Post by: C.Cash on April 09, 2009, 03:55:34 PM
Any information would be helpful.
Thanks.
Post by: Jay Kadis on April 10, 2009, 10:09:16 AM
Pin 2 - Receive data (-)
Pin 3 - Transmit data (+)
Pin 4 - Transmit common
Pin 5 - Isolated Supply + voltage
Pin 6 - Receive common
Pin 7 - Receive data
Pin 8 - Transmit data (-)
Pin 9 - Isolated supply ground
| 5 4 3 2 1 |
| . 9 8 7 6 |
Post by: zmix on April 10, 2009, 10:34:17 AM
| C.Cash wrote on Thu, 09 April 2009 15:55 |
I need to find information on the DB25 cable that connects the Lexicon 224 to the remote. A pinout diagram would be perfect. Any information would be helpful. Thanks. |
The DB25 from the original 224 (Pre Larc),
or the DB9 from the Larc?
Post by: C.Cash on April 10, 2009, 11:33:17 AM
Thanks.
Post by: John Monforte on April 11, 2009, 12:06:52 PM
Post by: C.Cash on April 11, 2009, 02:05:42 PM
That is what the guy at Redco also said.
Thanks!
Post by: compasspnt on April 12, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
I didn't have a cable with this unit, so took the known good one from my "first" 224, a unit that works perfectly.
Even with that cable, the "unused" remote will not respond. The main unit powers up, and seems normal (haven't been able to try to listen to it yet).
Anything jump out as obvious problem?
Might the "unused" unit be usable as 'default reverb,' even without remote?
Post by: C.Cash on April 15, 2009, 10:00:17 AM
Thanks.
Post by: ssltech on April 15, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
The cable? -yes.
The 224? -no. -Not since Jim Fabiano stopped.
Keith
Post by: compasspnt on April 15, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
This is an extra 224 that I have here, and was trying to get it working for Clifford's studio.
I have a working 224, 224XL, and 200.
Tried my known-working cable and remote with this unit, and still no joy in remoteville.
Will do some testing to see it it spits out a "default setting" reverberation, even without the remote working...
Post by: ssltech on April 15, 2009, 02:25:59 PM
-IIRC they may have been some backup-battery-related corrosion issues, although it's been a LONG time since I ever had to look inside 'one o'dem dere yuunits' (In my best "Fim Fabiaaaaaaaaaaano" 'Baaastan' accent!)
Keith
Post by: compasspnt on April 15, 2009, 04:30:47 PM
Will check this out!
Post by: C.Cash on April 16, 2009, 07:46:19 AM
Tom Maguire 718-216-3636
TMI Engineering
283 West 261st St
Basement Rear Fieldston Rd Gate
Bronx, NY 10471-1143
I got his name off of a forum and e-mailed him, he responded and said he does repair them.
Thanks.
Post by: C.Cash on April 19, 2009, 04:59:08 PM
Post by: cgc on April 22, 2009, 08:27:59 PM
Post by: zmix on May 02, 2009, 05:46:08 PM
Post by: C.Cash on May 08, 2009, 10:18:13 AM
I really hope he can get it up and running,everything I have read and heard tells me this is truly an incredible piece of gear. D-Verb ain't doin it for me. I will keep my fingers crossed.
Post by: ssltech on May 08, 2009, 10:55:03 AM
| C.Cash wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 10:18 |
everything I have read and heard tells me this is truly an incredible piece of gear. |
Well, ANYTHING is better than D-verb...
But I never liked much about the 224. Now the 224XL was a WONDERFUL thing, but a completely different piece.
Keith
Post by: compasspnt on May 08, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
| ssltech wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 10:55 | ||
Well, ANYTHING is better than D-verb... But I never liked much about the 224. Now the 224XL was a WONDERFUL thing, but a completely different piece. Keith |
Interesting, because I always had the opposite reaction...liked the 224, didn't care as much for the X, or esp the XL.
Whatever Works, as they say!
Post by: ssltech on May 08, 2009, 01:47:35 PM
Like the PCM80, NOTHING does what the XL did to a piano, when you rolled in a 'chorus' parameter setting of 54-56 in a reverb tail. (settings 00-50 did NOTHING, and settings 60 and up were preposterous, but the mid-fifties brought GLORY to so many things!) I never -ever- (not even once) met a 224 which had that ability... but then this was the luscious excess of the 1980's, and I was addicted to that box as most Los Angeles hair-rock producers were to cocaine...
The 480 removed that parameter, and was the first step backwards after MANY steps forward, for Lexicon.
...To my ears at least.
Keith
Post by: compasspnt on May 08, 2009, 01:59:54 PM
Those are things I just don't care about.
I always just wanted it to sound like reverberation.
Post by: ssltech on May 08, 2009, 02:43:35 PM
| compasspnt wrote |
I always just wanted it to sound like reverberation. |
C'mon... these were the EIGHTIES!!!
See Terry; -It's this sort of dogged stubbornness which has ALWAYS limited your prospects!
(...just kidding... of course!)
Keef
Post by: zmix on May 08, 2009, 03:03:27 PM
I am completely with you in terms of the 'chorusing' parameter, but I believe that this was a part of the original 224 "Large Concert Hall" algo???
Lexicon apparently ported the 224 algos to the PCM-70 and it certainly has that parameter in the hall...certainly my favorite part of the 1980s, too..!
Post by: compasspnt on May 08, 2009, 06:50:04 PM
AMS NonLin though...
Post by: ssltech on May 08, 2009, 10:57:28 PM
| zmix wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 15:03 |
Keith, I am completely with you in terms of the 'chorusing' parameter, but I believe that this was a part of the original 224 "Large Concert Hall" algo??? |
You may of course be quite right, but I don't think that I ever discovered it, and I did go looking on the couple which I encountered. I'm inclined to suspect that not all of the programs may have had it?
-By the time of the mature 224XL software versions however, they had built it into the rooms, the halls, the plates, -everything. The 224XL also had some nice 'splits' which allowed TWO full stereo output reverbs from the one box. -Again, in the "gotta have more reverb choices" 1980's, this played well with most of the producers for whom I twisted dials.
The PCM80 acted in precisely the same way, so I'm not surprised to hear that it may have been a direct cross-port. I do love me some PCM80!
Keith
Post by: zmix on May 09, 2009, 06:29:06 PM
| ssltech wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 22:57 | ||
You may of course be quite right, but I don't think that I ever discovered it, and I did go looking on the couple which I encountered. I'm inclined to suspect that not all of the programs may have had it? -By the time of the mature 224XL software versions however, they had built it into the rooms, the halls, the plates, -everything. The 224XL also had some nice 'splits' which allowed TWO full stereo output reverbs from the one box. -Again, in the "gotta have more reverb choices" 1980's, this played well with most of the producers for whom I twisted dials. The PCM80 acted in precisely the same way, so I'm not surprised to hear that it may have been a direct cross-port. I do love me some PCM80! Keith |
Post by: Phil Mayor on May 09, 2009, 07:20:44 PM
| ssltech wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 18:47 |
Oh wow... Maybe we experienced completely different software versions or something, but for me the 220XL was THE sound of Dave Bascombe/Trevor Horn/Steve Lipson/Julian Mendelsohn mixes in the 1980's. Like the PCM80, NOTHING does what the XL did to a piano, when you rolled in a 'chorus' parameter setting of 54-56 in a reverb tail. (settings 00-50 did NOTHING, and settings 60 and up were preposterous, but the mid-fifties brought GLORY to so many things!) I never -ever- (not even once) met a 224 which had that ability... but then this was the luscious excess of the 1980's, and I was addicted to that box as most Los Angeles hair-rock producers were to cocaine... The 480 removed that parameter, and was the first step backwards after MANY steps forward, for Lexicon. ...To my ears at least. Keith |
Totally with you Keith, the 224XL is still my favourite reverb box. Luscious is the right word. Never liked the 480L for reverb, really underwhelming box for me. I like it for everything but reverb.
Terry: I used the Non-lin AMS program just the other day on snare, sounded great...though a little more subtle on the send than the 80's
Post by: compasspnt on May 09, 2009, 07:33:02 PM
| Phil Mayor wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 19:20 |
Terry: I used the Non-lin AMS program just the other day on snare, sounded great...though a little more subtle on the send that the 80's |
Ha.
Yes, the AMS is really a good little box; the Ambience setting is a nice one too.
I feel so lucky reverb-wise here to have two of the AMS, the Lex 224/224X/200/etc. (but TLA now has my old XL), 4 EMT plates, EMT 250, and my custom chambers.
No need for plug-ins!
Post by: Phil Mayor on May 10, 2009, 09:55:31 AM
Post by: ssltech on May 10, 2009, 10:51:12 AM
I meant PCM70. NOT PCM-80
Please accept my apple-hoagies.
There was more than one iteration of the nonlin algorithm, as well as reverse. -'Nonlin' was a mono reverb on one output, and a ragged series of reflections on the other. "Nonlin-2" was the stereo reverb. -The same also applies to "Reverse" and Reverse-2".
Our RMX-16's were nearly ALWAYS used on programs 1 or 8 -Ambience or nonlin. very occasionally, I used to sneak the 'room' on a couple of things, as a subtle way of altering their sonic signature without screaming 'reverb' or 'efffect'. -It's a nice, under-used way to change something's "place" in the mix, but you can't use it on many things. -That was my only other use for the AMS, and it was EXTREMELY occasional.
Keith
Post by: compasspnt on May 10, 2009, 04:28:00 PM
One and eight.
RMX was not a plate.
As for which Nonlin was great,
I meant -2, too.
Post by: zmix on May 23, 2009, 02:31:44 PM
No appy-polly-lodgies needed... I assumed that you meant 70, just wanted to check..!
As for the ORIGINAL 224... here are the hoops you needed to jump through to get a little swarble (aka chorusing)...
It was a hidden function which they called "mode enhancement", presumably because it alter the standing waves (aka modes) in the algos:
Post by: C.Cash on June 03, 2009, 01:30:37 PM
I really really hope this guy can get it up and running, will be a great piece of gear to use.
Post by: compasspnt on June 03, 2009, 03:54:01 PM
Post by: MI on June 03, 2009, 04:35:12 PM
Post by: ssltech on June 03, 2009, 04:37:21 PM
(darned plumbing!)
Post by: C.Cash on June 12, 2009, 12:04:35 PM
I sent
Tom Maguire 718-216-3636
TMI Engineering
283 West 261st St
Basement Rear Fieldston Rd Gate
Bronx, NY 10471-1143
$250.00 via PayPal as requested by
Tom Maguire 718-216-3636
TMI Engineering
283 West 261st St
Basement Rear Fieldston Rd Gate
Bronx, NY 10471-1143
But now I cannot get in touch with him via e-mail or telephone.
In his defence though his answering machine is full so my guess is that he is just not there.Vacation perhaps?
So the 224 is still sitting in my office.
Post by: zmix on June 12, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
I know a guy here in NYC who had been in touch with Tom Maguire and suddenly could not reach him...
He said that Mr. Maguire had suffered a death in his family and was unreachable for the time being.
Did the payment get accepted by him?
| C.Cash wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 12:04 |
Update; I sent Tom Maguire 718-216-3636 TMI Engineering 283 West 261st St Basement Rear Fieldston Rd Gate Bronx, NY 10471-1143 $250.00 via PayPal as requested by Tom Maguire 718-216-3636 TMI Engineering 283 West 261st St Basement Rear Fieldston Rd Gate Bronx, NY 10471-1143 But now I cannot get in touch with him via e-mail or telephone. In his defence though his answering machine is full so my guess is that he is just not there.Vacation perhaps? So the 224 is still sitting in my office. |
Post by: C.Cash on June 12, 2009, 03:58:37 PM
I have a transaction ID # from PayPal.
I kinda figured something like that.
Post by: C.Cash on June 18, 2009, 10:21:04 AM
Back on track, the 224 will be leaving for the Bronx NY this afternoon via FedEx.
THINK POSITIVE !
I would hate to spend all this money just to be told the unit cannot be repaired. I have no idea what FedEx will charge but its a really big box and im sure it weighs 40lbs.
Post by: compasspnt on June 18, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
Post by: C.Cash on June 18, 2009, 02:25:08 PM
Post by: C.Cash on June 19, 2009, 08:01:52 AM
FedEx is expensive BUT really fast.
Yesterday they picked up the 224 from my office around 3pm, I just checked the track # and its at the sorting desk in Jamaica NY at 6.58am this morning. Tom Maguire will probably get it this afternoon!
Amazing!
THINKING POSITIVE
Post by: C.Cash on June 19, 2009, 10:37:04 AM
Absolutely amazing! Bravo FedEx!
Now I,m biting my nails.
PLEASE WORK PLEASE WORK PLEASE WORK..........
Post by: C.Cash on June 24, 2009, 08:44:42 AM
POSITIVE THOUGHTS PLEASE
Post by: zmix on June 24, 2009, 09:45:01 AM
Post by: cgc on June 24, 2009, 11:23:57 AM
PS - I still haven't decided whether or not to send him my Primetime II.
Post by: C.Cash on June 24, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
Im actually at the beginning of re-doing my control room.
Now that I have used it I want to change a few things around.
Gotta call Redco and get some new DB25 cables made up.
Im slowly running out of space.
Where will it end??
Post by: C.Cash on July 17, 2009, 06:24:46 PM
I spoke to Tom before I went on vacation.
He told me that he had not looked at the unit yet but would soon get to it. I told him no worries I was going away for 2 weeks and would call when I get back.
I'm going home tomorrow and will try to reach him on Monday.
Post by: cgc on August 03, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
Post by: C.Cash on August 04, 2009, 11:29:40 AM
I will call today.
Thanks.
Post by: C.Cash on August 11, 2009, 09:33:31 AM
No returned calls or e-mails.
Post by: C.Cash on September 04, 2009, 10:13:48 AM
No return calls.
Starting to get worried.
Going on 4 months.
Post by: zmix on September 05, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
Post by: C.Cash on September 05, 2009, 04:15:01 PM
Post by: cgc on September 13, 2009, 08:48:19 PM
Post by: C.Cash on September 16, 2009, 11:56:40 AM
I e mail.
Nothing !
WTF
I really hate getting ripped off.
Post by: zmix on September 18, 2009, 11:10:43 AM
Sorry to hear... the last I spoke to Tom, he told me that your unit was number 15 in the queue....
Look at it this way, not only is your 224 a great reverb, now it's also a long delay...
Post by: compasspnt on September 18, 2009, 11:37:12 AM
Post by: C.Cash on October 02, 2009, 04:27:57 PM
Tom sent an email apologising for not responding.
He says he is swamped with work and for me to hang on.
No problem!
I feel much better now.
Post by: compasspnt on October 12, 2009, 12:48:48 AM
But he does have a big backlog on the bench right now, so until that clears, things will take a bit of time to complete.
And remember, many of these units could be simply unrepairable.
Oh, by the way, he sends a photo message...
Signed, Tom.
Post by: C.Cash on October 14, 2009, 07:53:11 AM
I really really hope he can get it up and running, otherwise I may have to do something with my hallway.
The wife will be soooo happy...........Not!
Thanks.
Post by: meverylame on August 25, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
Post by: C.Cash on September 13, 2010, 02:25:51 PM
Cant get through on the phone and no emails answered.
Post by: John Monforte on September 14, 2010, 08:58:02 AM
Sorry to hear about the neglect you are receiving.
I re-read the thread and saw that you had no signal and no remote action. This is probably due to the cheap connectors in the power supply. Mine had this too. It isn't a big deal to fix.
If you ever get yours back, I can have a look at it for you.
Good Luck!
Post by: radardoug on September 14, 2010, 03:38:41 PM
You are making all us repair people look bad.
I know Lexicons are difficult to work on, but if you have a problem, talk to your client. The client has the right to take his unit away if you are not going to follow through. I note you are advertising Lexicon repairs, if you can't do them for whatever reason then man up.
Post by: C.Cash on September 15, 2010, 08:01:45 PM
| John Monforte wrote on Tue, 14 September 2010 07:58 |
Clifford, Sorry to hear about the neglect you are receiving. I re-read the thread and saw that you had no signal and no remote action. This is probably due to the cheap connectors in the power supply. Mine had this too. It isn't a big deal to fix. If you ever get yours back, I can have a look at it for you. Good Luck! |
Thanks,
If I do get in touch with him I will ask for it back.
Post by: compasspnt on September 15, 2010, 09:51:36 PM
Come on Tom McGuire.
| compasspnt wrote on Mon, 12 October 2009 00:48 |
I met Tom McGuire at AES today, and I can now assure everyone that he is completely serious about repairing the Lexicon stuff...seems very knowledgeable. But he does have a big backlog on the bench right now, so until that clears, things will take a bit of time to complete. And remember, many of these units could be simply unrepairable. Oh, by the way, he sends a photo message... Signed, Tom. |
Post by: cgc on September 18, 2010, 05:11:18 PM
Post by: radardoug on September 21, 2010, 03:24:24 AM
Post by: meverylame on September 21, 2010, 10:39:33 PM
http://www.lenham.clara.net/sound/lexicon224p1.html
Post by: Lawrence Sanchez on January 02, 2011, 08:47:03 PM
---Long post explaining similar frustrations with trying to have a 480-L repaired.---
Post by: bruno putzeys on January 03, 2011, 03:17:37 AM
Post by: compasspnt on January 03, 2011, 08:37:47 AM
I hereby publicly urge Tom Maguire to contact Clifford, Lawrence, and any others waiting.
Lexicon repair threatens to become a lost art. Tom Maguire, people need you.
Post by: Lawrence Sanchez on January 03, 2011, 09:41:53 AM
Suffice it to say here then that it's been over 2 years since I sent my Lexicon 480-L to Tom for repair and he hasn't returned it. My requests for him to send it back to me have been ignored and it's been months since he's responded to my emails and phone calls.
Post by: bruno putzeys on January 03, 2011, 10:48:41 AM
That should separate the issue of getting the units repaired from the issue of getting the still-unrepaired units back.
The story, to me sounds like a case of burnout. Burnout sufferers behave precisely like what I've seen described here.
Post by: radardoug on January 03, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
I have made it a bit of a speciality to mend Lexicons, AMS's, and all that pesky old gear. Nothing's beaten me yet!