Post by: breathe on January 21, 2011, 08:50:44 PM
Nicholas
Post by: ssltech on January 21, 2011, 10:21:33 PM
If you care that much about the hi-hat...
...
There might be something wrong with the MUSIC.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on January 21, 2011, 10:31:15 PM
cheers
Post by: marcel on January 21, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
Post by: compasspnt on January 22, 2011, 12:14:12 AM
Post by: zakco on January 22, 2011, 02:37:27 AM
| compasspnt wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 21:14 |
What is a hi hat mic? |
One that gets hidden up hi, in a hat.
Post by: Ryan Massey on January 22, 2011, 03:14:16 AM
Period.
I would still love to give the 69 a whirl, though.
Post by: johnR on January 22, 2011, 07:13:02 AM
| compasspnt wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 05:14 |
What is a hi hat mic? |
It's the one you turn up very loud in the drummer's headphone mix to make him play it more quietly.
Post by: gslaw on January 22, 2011, 01:16:03 PM
Post by: OOF! on January 22, 2011, 05:03:25 PM
Still if I'm using a pair of coles for OH i will put a spot on the hat, just in case......
David
Post by: MagnetoSound on January 22, 2011, 07:51:20 PM
| OOF! wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 22:03 |
it's always refreshing to listen to some 60/70s recordings like CSNY and realize that one of the reasons i enjoy the sound so much is that there's often no hi hat being played. Leaves so much space in the arrangement. |
Very +1. The trouble I've had when I've suggested this to bands - they freak out, most of 'em! No hi-hat??
And I don't (just) mean the drummers.
Post by: QUEEF BAG on January 22, 2011, 10:47:17 PM
when an old jazz cat comes in and asks if i'm gonna
mic his sock, i just smile and say
"of course"
frickin' hated that trashy van halen open hat shit,
and then everyone started doin' it
Post by: Fletcher on January 23, 2011, 01:31:46 AM
| compasspnt wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 00:14 |
What is a hi hat mic? |
Due resect - but of all people who might have responded to this thread I would have expected you to understand just how important great capture of a great drummers playing of the H/H is to the groove of a song.
The H/H [at least to me] is as important as the kik and snare. It is THE element of groove for a great drummer that separates the men from the boys.
The capture of that element of the kit is [to me] of paramount importance... its why Charlie Watts is a genius - it is why Bernard Purdie is a king, why Steve Gadd is to be revered. It is the soul of the instrument we call drums - and why the KM-69 was commissioned to see the light of day.
Hearing - or more importantly "feeling" the hat in the groove is [to me] of such importance that if anyone has to ask the question of why it is important that they should seek a living in the provision of plumbing supplies.
The primary reason the KM-69 came to be was to capture H/H.... if you see no reason to this then I suggest you question the majority of your career which [at least from the highlights that have inspired me to aspire to excellence in my albeit minor career] brought you to the the status you have achieved.
High hat - albeit an unknown part of the kit to the great majority of listeners - is the key to the feel of the groove -- or at least it is in my world, and as always YMMV.
Peace.
Post by: compasspnt on January 23, 2011, 03:03:37 AM
Post by: Fletcher on January 23, 2011, 09:06:56 AM
Post by: MagnetoSound on January 23, 2011, 09:09:28 AM
| QUEEF BAG wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 03:47 |
you are upsetting jazz drummers world wide |
They read this nonsense??
Post by: Wireline on January 23, 2011, 09:20:38 AM
| MagnetoSound wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 08:09 | ||
They read this nonsense?? |
They read?
Post by: cgc on January 23, 2011, 09:40:28 AM
Post by: compasspnt on January 23, 2011, 10:22:56 AM
| Fletcher wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 09:06 |
Fair enough... some times its difficult to tell... |
No problem!
In answer to when the hh mic became ubiquitous, I recall in the 60's I would mic it about 50/50. If I did, it would be with either a KM-84, or by late 60's a 451.
As now, depends on the drummer, how loud he hits it, type of sound you're going for, etc.
Post by: bigbone on January 23, 2011, 11:16:23 AM
| ssltech wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 22:21 |
... If you care that much about the hi-hat... ... There might be something wrong with the MUSIC. |
It's only about 70 % of the groove when it's well play
JN
Post by: zakco on January 23, 2011, 12:30:18 PM
| Fletcher wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 22:31 |
Due resect - but of all people who might have responded to this thread I would have expected you to understand just how important great capture of a great drummers playing of the H/H is to the groove of a song. |
All true, and in the rare occasions I work with someone actually in control of this weapon, I will consider putting a mic on it.
Unfortunately for those of us not working predominately with Steve Gadd it's also a crutch and a timekeeper for ham fisted bucket beaters. Often times, my entire approach to recording drums is figuring out how I can keep EVERY mic in the room from being a hat mic...
I'm sure the KM69 rocks the hat on a good player.
Post by: Fletcher on January 24, 2011, 01:21:42 PM
| compasspnt wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 10:22 |
In answer to when the hh mic became ubiquitous, I recall in the 60's I would mic it about 50/50. If I did, it would be with either a KM-84, or by late 60's a 451. |
I was 99.998475% of the time a KM-84 guy... when I couldn't get a KM-84 that didn't get me harder than Chinese Algebra... the KM-69 came into existence as a substitute weapon... its nice that some people who were made after the original KM-84 was discontinued are catching onto the concept
| zakco wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 12:30 |
[Unfortunately for those of us not working predominately with Steve Gadd it's also a crutch and a timekeeper for ham fisted bucket beaters. Often times, my entire approach to recording drums is figuring out how I can keep EVERY mic in the room from being a hat mic... |
Yeah I know the bitch of it when every mic in the room turns into some form of H/H mic... and sometimes those drummers will take a bit of advice on how to make it so it ain't... like moving the H/Hs a couple inches higher than they're used to [dude - I gottta move the hats to get my snare mic in the right place!!!] or an inch or three farther away from them... or add a little tape to the spot where they're hitting it [dude - it'll get the attack of the hats to fit in better with the kit - you'll hear it on playback and understand], etc., etc., etc.
Fortunately I haven't been sentenced to working with too many of those guys over the past bunch of years, but yeah - been there, done that, lived to tell the tale [though I'm probably a little grayer and a little balder from the stress they helped produce!!].
When you are do work with an excellent player - who knows how to control all the elements of their instrument - having the right weapons in the arsenal is a beautiful thing... makes your life easier and the product [hopefully] a little stronger.
When you're working with mediocre to sub-mediocre players you do what you can and try your level best... at the end of the day no matter how hard you work it probably won't come out the way YOU would like it to come out... but if the client is happy [while the "personal satisfaction" thing may be low] you've done your job and that's really what its all about.
Best of luck with all you do!!
Peace.
Post by: d gauss on January 30, 2011, 07:27:20 PM
| Fletcher wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 01:31 |
it is why Bernard Purdie is a king, |
i had the pleasure of playing live with mr. purdie a coupla weeks ago and he was behind the club's crappy house kit making a shitty pair of sabian B8 hats sound like, well mr. bernard purdie!
more on topic... ac/dc's phil rudd. all about the hat. i.e. has he EVER even touched the ride cymbal?
Post by: mell on February 05, 2011, 05:36:33 PM
| johnR wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 13:13 | ||
It's the one you turn up very loud in the drummer's headphone mix to make him play it more quietly. |
i have to try this one, thanks for the tip!!
Post by: rick-slo on February 06, 2011, 06:25:44 PM
Post by: gwailoh on February 07, 2011, 01:15:28 PM
| d gauss wrote on Sun, 30 January 2011 16:27 | ||
i had the pleasure of playing live with mr. purdie a coupla weeks ago and he was behind the club's crappy house kit making a shitty pair of sabian B8 hats sound like, well mr. bernard purdie! more on topic... ac/dc's phil rudd. all about the hat. i.e. has he EVER even touched the ride cymbal? |
Charlie Watts. His hat accents are the core of that sleazy Stones "thing". Really.