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Title: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on December 21, 2005, 08:13:06 pm
Since i am in or almost in the mix process of about 10 songs i am trying to devour as much info as i can from as many sources as i can to learn. i read the gearslutz forum post about Charles Dye and his DVD. especially since i am "all in the box" now that i am ready to mix this is something i was interested in.

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?t=50843&page= 1&pp=30



With my home studio i am mixing in SAWstudio with its plugs, sonoris plugs, anwida plugs and WAVES (although i don;t use these much). the built in EQ's and comps are what i am using for the most part although i do use SAW's levelizer at times. i switch between event ASP-8's and JBL LSR25P's and my sony headphones. basically a VERY modest setup

it seems like he has alot of credits and has done some good record/mixes

i don't want this to be a personal thing at all since in the gearslutz forum he seemed like a really nice guy. what i am wondering is if anyone else has this or has seen it and crazy production/locations aside what any of you thought of it.

thanks
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Brendan Thompson on December 21, 2005, 11:40:26 pm
There was a thread about this over on the MARSH in Rec 101 (linky on the left there).

Charles actually posted in the thread too.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: wwittman on December 22, 2005, 01:19:31 am
"like" a good sounding "record", or a bad sounding "record"?

Good mixing has nothing to do with what format it's mixed in.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Extreme Mixing on December 22, 2005, 09:22:33 am
I haven't seen the DVD.  In the "old" days, we used to assist.  That way we got to see many different engineers work and find what worked and what didn't.  Sometimes, you could learn great lessons from the hacks, too--as in what not to do.  There's nothing better than looking over the shoulder of someone who really knows what's going on and how to get things sounding great.  

From what I can tell, that is the point of the DVD.  He gives you the PT file and then walks you through the mix in person on the video and talks about his intentions and his methods.  Even if he's not your favorite mixer, I'm sure there is plenty to learn and you will benefit from the experience.  I don't know how much of a handicap it will be working on SAW, vs Pro Tools.  Most of the techniques should translate to any platform.  But you may not get the hands on experience you would get if you were using PT and had access to the actual session.  I know I learned a lot by recalling mixes for some great engineers.  There's nothing like sitting in their chair and turning the knobs to try to match their sound.

I'd go for it.

Steve
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fibes on December 22, 2005, 10:10:45 am
I've heard what Charles can do to raw tracks and it's pretty amazing. He's also a great guy.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on December 22, 2005, 01:57:25 pm
welp i ordered it, will check it out and hope i learn some stuff.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: blueboy on December 22, 2005, 03:36:27 pm
http://marsh.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/8062/112932/?S Q=03e6baa7c367ef74713f429844bcb5ac

JL
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fletcher on December 23, 2005, 09:37:47 am
Fibes wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 10:10

I've heard what Charles can do to raw tracks and it's pretty amazing. He's also a great guy.


I've heard what he can do to 'raw tracks' as well... he's very pleasant on the phone.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Tim Halligan on December 23, 2005, 10:48:33 am
trock wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 02:57

welp i ordered it, will check it out and hope i learn some stuff.


Oh, you will learn stuff...

Very Happy



Cheers,
Tim
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: wwittman on December 23, 2005, 06:52:33 pm
Fletcher wrote on Fri, 23 December 2005 09:37



I've heard what he can do to 'raw tracks' as well... he's very pleasant on the phone.




hmmm, cryptic!
But interesting.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: J.J. Blair on December 23, 2005, 06:59:02 pm
Of all the people I've ever bought audio gear from, Fletcher is one of them!
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Pingu on December 24, 2005, 11:18:28 am
The only thing i dont like about Milar and hard disk life is that
Charles uses so many god dam plugs.

I dont know about you guys but when i started out mixing i read his hard disk life column and it made me feel like i had to put plugs on every track.

I think hes got sponsorship deals with these plugin companies or something.
He also says that when he tracks he does so with the intent of allowing room for plugs so he can show us what we can do with them.

I think the emphasis should be more on tracking and mixing with tracks that dont need to be processed so much, not what we can do with plugins, but then the DVD might not have been made WRT lack of funds as im sure all of those different plugin companies had something to do with helping this get off the ground.

Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Frob on December 24, 2005, 01:25:35 pm
who knows mabey a tracking dvd is in the works.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on January 04, 2006, 07:56:45 pm
since i started this thread i need to now post some intial observations.

first i didn't mind the crazy locations and all the whacky angle shots etc. maybe a little overdone but it def was more interesting than one camera on one guy in one studio droning on and on about his approach to life and a rock song.

second i def think, as most have said, chrarles comes across as a nice guy and certainly seems to know his way around his PT HD rig

third, i LOVE the D COntrol console look, just had to say that, really sweet looking. but i am always blown away by gear and lights and faders and and and

ok

4th - alot of what he talks about in the metaphysical (sp?) realm is ok, and i actually appreciated someone talking about emotion again, i find that very lacking alot today. and when i record and something is really happening and i get goose bumps or am moved i really know i connecting with something, and to me it was nice to just hear that aspect of creativity mentioned

5th - i have absolutley no idea how anyone can use that many plugs on a track, i was very put off by that. not just because he uses that many (more power to him), but why?? i mean i was trying to imagine my stuff with all that on it and i would lose all resemblance to the song i am working with not to mention i have no idea how to control all of that and my PC would explode at some point. now this is his song and his vision and i respect that alot, just FOR ME too many plugs and choices. I am the AC/DC of acoustic.

6th - i am moving on to the other chapters now and will finish this when i am done watching

overall at this point it would be a B for what i have seen and enjoyed watching. now i need to see what i can really learn and take from it
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Andres Gonzalez on January 05, 2006, 02:23:51 pm
So far I have only had the time to view the first DVD. However, to me, all of the various camera angles and locations is a distraction at best. I bought this DVD to learn from, not necessarily to be entertained.

I may be just a nervous kind of guy, but, I think Charles speaks way too slow. I sometimes find myself feeling impatient and wish he would hurry up and get to the meat of what he is trying to say.

All in all, I think the DVD is, so far, worth it. I am learning from it.

-Andres  
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: archtop on January 05, 2006, 05:46:51 pm
Andres Gonzalez wrote on Thu, 05 January 2006 11:23

 Charles speaks way too slow.  



Thats for us on the short bus
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on January 06, 2006, 11:04:39 am
Thanks for the kind words, and constructive criticism.

Just some random responses:

I happen to use a lotta plugz cuz I like the sound after the plugz + not before. Since the most I might use are five + three of them would be normal plugz like a comp, gate + EQ, then if ya don't like the saturation plugz that's cool.

But many of us who have incorporated sat plugz into our process (there are tons of VST equivs) couldn't work without them any longer. And like all this shit, what works for me, might not for you + that's cool too. But I highly recommend @ least demoing some of them, cuz they truly broaden your sonic palette.

I didn't record the tracks on this song. I didn't even know the band when they were recorded. Every tweak I did to the tracks was done because the band + I thought it was necessary to realize our aural vision. And the mix was done months before Jon Kagi contacted me + suggested doing a DVD.

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slow.

But I'm pleasant on the phone.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on January 06, 2006, 04:02:56 pm
Hi Charles

thanks for posting, i want to clarify a little by what i meant with the "all those plugs" comment

first i was def interested in what you used and why, since i too will be mixing all in the box here at home

my only real problem was not knowing or having alot of those plugs i wasn;t sure what i had that might be comparable. i did write down what you were using and priced some of them out. for me to get all of that or close is out of my price range right now so i was trying to figure out what i could do with what i had.

I have now finished the whole DVD and the automation part was great, that will really be some stuff for me to try. the automation process in SAW is a beautiful thing, so in that case i can emulate and experiment right along with you and then on my own. i liked your explanations behind the reason for why you did what you did and where.

i am surprised all the top guys are not doing this. the greatest thing in the world would be for the Fletchers, albini's, mannings, lange's, eno's etc etc do these type of DVD's on a session. i would think they woud be a huge seller to the masses of home hobbyst's.

So all in all i enjoed it quite alot and will be re watching to take some notes and try a few things on my own.

really between the great forum here and things like this DVD all have been SOOOOO helpful to someone like me. you have no idea.

thanks
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fibes on January 06, 2006, 04:05:29 pm
I think the most amazing thing is that Charles drove out there from Miami alone.

Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on January 07, 2006, 01:54:16 pm
And on one tank of gas. Very Happy
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on January 07, 2006, 01:55:22 pm
And and your very welcome Tim.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Pingu on January 07, 2006, 10:07:13 pm
Hi Charles, its great to have you here.

I just re read my post and i would like to mention now that you are here that reading your column HDL helped me tremendously, so much so that it shaped mixing style. Ive had to learn how to deal with less plugs as i dont have a HD rig.

Anyhow for what its worth your HDL really helped me out, i read it like 5 times and i also cant live without saturation.
(Distortion of Reality) i think you put it.
I will be getting Milar soon also.

Thanks for everything.
My mixing has improved because of you.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Andres Gonzalez on January 09, 2006, 10:39:42 pm
I must admit I have to pause the DVD several times to take in all the good information you provide in your presentation Charles. So, in this case I guess you are talking too fast.  Smile

I have really been learning alot from your DVD. Much has been said here about your use of many plugins. I have found your comments about those many plugins to be very helpful. Since I was not familiar with many of them, it was most helpful to me to hear your opinion on them and why you were using them in a particular situation.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I have found your DVD well worth the price paid and I am learning much from it.

-Andres
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Bryson on January 10, 2006, 07:51:21 am
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Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: wavdoctor on January 10, 2006, 11:11:38 am
If anyone has a copy they would like to part with..I have an upcoming trip and would like some filler that actually interests me..I don;t want to shell out 150.00 for a new one..I dont use PT and not many plugins either..just want some entertainment..And I'm open minded.
contact me please.. Smile

hbrookes@bwiairport.com

Thanks, Harry
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Extreme Mixing on January 10, 2006, 07:14:21 pm
wavdoctor wrote on Tue, 10 January 2006 08:11

If anyone has a copy they would like to part with..I have an upcoming trip and would like some filler that actually interests me..I don;t want to shell out 150.00 for a new one..I dont use PT and not many plugins either..just want some entertainment..And I'm open minded.
contact me please.. Smile

hbrookes@bwiairport.com

Thanks, Harry


I've seen it.  Not sure I could drive and watch it, but hey, if Charles made it from Miami to Seattle on one tank, who am I to say you can't pull it off.  I think it's a useful DVD for many out there.  It's not often you get to look over someone's shoulder, especially if you live in Des Moines.

And for you hard-core critics out there, think how silly YOU would sound telling a video camera how you feel about mixing and why you do the things you do in a mix.  I always go with, "hey, it seemed like a good idea at the time".

I think I'll do my own DVD.  MILAD.





Mix it like a DEMO.

Charles, I have a question.  From the screen shots on the DVD, it looks like you do most of your fader rides with the hand tool.  Do you find that you prefer that to faders, or just riding things with a mouse or trackball?

Steve
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: billkahler on January 12, 2006, 02:58:44 pm
Really good info with these dvds - I just finished watching both of them. The video editing seems as though it was done by someone on Starbucks crack and adds nothing but distraction. Also when showing the track before adding the plug in there is annoying bumper music and then an example of plugs added. Would have been much more effective to have silence in between for better A / B ing. Maybe Charles hooked up with a camera crew left over from Miami Vice. Save some bucks and rent it at [edited by moderator] I'm not affiliated, I just saved some bucks. There were fingerprints on my copy and when i washed them off, much of the home-burned-home-printed ink came off as well. I think if someone is going to charge this much for a product they should at least get it professionally duped. Also, there is an excellent DVD on tracking-through-mixing called Russ Long's Guide to Nashville Recording. It isn't country - kind of pop/rock and it's done very well and much more reasonably priced. Much better editing etc. Check out both of them though as they go different places. Just get ready with Charles' to feel your head start to ache with the rapid fire crazy location editing and slow speech.

[Note: until clearance is given, renting unlicensed products is illegal. Please take everything in this post with a grain of salt as we have no way of knowing whether the copy written about was a true licensed copy or an illegal copy.]
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on January 12, 2006, 06:00:23 pm
I disagree a little on the russ long DVD. yes more moderately priced but a little misleading in that the second half of the DVD Russ is supposed to take you thru recording with SM 57 mics and a mackie and thats it, to show you the sound difference between that and what he did with the top of the line stuff (pendulum, massenberg etc) in the first half of the DVD

the problem with this is he did track with the 57's but he still RAN them THRU the top Pre's etc so it was very misleading

i wrote them and asked them about that and they were very nice and answered me and said yes i had a point. but it is still a good DVD and he goes alot into Mic placement etc and the actual tracking part which is GREAT on this DVD
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Extreme Mixing on January 12, 2006, 08:42:42 pm
But who does tracking anymore...

Steve
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on January 13, 2006, 01:08:47 pm
Pingu wrote on Sat, 07 January 2006 22:07

Hi Charles, its great to have you here.

I just re read my post and i would like to mention now that you are here that reading your column HDL helped me tremendously, so much so that it shaped mixing style. Ive had to learn how to deal with less plugs as i dont have a HD rig.

Anyhow for what its worth your HDL really helped me out, i read it like 5 times and i also cant live without saturation.
(Distortion of Reality) i think you put it.
I will be getting Milar soon also.

Thanks for everything.
My mixing has improved because of you.

Thank you very much, Pingu.

Writing the 12 Hard Disk Life columns was very invigorating + cathartic for me. It really helped me understand the decisions I make when mixing. I'm glad you learned from it.

I'm also really happy to hear your mixing has improved. It's posts like yours that made all the work that went into the column worth it.

All the best,
C
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Pingu on January 14, 2006, 02:39:19 am
Charles Dye wrote on Fri, 13 January 2006 18:08

Pingu wrote on Sat, 07 January 2006 22:07

Hi Charles, its great to have you here.

I just re read my post and i would like to mention now that you are here that reading your column HDL helped me tremendously, so much so that it shaped mixing style. Ive had to learn how to deal with less plugs as i dont have a HD rig.

Anyhow for what its worth your HDL really helped me out, i read it like 5 times and i also cant live without saturation.
(Distortion of Reality) i think you put it.
I will be getting Milar soon also.

Thanks for everything.
My mixing has improved because of you.

Thank you very much, Pingu.

Writing the 12 Hard Disk Life columns was very invigorating + cathartic for me. It really helped me understand the decisions I make when mixing. I'm glad you learned from it.

I'm also really happy to hear your mixing has improved. It's posts like yours that made all the work that went into the column worth it.

All the best,
C



No thank you Charles. I think I honestly would have given up if it wasn't for Hard Disk Life. A lot of encouraging sentences.

1 in particular that i liked was you said that a mix is never perfect, instruments are supposed to stick out.
I loved that cause i used to and still drown myself with trying to perfect a mix.

I also appreciated how you said even though you don't feel your mixes are improving they are.

I also have the Kagi media DVD and i learned a lot from that also.

It shows true skill and knowledge when a human being openly reveals there hard earned secrets.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Brendan Thompson on January 14, 2006, 06:24:58 am
Is there a place I can get the columns online? CharlesDye.com doesn't seem to have them, nor does HardDiskLife.com so I'm kinda lost as to where they might be if they're even still online at all.

Nice work on this year's CaPE mix, btw.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on January 14, 2006, 10:34:17 am
Brendan Thompson wrote on Sat, 14 January 2006 06:24

Is there a place I can get the columns online?

The column can be found @ www.harddisklife.com. Select the HdL Column menu @ the top. There are also articles about mixing + recording in the Articles menu.

And thanks Brendan, we really had a blast this year with Team Zodiac.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on January 15, 2006, 07:54:58 am
Extreme Mixing wrote on Tue, 10 January 2006 19:14

Charles, I have a question.  From the screen shots on the DVD, it looks like you do most of your fader rides with the hand tool.  Do you find that you prefer that to faders, or just riding things with a mouse or trackball?

Yeah, I'm a trackball-jockey.

I've found I really don't use faders very much anymore. For me, graphic editing is faster + more precise. I can turn down the level of an 8 bar section in way less time than it would take for me to play the 8 bars + write it in with a fader.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on January 15, 2006, 07:56:57 am
And thanks to everyone's kind words.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Pingu on March 26, 2006, 12:34:05 pm
Charles, for the guys that can not gain access to some of the plugs you use for saturation in the Ptle environment or vst, can you recommend any other plugs as a substitute worthy to take the place of the AC1 specifically and the DUY tape.

Cheers
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on March 30, 2006, 12:21:56 am
Looks like a great lesson. I have been using PT for about a year and I work hard, not smart. And there are so many plugs out there that are jsut no usable for much and if used wrong ruin the music. This is the kind of thing I have been needing. Thanks for the heads up. I also saved the web pages for the "hard disk life". So, until my DVD get's here I am going to read through those.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: J.J. Blair on March 30, 2006, 01:52:26 am
I liked Charles' moustache.  It's got that vintage vibe, like a Doobie Brothers record.

Smile

Just out of curiosity, how many of you would buy a DVD that explained recording in detail, from how sound works, to every step of the signal path in theory and practice?  Or how about one that documented recording sessions with well known engineers?
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on March 30, 2006, 11:38:08 am
JJ

i would buy a whole series of those

today
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on March 30, 2006, 11:44:09 am
and i think you would find a huge market for these from the home guys/gals.

i bought this and the one from the guy in nashville (yes i am drawing a blank right now)

alot of people had pro's and con's about both of these but you know what? for us home guys trying to figure it all out, these are invaluable. i figure it like this, if i spend 125 bucks on a dvd and learn 2+ things that really elevate my own recordings then this was incredibly worth it and fun.

i think you will find that the person who realizes there is a huge market of hungry home people trying to learn this but shut off from the top guys, that if you put together something like a line of How to from "X" with the different top guns in the industry, with different approachs and techniques etc

that you and those people could make a mint

say, this is a damn good idea!
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: trock on March 30, 2006, 11:46:10 am
I think i read somewhere that GS has 16K memebers?

you would sell 10K copies there alone

sorry if i have gone overboard on this but this is a huge hole in the market of "how to" training, and i think it would be incredibly exciting

Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Pingu on March 30, 2006, 12:18:17 pm
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 14:52

I liked Charles' moustache.  It's got that vintage vibe, like a Doobie Brothers record.

Smile

Just out of curiosity, how many of you would buy a DVD that explained recording in detail, from how sound works, to every step of the signal path in theory and practice?  Or how about one that documented recording sessions with well known engineers?




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Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: J.J. Blair on March 30, 2006, 04:59:11 pm
Well, stay tuned.  I hope to have something very cool for you in a month or two.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
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Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on March 31, 2006, 10:04:10 pm
these videos are priceless for those not able to sit in on sessions. I ordered the DVD and I'll buy JJ's too. Many of us have good technique but are missing jsut a few things that seperate our work from the big dogs. These kinds of videos close that gap by revealing our mistakes and giving us new ideas. It's not just
"copy this" method. They stimulate us to try new things.  There is plenty of intro stuff out there, and it is time we got some intermediate to advanced learning tools. The advanced stuff you can only get by hands on or OTJ training. These pro's at work with sessions we can touch and mix do just that.

Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Pingu on April 01, 2006, 01:40:41 am
brett wrote on Sat, 01 April 2006 11:04

these videos are priceless for those not able to sit in on sessions. I ordered the DVD and I'll buy JJ's too. Many of us have good technique but are missing jsut a few things that seperate our work from the big dogs. These kinds of videos close that gap by revealing our mistakes and giving us new ideas. It's not just
"copy this" method. They stimulate us to try new things.  There is plenty of intro stuff out there, and it is time we got some intermediate to advanced learning tools. The advanced stuff you can only get by hands on or OTJ training. These pro's at work with sessions we can touch and mix do just that.






Thats so true.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: thephatboi on April 03, 2006, 09:39:12 pm
Hey Charles, I was at your seminar a few weeks ago at RSPE in universal city (LA). Thanks for your presentation, too bad the Digi and sales guys wouldn't allow more time to talk, you know what they are all about; sell sell sell:) I really enjoyed it. It would be nice if more tracking and mixing engineers made the rounds like that, there are alot of "new" engineers who have never used a tape machine or a board or proper mic technique etc. so I think some learning from people who have can only be good.

thanks again,
Sean Ingodsby, Ojai, CA
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on April 04, 2006, 10:54:02 am
Pingu wrote on Sun, 26 March 2006 18:34

Charles, for the guys that can not gain access to some of the plugs you use for saturation in the Ptle environment or vst, can you recommend any other plugs as a substitute worthy to take the place of the AC1 specifically and the DUY tape.

Cheers

Studio Channel SC-226
$129.00
   


stereo channel recording plug-in
The Nomad Factory Studio Channel SC-226 is a stereo channel recording plug-in, featuring four band equalizer, an analog "signature" optical compressor and at the heart of the shelving and bell filters, a tube simulator and Brick-Wall peak limiter designed to reproduce the warmth of vintage recordings with unrivaled quality and realism. The Studio Channel is tube style virtual equalizer / compressor. It is equally suited for delicate vocal as well as dynamic instrument recordings such as lead guitar, bass guitar, drums and horns. The algorithm was designed to emulate the response of a high-end vintage analog equalizer/compressor. The Studio Channel plug-in is available in RTAS, VST and AudioUnit format for MAC OSX and Windows 2000/XP.


doesn't do dual mono and that seems to be where AC1 comes alive. Logic doesn't allow dual mono plugs. I don't think DP does either, so it needs to be built into the plug design to have a dual mono mode. Nomad makes a compressor that has the dual mono switch. Maybe they can add this feature to a later version. It is also tube saturation and not class A, but the soft clip limiter might exibit similar charater to the AC1. I haven't demoed it yet. I'll try it out though.

I did load the PT session from the Milar DVD. I don't have most of the plug-ins. The use of Soundtoys pitch blender eats up most of my mix card so I had to turn it off, and then just using d-verbs on the buses, i ran out of dsp before I had even laoded all of them. My mix plus just can't handle that many reverbs and certainly can't handle much when running pitch blender. Natively my dual 1.42 can handle way more processing than the mix cards but with the limitation of TDM only on buses this mix just isn't possible on my setup. So, I'll have to go to the individual part sessions to try and use them with the video.

I do like it and think is entertaining to watch and learned quite a bit.

What I would like to see from you Charles, is a series of advanced DVD's. Where you take up where y ou left off here and just go through mixing of different types of music. Like a hip-hop track, or a R&B track with loads of vox. And, you could just right to the mixing assuming we had completed the first DVD's and learned and understand the techniques.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: George_ on April 04, 2006, 04:30:51 pm
I think the video is gay Very Happy

I dont like it(content, much blahblah in the first 25 minutes, nor do I like the cutting.

but thats a matter of taste Cool

cheers from a fukked up metalhead Twisted Evil
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 04, 2006, 09:31:17 pm
George, that was your 666th post, FYI.

Anyway, about this gay thing: Was it the moustache that creeped you out?  I was thinking it was more of a heterosexual Dennis Weaver kind of moustache.  But maybe in Switzerland, it has a completely different connotation.

(Sorry Charles!  I had to go there.  You are welcome to give some back.)
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: George_ on April 05, 2006, 01:42:24 am
Quote:

George, that was your 666th post, FYI.


Very Happy Wise decision, I waited till my 666 post.. well as we all known, there was  a translation error and in principal the number of the beast is 616.. but who cares.. I am atheist;)

Quote:

Anyway, about this gay thing: Was it the moustache that creeped you out? I was thinking it was more of a heterosexual Dennis Weaver kind of moustache. But maybe in Switzerland, it has a completely different connotation.



moustache is one thing, but his talking (CONTENT and Behavior) was a huge pain in the ass to listen to it.. and he seems gay.. but

as I said, I dont care in general if someone is jewish, catholic whatever.. (I make an exception for Ross Cool ) so he can be gay or not.. thats not my problem.

and JJ.. who am I to decide wheter its good or not.. just an opinion.. maybe its this startwars thing. you are a fan or you hate it. since I know who is under the white robot jackets I love it..

http://place-au-fussoir.blogspirit.com/images/medium_dessous_starwars.jpg

so maybe I have to go deeper and watch the movie again;)

cheers JJ
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Samc on April 05, 2006, 04:21:51 pm
Pingu wrote on Sat, 01 April 2006 07:40

brett wrote on Sat, 01 April 2006 11:04

these videos are priceless for those not able to sit in on sessions. I ordered the DVD and I'll buy JJ's too. Many of us have good technique but are missing jsut a few things that seperate our work from the big dogs. These kinds of videos close that gap by revealing our mistakes and giving us new ideas. It's not just
"copy this" method. They stimulate us to try new things.  There is plenty of intro stuff out there, and it is time we got some intermediate to advanced learning tools. The advanced stuff you can only get by hands on or OTJ training. These pro's at work with sessions we can touch and mix do just that.






Thats so true.

That's why I'm so excited about the brain surgery DVD being put out by my doctor.  I think he's going to call it "Operate like a (real) SURGEON" or something like that.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on April 05, 2006, 11:44:38 pm
myNameIsGeorge wrote on Wed, 05 April 2006 01:42

Quote:

George, that was your 666th post, FYI.


Very Happy Wise decision, I waited till my 666 post.. well as we all known, there was  a translation error and in principal the number of the beast is 616.. but who cares.. I am atheist;)

Quote:

Anyway, about this gay thing: Was it the moustache that creeped you out? I was thinking it was more of a heterosexual Dennis Weaver kind of moustache. But maybe in Switzerland, it has a completely different connotation.



moustache is one thing, but his talking (CONTENT and Behavior) was a huge pain in the ass to listen to it.. and he seems gay.. but

as I said, I dont care in general if someone is jewish, catholic whatever.. (I make an exception for Ross Cool ) so he can be gay or not.. thats not my problem.

and JJ.. who am I to decide wheter its good or not.. just an opinion.. maybe its this startwars thing. you are a fan or you hate it. since I know who is under the white robot jackets I love it..

http://place-au-fussoir.blogspirit.com/images/medium_dessous_starwars.jpg

so maybe I have to go deeper and watch the movie again;)

cheers JJ


mmmmmmwaahhhh...


Love you too, Georgie.


You're so adorable when you get your panties all caught up in a tizzy.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: George_ on April 06, 2006, 08:32:29 am
this can turn into a real bitchy thread;)

wait.. I dont know how much you earn by selling your dvds.. but I think its on the positive side.. how much does I earn from beeing in musicindustrie.. hm maybe (minus) - 35'000$ a year;)

so we should stop here, shake hands and have a beer;)

Cool  Cool


but DONT COME CLOSE Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fibes on April 06, 2006, 01:15:06 pm
Umm,

Uh, i'm supposed to know what is going on uh, i dunno.

Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: idiophone on April 06, 2006, 07:09:38 pm
Charles, what I've learned from the DVD is the scope of the freedom in modern mixing. What you're doing is creating a second signal path with each track in the mix, via the distortion enhancements, DUY tape stuff, etc. I was a little too rigid with my rules before, thinking "well, I recorded that with tubes in it before, so I don't need it now", but I learned through MILAR that anything really, truly does go.

Thanks!
~id
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 06, 2006, 07:16:09 pm
I've never seen Charles Dye's DVD, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fletcher on April 06, 2006, 07:54:19 pm
Well golly George... you're up to 668 posts now [the neighbor of the beast]...

Should I be paying attention to this thread?

Would someone be kind enough to PM me a synopsis before I shut this down Very Happy  Rolling Eyes  Twisted Evil  Shocked  Cool
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 06, 2006, 09:36:14 pm
Fletcher, yeah.  Some people like Charles' DVD.  George thinks his moustache and the editing is gay.  
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on April 06, 2006, 11:28:57 pm
myNameIsGeorge wrote on Wed, 05 April 2006 06:42




and JJ.. who am I to decide wheter its good or not.. just an opinion.. maybe its this startwars thing. you are a fan or you hate it. since I know who is under the white robot jackets I love it..

http://place-au-fussoir.blogspirit.com/images/medium_dessous_starwars.jpg

so maybe I have to go deeper and watch the movie again;)

cheers JJ


If you're going to make an attempt at an inteligent analogy using Starwars, you should know the Storm Troopers are clones of Jango Fett... the father of Boba Fett (his personal baby clone. They are not robots!!!  You should watch Episode II, Clone Wars. Sorry, I am a Star Wars nerd. I bought the Japanese box set with all 6. Just watched them all in chronological order.

And , Charles, you're a freaking stud no matter what people in switzerland say!
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: George_ on April 07, 2006, 01:00:59 am
damned brett.. I wanted to calm this thread down Twisted Evil

I dont care IF THEY ARE ROBOTS OR NOT.. AND I DONT HAVE the damned 6 whatever japanese edition with obi wan speaks japanese..

DAMNED THIS WAS A FUKIN JOKE!  Cool
and not people it switzerland think that, I do.. I hate those generalitis..

fletchi-baby.. as the neighbour of the beast and our particular member NR. 666 at GS.com I ask you to close the thread or I will start advertising: mix it like a swiss-underground-cheese-demo featuring the neighbour of the beast and the bad beats.. or something similar Very Happy

and Brett.. always remember: I AM YOUR FATHER Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on April 07, 2006, 04:57:56 am
myNameIsGeorge wrote on Fri, 07 April 2006 06:00

damned brett.. I wanted to calm this thread down Twisted Evil  


I am kidding too, and just laughing along. I thought the DVD's were great given the market and lack of product. I have sat through the drivers saftey video and other training type things, and this by far was the only training video I actually enjoyed.

My question to Charles is, how many freaking mix cards would it take to run all those plugs and aux routings? My mix plus can't even come close!!!
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fenris Wulf on April 07, 2006, 06:29:53 am
If you like Dye's mixes and want to emulate him, you can buy the DVD and learn how he does it. If you think his mixes are tin-eared uncrankable dog poop, you can buy the DVD and learn what NOT to do. Either way, it's a great buy.  Thumbs Up

In a similar vein, word on the street is that George W.'s upcoming autobiography is destined to become a classic textbook on military strategy.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: George_ on April 07, 2006, 06:35:17 am
Quote:

upcoming autobiography is destined to become a classic textbook on military strategy.


how to do it NOT:)

heehe.. coool Cool  Cool
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on April 07, 2006, 10:55:16 pm
you must mean, and to quote GW himself "military stratigery!"
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: archtop on April 17, 2006, 04:54:26 pm
Charles has always taken the high road.


You guys are bustin' on him 'cause of his facial hair and the video editing?


What, you couldn't find any mispelled words in his posts?
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 18, 2006, 12:33:14 am
Wait, we're just ribbing him, or at least I am.  I hope Charles knows that this is good natured.  It's not like the way Ross goes after Albini or anything.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Charles Dye on April 18, 2006, 02:25:51 am
wats rong wiht my speling?
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fibes on April 18, 2006, 12:13:55 pm
I'm laughing a little too much.

Y'all need to stop.




Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on April 19, 2006, 03:39:17 am
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: brett on April 19, 2006, 03:41:06 am
Charles Dye wrote on Tue, 18 April 2006 07:25

wats rong wiht my speling?



hucked on fonics werked 4 me!!!

tooo funny!!!
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: woods on April 22, 2006, 12:12:21 am
Are there any DVDs similar to 'Mix It Like A Record" but deal with mixing with an analog console and outbord gear?

Thanks

Woods
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: Fenris Wulf on April 22, 2006, 05:24:30 am
woods wrote on Sat, 22 April 2006 05:12

Are there any DVDs similar to 'Mix It Like A Record" but deal with mixing with an analog console and outbord gear?


Yeah ... Slipperman's free seminar over on the MARSH. Rambling but informative.

Despite the ribbing, I WAS going to buy Charles' DVD ... until I saw the price and watched the previews. Sorry man, I'm not paying $134 for a Digidesign informercial that spends too much time on basic concepts. Cut out the beginner shit, put it on 1 DVD for $30, and I'd buy it.
Title: Re: "Mix it like a record" DVD?
Post by: rankus on April 23, 2006, 02:21:07 pm
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Sat, 22 April 2006 02:24



... until I saw the price and watched the previews. Sorry man, I'm not paying $134 . Cut out the beginner shit, put it on 1 DVD for $30, and I'd buy it.


Or maybe 35$ ... and I'm in too ... even $59.

People in this industry are poor, you'll sell more at lower prices and probably sell more copies and break even.  But then you have ten times the "word of mouth" and it will snowball... Lower prices = more profit.