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Title: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Paul Gasztold on October 21, 2008, 09:40:09 pm
I was wondering if anyone has had experience using the AK47 Telefunken RTF mic.  

I'd be very interested to know which preamps are recommended as a great match for this particular microphone.

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Application: male vocal ( mine ) in pop music and/or classical musical genres.  


I've chosen the AK47 mic because I love how it sounds with my voice, nothing edgy to it at all, it seems to smooth out the things I didn't like to hear.

I've been using a 737 Avalon ( got it because I love Lisa Gerrard's vocals and this is what she uses. ).  I like the 737 because it doesn't seem to alter the sound much.  But I feel like I'm missing something, a presence or something that I think another pre will give me.  I believe a Solid State sound might be a better choice for me.

Any recommendations?  

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Budget: up to $2000.   Less is better!


Here's what I've listened to so far:

Portico:  too coloured for my application
Millenia:  seemed too clean for my application
Great River:  I didn't like the 'forwardness' of this pre at all
A-designs Pacifica: a bit too saturated and too bright for me
UA 610:  nice but there was a little bit of an edge I believe

Any recommendations from those who have used or know the mic well?

Thanks in advance
Paul Gasztold


You can hear my recent vocals at :  

www.mysticalmusicoftheheart.com
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on October 21, 2008, 10:38:05 pm
I've got an AK-47 too...I haven't picked up
my preamp for it either...but your saying yada
preamp is too colored...bada preamp is too
edgy...wada preamp is too clean...and the
other one is too forward. You might be SOL,
but have you tried an M5 or an 8300, or
an NPNG? I have none of those, but I think
thats all there is left...just kidding....
but seriously...you might consider an MSS10.
But hope someone can help if I haven't.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: itsapleasure on November 10, 2008, 03:29:06 pm
those are all good pres.

maybe it's the mic??
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Stephen Payne on November 10, 2008, 06:10:04 pm
With all the settings available on the Great River I can't see how it would't work for you. Did you spend much time with it??
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Hank Alrich on November 11, 2008, 02:14:23 am
Suggestion: Try a Gordon Model 4.

Comment: I, too, have difficulty aligning my experience of the Great River NV with your remark. Yeah, maybe we all hear differently, but that is one very flexible preamp.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: A.J. on November 11, 2008, 10:18:22 am
Hi Paul,

Have you had a chance to demo an API or a Daking?

Best Regards,
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: seedyunderbelly.com on November 12, 2008, 12:17:20 pm
I think that the API will be to forward for you also.

Try a Helios reissue

-j
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: jonathan jetter on November 15, 2008, 01:37:51 am
i think the Avalon is pretty jive.

i think the Portico, Millenia, and Great River are all wonderful preamps.  i've not heard the A-designs but have heard very good things from friends.  the UA i think is pretty lame.

but really-

you're trying so many preamps and you aren't totally happy.

maybe the mic isn't the right mic for you.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Galil on November 17, 2008, 09:50:10 am
There have been some very good suggestions, so far.  As a point of disclosure, I have not tried the Telefunken AK47, so I can not give any advise concerning that microphone.  

Concerning microphone pres, you might want to try/rent a few channels of John Hardy's pre.  It is not clinical and also not overly colored which seems to be the balance you seek.

I am wondering if a high quality analog EQ or compressor might help you get the rest of the way.  You have experience with a broad range of very high quality pre-amps which I would expect to provide excellent results.

Galil  
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: theo mack on November 25, 2008, 06:25:20 pm
I recently used that mic for male vocals.
It was very good with a john hardy m1.
Also used it via 1 ch of a cranesong spider. That was really good.
Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on January 20, 2009, 11:14:37 pm
I really like it with the Daking single channel with the HP, and I'm using Accusound Silver cables.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: wwittman on January 21, 2009, 08:54:18 pm
Paul Gasztold wrote on Tue, 21 October 2008 21:40

I was wondering if anyone has had experience using the AK47 Telefunken RTF mic.  

I'd be very interested to know which preamps are recommended as a great match for this particular microphone.



whatever high quality mic pre, in the desk preferably, that you are recording the entire rest of the record through.


the mic, the genre have NO bearing on mic pre selection
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Fig on January 22, 2009, 01:47:10 pm
Hi Paul,

You wrote:

Paul Gasztold wrote on Tue, 21 October 2008 20:40



I've chosen the AK47 mic because I love how it sounds with my voice,


Which pre did you employ to draw this conclusion??

I'm not familiar with the mic you are using but... perhaps you're using it wrong?  Each of those pres you listed should work just fine.

ADDED:  +1 (2?) for the Hardy M1.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: compasspnt on January 22, 2009, 06:41:52 pm
Khaoz wrote on Thu, 22 January 2009 17:02

Please ignore this post.



What post?
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: wwittman on January 22, 2009, 10:44:51 pm
Paul Gasztold wrote on Tue, 21 October 2008 21:40

...

I've chosen the AK47 mic because I love how it sounds with my voice, nothing edgy to it at all, it seems to smooth out the things I didn't like to hear.

I've been using a 737 Avalon ... I like the 737 because it doesn't seem to alter the sound much.  But I feel like I'm missing something, a presence or something that I think another pre will give me.  I believe a Solid State sound might be a better choice for me.




if you like the Avalon but you feel it's just "missing something, a presence or something..."

perhaps the simplest, best answer is +1 at 10k with a shelf? instead of another expensive mic pre


Paul Gasztold wrote on Tue, 21 October 2008 21:40

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a presence or something that I think another pre will give me.  I believe a Solid State sound might be a better choice for me.



what basis do you have for this 'belief'?


Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: pete andrews on February 02, 2009, 08:39:01 pm
Quote:

perhaps the simplest, best answer is +1 at 10k with a shelf? instead of another expensive mic pre



WW just saved you a couple grand. really.

-pete
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Trumpetman2 on May 13, 2009, 08:02:15 am
itsapleasure wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 15:29

those are all good pres.

maybe it's the mic??



I had that mic and found it to be junk.  Sold it cheap real quick.  Bought an M-Audio Sputnik and it runs rings around the AK-47......at 1/3 the cost....go figure!
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Strummer on May 13, 2009, 09:02:14 am
I have one which most of the time goes through a Daking, works well for most things I need, among them acoustic guitar, male vox. Placement rather than eq, you know the story.

Tracks stack nicely

Go figure...

Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: mixwell on May 28, 2009, 10:41:09 am
Depends what texture your looking to get, versus the way the microphone's amplifier sounds on your source. Matching mics to pres is really as easy to using an XLR wire, as in they are all acceptable in amplifying any microphone. At the end of the day, its really only about texture desired for the sound, or personal preference for the tonality hitting the deck. Sometimes I patch the AK47 right into the recorder, [depending on the app] or right into a compressor and skip the preamp. That microphone has a serious real deal amp circuit, and I personally think it sounds awesome for everything I've tried with it. I think microphone placement will always trump the choice of preamp used. Lately, I've been digging the API 7600 Channel strip with the AK47, as you can bend the ___ out of the tone and come up smelling like roses. I think a lot of people brought up good choices and recommendations to try, but perhaps if NONE of these preamplifier's do the job, you are amplifying the wrong microphone. Its definitely something to think about, as you will find no better EQ/Processor than swapping the microphone out for a better one that gels with the sound/response of the source you are pointing it at. I've been re-discovering why I like the M16 Mk2 for certain applications, opposed to the Ak47.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Paul Gasztold on May 29, 2009, 11:56:08 pm
Update on preamp for AK47

A year after writing my original post:

I'm loving my AK47.  My Avalon 737 sounds absolutely wonderful to my ears with the mic.  

Solution: there was nothing at all wrong in the pre or the mic,
I was looking at the gear for the sound when it needed to come from my voice.  Just looking in the wrong places.

Now I'm loving it the combination.  

Use the UAD fairchild compressor and Princeton Digital Stereo room reverb and I'm loving my voice through this combo.

Thanks everyone who posted.  Much appreciated.

best
Paul

Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: wwittman on May 30, 2009, 12:46:37 pm
mixwell wrote on Thu, 28 May 2009 10:41

Matching mics to pres is really as easy to using an XLR wire, as in they are all acceptable in amplifying any microphone. At the end of the day, its really only about texture desired for the sound, or personal preference for the tonality hitting the deck...


"Matching" mics to pres is inherently a ridiculous concept.

It's imaginary thinking.


Paul Gasztold wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 23:56


Solution: there was nothing at all wrong in the pre or the mic,
I was looking at the gear for the sound when it needed to come from my voice.  Just looking in the wrong places.




there you go.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: mixwell on June 01, 2009, 10:19:07 pm
wwittman wrote on Sat, 30 May 2009 11:46

It's imaginary thinking.


Mikes and Pres go together like Pea's and Pod's!

This Imaginary thinking, brought to you by Mixwell.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on June 04, 2009, 10:36:53 am
Though I don't speak from vast experience in regard to
mic matching to a preamp or preamp matching to a microphone, I understand that having a number of different preamps to try behind a particular microphone may make the sound that microphone captures quite different than another preamp does and it is then up to the user to decide which sounds best to them for a particular source.You then carve throughout your mix with EQ to get everything in it's proper frequency space? This would slow the mixing process, but isn't this part of the fun?

I also see the point of view of the opposition to this idea of matching microphones to preamps, wherein if I understand correctly, it is suggested to find a single make and model of preamp that you like the sound of generally, and use it on every source you record. If you don't like the sound of a source, then change the microphone positon or get a different mic to use on that source. In the end mixing will be easier somehow. I'm not sure as o why. I'm guessing EQ will be needed much less? This makes mixing all the tracks easier? I certainly see how it would make mixing faster, by not having to go through a bunch of tracks, back and forth, EQing this and that, and back again. A headache?
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: ricknroll on June 09, 2009, 12:41:16 am
wwittman wrote on Sat, 30 May 2009 09:46


"Matching" mics to pres is inherently a ridiculous concept.

It's imaginary thinking.

Well, not if you're in the business of selling preamps...
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: wwittman on June 14, 2009, 12:30:01 pm
exactly

or magazines


Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: thedoc on July 18, 2009, 11:29:43 am
By the time you've tried every possible combination, your artist has died of old age.

Experimenting like that does have some value when starting out and learning but don't subject an artist/victim to that.
Title: Re: Which preamp for AK47 Telefunken RTF mic?
Post by: AfSouth on November 06, 2009, 09:58:34 am
When I got to use the AK47 in the studio on some sessions — I found it solved a lot of problems, and gave a lot of desired characteristics.
The AK47 is not bright.
It's not harsh.
Has great color, and a nice silky sheen across the midrange, with air on top.

Daking was the pre.