ssltech wrote on Sat, 11 December 2010 12:25 |
That's why this ready availability and Wikileak-like 'sharing' crushes our souls, little by little. |
ssltech wrote on Sat, 11 December 2010 12:25 |
Imagine how much 'Better' the Beatles would sound with Melodyne and beat-detective. Keith |
ssltech wrote on Sat, 11 December 2010 09:25 |
Actually, the source of several of these has been discussed before on PSW... -The Stevie Wonder Superstition, Queen Bohemian Rhapsody, along with several tuens from the Doobie Brothers' and Marvin Gaye apparently all were disseminated via bit torrent sites, or whatever Napster-like tendrils. I remember postulating my view that -while it can be educational and instructive to examine the multitracks ALONG WITH THE COMPLETED MIX- as an insight to lots of things like balance methods, tricks, and all sorts of other stuff like control room leakage, and how the significant-versus-insignificant balance plays out. -But that it also allows some people to 'play' at having 'power' which is somewhat beyond their entitlement insofar as their experience allows. The Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder etc have been out for several years; this is simply a slight agglomeration and -sadly in my view- just spreads this even further. For so many of these sessions, the MAGIC was what was happening AT THE TIME, and even the same people wouldn't produce the SAME magic at a later date, so the point of playing with these multitracks, and trying to 'improve' upon original mixes (which I hear CONSTANTLY discussed among the younger breed of 'new' engineers) by using modern tools and available technology (think beat-detective, auto-tune, and their like) would -in most cases- be like trying to 'improve' on the Mona Lisa because we have modern paints which are smoother and easier to work with the brush... I mean... Imagine how much 'Better' the Beatles would sound with Melodyne and beat-detective. That's why this ready availability and Wikileak-like 'sharing' crushes our souls, little by little. Keith |
bblackwood wrote on Sat, 11 December 2010 22:05 |
Refuse to listen to them... |
Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 09 December 2010 18:02 |
I don't know if it's legal and I can't imagine the commercial impact, but from an educational standpoint it's a great teaching tool for both music and technology... |
Barry Hufker wrote on Sun, 12 December 2010 22:25 |
Like all tools, having access to the multi-track masters isn't evil in and of itself, it is what is done with that access. My goal is education. |
Samc wrote | ||
How so? |
ssltech wrote |
...it can be educational and instructive to examine the multitracks ALONG WITH THE COMPLETED MIX- as an insight to lots of things like balance methods, tricks, and all sorts of other stuff like control room leakage, and how the significant-versus-insignificant balance plays out. |
Barry Hufker wrote |
It is like an autopsy or forensic anthropology. My students and I can dissect a recording, analyze each part, hear what was sung/played and then see how it assembles back into the whole. |
ssltech wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 15:49 |
Sadly however, most students merely 'seize' upon these downloads, pull out a plum, and say "what a good boy am I" |
Barry Hufker wrote on Sun, 12 December 2010 23:25 |
It is like an autopsy or forensic anthropology. My students and I can dissect a recording, analyze each part, hear what was sung/played and then see how it assembles back into the whole. Like all tools, having access to the multi-track masters isn't evil in and of itself, it is what is done with that access. My goal is education. Barry |
bblackwood wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 09:05 |
What you're doing with it is great - far better than most |
ScotcH wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 09:44 |
To me most of these sounds like crap ... just ripepd from guitar here/rock band. They're just sub mixes anyway, with the effects already printed, right? I suppose it's kinda fun to listen to, but it's not like these are the oringinal recorded tracks that one can "remix" for fun, practice, or sale, or whatever. I suppose it is interresting to hear that many of the tracks are far from perfect in the performance, noises, and glitches way ... I guess that IS eductational to students of the art (ie, don't sweat the small stuff if the take is great!). |