Viitalahde wrote on Sat, 03 July 2010 13:23 |
I wouldn't mind it to be more labor intensive, as it would probably not be an everyday thing to operate. |
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What choices are out there? |
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And what are the side effects of getting an older lathe? |
Gold wrote on Sat, 03 July 2010 15:22 |
You might be able to find a Lyric. They were high quality machines with good pitch and depth systems from what I hear. I have no experience with them. Probably with Ortofon electronics and cutter head. |
Viitalahde wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 03:14 |
Yes, I'm aware such a project might just turn into a dump of moving parts that only cut badly distorted audio. It would go by trial and error, but it's always a battle between time and money, and lately I've had more of the latter |
Gold wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 17:45 |
I say jump in with both set or don't jump. If you have more money than time then buy a working system. It will still need work. If you buy a non working lathe you will have bought a hobby. It will take up the time you don't have and end up costing more than buying a working system. |
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If you go with a Presto or a another simple mono cutter then you won't have much trouble. |
dietrich wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 15:34 |
If the VMS70 located already in Finland is working now, at a decent price and you can move it low cost across Finland to you=could be worth your time. |
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Any techs in Finland to help you with other possible issues? You can fly Ivo over from Swiss for a weekend for the setup as well. or Paul Gold |
Bob Olhsson wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 19:02 |
The big expense however is going to be lots of blanks for test cuts because the learning curve is not likely to be trivial without a mentor kicking you in the pants. |
Viitalahde wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 13:27 |
I think they want to use it themselves at Timmion Cutting. http://www.timmion.com/cutting |
Gold wrote on Mon, 05 July 2010 16:25 |
If I was going to DIY it I'd make it dual purpose. Engraving table/ cutting lathe. I think the mechanics of an engraver could be quiet and accurate enough. If you had software that could take a live input you might be able to do automation too. |
Bonati wrote on Tue, 06 July 2010 19:22 |
I guess you just really have to decide if you're interested in cutting lacquers for production or just dubplates / random cuts as a hobby. If the latter is the case then maybe the Vinylium dub cutter is worth a look. It's the only modern plug-n-play lathe I've seen for that application. Supported, too. I wouldn't mess with the Prestos. Beware the lathe trolls that exalt them. |
hnewman wrote on Tue, 06 July 2010 21:30 |
Folks across the road have one of these vinylrecorder things up and running. I believe they've only cut one-offs so far, but it can apparently do lacquers, they are supposed to get back to me with details once they've had one plated. |
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title=Bonati wrote on Tue, 06 July 2010 19:22]I guess you just really have to decide if you're interested in cutting lacquers for production or just dubplates / random cuts as a hobby. |
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If the latter is the case then maybe the Vinylium dub cutter is worth a look. It's the only modern plug-n-play lathe I've seen for that application. Supported, too. I wouldn't mess with the Prestos. Beware the lathe trolls that exalt them. |
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Folks across the road have one of these vinylrecorder things up and running. I believe they've only cut one-offs so far, but it can apparently do lacquers, they are supposed to get back to me with details once they've had one plated. |
bigaudioblowhard wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 14:31 |
I think theres a guy on Lathe Trolls who has a Presto portable with Stereo Vinylium head and amps. |
Gold wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 18:17 |
Maintenance of old junk is a different head space than building stuff. The temptation of 'making it work better' before you understand why it was done the way it was done is hard to resist. It must be resisted. |
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It really is a commitment. It's both fun and a big headache. They go hand in hand. There is no way around it. |
bigaudioblowhard wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 17:46 |
yeah Steve, thats it, badass setup, how long a side ya think that thing cuts? |
Bonati wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 02:22 |
I guess you just really have to decide if you're interested in cutting lacquers for production or just dubplates / random cuts as a hobby. |
TotalSonic wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 21:57 |
http://www.floka.com/lofi/portable_lathe.html |
Viitalahde wrote on Sat, 10 July 2010 09:36 |
am I in the right ballpark if I say I'd need to invest about 20k EUR/USD or more in it if I wanted a working system instead of a project? VMS-66 or 70 for example. |
Gold wrote on Sat, 10 July 2010 19:48 |
I would keep an eye out for a Lyrec. |
Gold wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 00:35 |
PCB's with no solder mask for instance. Not cool for a production unit. |
Gold wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 14:31 |
It was uncoated copper which can and will oxidize. Fine for a prototype. |
Greg Reierson wrote on Fri, 30 July 2010 11:56 |
What do you guys think of the Vinylium pitch system? |
TotalSonic wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 17:16 |
...with fixed pitch as you go to more LPI you have to make sure that your bass and level don't cause overcuts a lot more strictly than what you can get away with when using a pitch/depth computer... |
jason goz wrote on Tue, 10 August 2010 11:31 |
Bob, Are you talking about looking with the naked eye or through the eyepiece/monitor? Jason |
Dominick wrote on Wed, 13 October 2010 17:36 |
Steve, Where did you find the Fairchild? |
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It looks exactly like the one my first boss Bernie Zimney cut on at Delta Recording in 1970. 3 years later we got a Scully / Westrex 3D combo from RCA and that's what I learned on. |
Peter Beckmann wrote on Wed, 13 October 2010 18:20 |
Wow, congrats Steve. Have fun with it! Are you planning to drive up to collect in person? Peter |
bigaudioblowhard wrote on Thu, 14 October 2010 20:55 |
Badass Steve! Congratulations. I watched that auction on ebay, and think you got it for a good price. I fully expected it to go higher. |
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I'll definitely refer you for the next mono project I get. |
Viitalahde wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 15:37 |
I hate all of you, equally. |
Gold wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 21:19 |
Don't forget to include aspirin in the budget. |
TotalSonic wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 17:16 |
even though this system really is only appropriate for shorter sides, I still think being able to offer something with a slightly different sound and a more "retro" vibe than what else is out there might interest some potential clients. |
Bonati wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 21:45 | ||
Ha! Dude, having any kind of lathe in your studio is a "retro vibe", even one of the cutting edge 1970's Neumanns. |
dietrich wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 08:23 |
Are the other vms80/82 on east coast just sterling and masterdisk? |
TotalSonic wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 21:27 |
btw - any suggestions on vacuums? |
TotalSonic wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 17:53 |
and turns out it is capable of continuously variable pitch! |
dietrich wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 08:23 |
Steve, you could of sold a kidney to buy the vms80 in germany. you would of left us vms66/70 guys in the dust. |
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But not 45rpm. |
Gold wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 18:51 |
Ahh, it probably is a second gear and worm step down for 45. It has a single synchronous motor that it uses for both pitch and turntable drive. The pitch uses a planetary drive like a Scully. The Lyrec motor on the Neumann is a multitap synchronous motor. I don't think the speed is very accurate on it. It says it uses a 51:1 step down with a 1500 rpm motor. Unless my math and thinking are wrong (which it quite possibly is) this gives you a speed of 29.41 rpm for 33 1/3 rpm. Edit: Strange because a 45:1 ratio would give you 33.33. I must be doing something stupid. Please, someone correct my math. |
Andrew Hamilton wrote on Sun, 17 October 2010 00:58 |
Hearkens back to the 500 Ohm transmission protocol... At +/- 2 dB from 30-8,000 cycles, it's yet another reason the hype about SACD was over-rated. |
TotalSonic wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 23:27 |
ummmm - actually on the first page of the pdf it says 1800rpm with a 54:1 ratio for the stepdown - which according to my calculator gives you 33-1/3 |
dietrich wrote on Sun, 17 October 2010 10:48 |
1-you have some beefy friends to get it from street up to your place? |
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2-will you have to build a platform to reduce vibrations? |
TotalSonic wrote on Sun, 17 October 2010 01:24 | ||
You can say that again! Luckily the cutter head described in that pdf is not the one I plan to use with this lathe. Best regards, Steve Berson |
TotalSonic wrote on Sun, 17 October 2010 18:26 |
Yes, I will. Any advice anyone wants to contribute regarding this is appreciated! |
Allen Corneau wrote on Mon, 15 November 2010 07:35 |
Damn, $57K for two line amps?!? |
pmx wrote on Tue, 28 December 2010 09:57 |
i'd love to hear more about it steve, keep us posted! |
bigaudioblowhard wrote on Tue, 28 December 2010 15:22 |
Cool band playing the 30th in Hollywood Steve, if ya wanna go, I'll buy ya a drink! Steve is also posting about his new rig on Lathe Trolls, for those who wanna follow closely. bab |
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 12 January 2011 18:21 |
Hey Steve, can you start a new thread about your lathe and give us an update? I'm curious to see this thing come to life... |