearrange) that project with all of the creative juices you can muster, and make a masterpiece of it. When you can do that, you will have another returning client. As engineers, it is not our job to rearrange. It is to reproduce.
This project is a real chalange, as I personally don't care for the project. BUT I also love a challenge and if time permits, I will enjoy giving it a go.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: J-Texas on June 03, 2007, 11:24:12 pm
CHANCE wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 21:53

WOW I HAVE to interject something here. Those of us who own and run busy studios only WISH every project was to our liking. What seperates the men from the boys is when you get a project that is not to your liking, record it the way a client wants it recorded, then MIX (not rearrange) that project with all of the creative juices you can muster, and make a masterpiece of it. When you can do that, you will have another returning client. As engineers, it is not our job to rearrange. It is to reproduce.


Yeah. That's what I meant to say.  Very Happy

Not to change the subject or anything (as much as I like slinging poop), but I like keeping the drums hard left and right. Well, in my case, right and left.

Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: iCombs on June 04, 2007, 01:57:57 am
Wow.  I miss this thread for a couple days and it went CRAZY!  Yeesh.  No mixes are even IN yet!!!  

I, personally, kinda dig the song.  I did a couple things with sample replacement.  I cut some parts that I thought were unnecessary.  I think that with the minimal amount of both elements in the song and control vis a vis individual tracks, it's a real challenge to make it all work together in a way other than just pushing the faders up.  This song needs more than that.  IMO.  Someone else might diagree.  And I'll be interested to hear their mix.  Because it might illuminate something that I'll apply to my next mix.  

The signal to noise ratio in this thread has gone completely to shit.  Let's keep our sticks on the ice and get back to the task at hand...making mixes and talking about them.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: scottoliphant on June 04, 2007, 10:43:36 am
Quote:

As engineers, it is not our job to rearrange. It is to reproduce.
i personally only monitor off the rearrange head.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 04, 2007, 10:57:02 am
scottoliphant wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 07:43

Quote:

As engineers, it is not our job to rearrange. It is to reproduce.
i personally only monitor off the rearrange head.




LOL
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on June 04, 2007, 10:57:27 am
thanks brad for keeping an eye on this.  i was "away from my desk" for a day or two and all hell broke loose.

i'm taking the good advice on ditching this thread and starting a new discusion  thread....whoever said that, thanks, my mind was swimming with the insane things being said.

pg666 is perfectly fine in his posts, he's been on these forums a LONG TIME and knows his way around.

oddly enough, i think some good has come of all this.

there is little point in addressing the vast majority of comments by vlad and others, i would like to just mention this strctly from the stand point of "validity".  

Quote:


vlad wrote

What can you do with 12 tracks all full of saturation? Drums recorded on 2 tracks. Such song can be mixed in 10 minutes.



Elivs and James Brown (to mention only two) seemed to do just fine gong live to MONO!!!!!!!!

the beatles didn't seem to do too badly with mono drums, nor did Motown records.  led zep didn't seem to suffer too greatly from only three drum tracks on certain records

and i'm sure many artists would have killed for 12 tracks.

what is wrong with doing a mix in 10 minutes?  
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: el duderino on June 04, 2007, 11:25:43 am
j.hall wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 10:57



what is wrong with doing a mix in 10 minutes?  


nothing.

as long as you arent billing by the hour! Razz
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Fibes on June 04, 2007, 11:33:44 am
el duderino wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 11:25

j.hall wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 10:57



what is wrong with doing a mix in 10 minutes?  


nothing.

as long as you arent billing by the hour! Razz




Exactly.

I took two hours to do my mix and IMP 12 will be billed accordingly.

I'm glad i got a chance to take part this time thanks to a bit of a lull in the biz due to postponements and much needed rain therefore no boat time...


Title: Re: IMP12 trash thread
Post by: M Carter on June 04, 2007, 11:58:10 am
what took longest for me was getting the M/S pair right on the clog solo.
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on June 04, 2007, 12:39:09 pm
j.hall wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 09:57


pg666 is perfectly fine in his posts, he's been on these forums a LONG TIME and knows his way around.



JHall i'm just curious which age are you?
Im't not any asslicker and i realy DONT CARE ABOUT MY WAY AROUND here...
Just leave with this knowlege:)))))))
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: CHANCE on June 04, 2007, 12:50:50 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 09:39

j.hall wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 09:57


pg666 is perfectly fine in his posts, he's been on these forums a LONG TIME and knows his way around.



JHall i'm just curious which age are you?
Im't not any asslicker and i realy DONT CARE ABOUT MY WAY AROUND here...
Just leave with this knowlege:)))))))




?
Title: Re: IMP12 discussion thread
Post by: j.hall on June 04, 2007, 01:22:54 pm
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 11:39



JHall i'm just curious which age are you?



i'm 31 years old

Quote:


Im't not any asslicker and i realy DONT CARE ABOUT MY WAY AROUND here...



OBVIOUSLY you don't, or you wouldn't be in this situation, as Brian (pg666) has never found himself in

Quote:


Just leave with this knowlege:)))))))



OH, i'm not leaving.......you are.