iCombs wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 11:05 |
Technically, this may have been the roughest I've worked on in the world of IMP. Auto-Tune...clipping...arrangement...definitely a big challenge. That said, the song is there...the hook is good and the instumentation fits well. |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 19:23 |
the auto-tuning wasn't even remotely close to what i'd call bad. the arrangement wasn't either. the tracks were handled decently, and aside from some clipping (which i had zero problem handling) they sounded ok. |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 13:23 |
the auto-tuning wasn't even remotely close to what i'd call bad. the arrangement wasn't either. the tracks were handled decently, and aside from some clipping (which i had zero problem handling) they sounded ok. to date, this is the best rhythm section IMP has seen/heard. |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 15:44 |
iCombs, do you have a sub? your mixes consistantly give my sub a serious work out. whatever you are doing in the 20 - 40Hz range is too big IMO. i'm hearing lots of interesting arrangements ideas. i was expecting this from such an easy song to cut. ATOR, you have some really solid ideas, i think overall your arrangement misses the mark, but the background vox shifting around was a great idea. i would have just cut the phrase shorter. the solo doesn't work at all over the section you put it on, but i liked that you tried to keep it. |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 14:23 |
garret, your mix is dark, but chris j's is DARK!!!! |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 20:23 |
to date, this is the best rhythm section IMP has seen/heard. |
grant richard wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 17:21 |
hey guys, just to clarify.......... this was not my band, it was a friend's band who volunteered this mix to me simply because i had nothing to do, and i wanted something to practice on. |
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How big does the low end need to get!? I've never been in a room with a kick drum that sounds as big as I've been hearing in these mixes. |
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I tried pushing up 3k or so but it took a LOT just to get a worthwhile change so I just ended up just focusing on what it already had. |
grant richard wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 20:53 |
now that i'm hearing everybody's stuff. ~snip~ this is a good learning experience! |
chrisj wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 19:21 |
I'm being kind of fierce because, well, the first thing I heard out of you sounded like 'you guys all suck, and ChrisJ REALLY sucked!'. |
garret wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 23:07 |
J, I like your mix, but I find it fatiguing to listen to because there's so much going on around 4khz. But maybe that's part of the rawk fury, gotta make the ear drums bleed, etc. |
jdier wrote on Tue, 24 April 2007 08:44 |
jhall - (would you share your EQ curve applied on voice and snare?) |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 24 April 2007 15:44 |
your mix is in fact too dark. this isn't something we can write-off as a personal preference. it's simply too dark. it has very little clarity due to it's lack of treble. |
chrisj wrote on Tue, 24 April 2007 16:09 |
Interested to know what the secret motive for this one was. |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 24 April 2007 23:48 |
you're killing me with all the bass player "notes" stop it, i'm trying to take this seriously.......HA |
Tom C wrote on Tue, 24 April 2007 16:23 |
Let the listening marathon begin: imp11_jdier.mp3 Sounds very compressed and is therefore missing some of the dynamics. The low end is missing, you didn't do justice to that great bass player. |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 07:53 |
i will say this, my disappointment lies in the fact that i wanted to hear every one bring their biggest, slickest, "FM radio" sound to the party. |
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That's the sort of direction I would expect to get from the client before starting work on the mix. |
Greg Dixon wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 01:24 | ||
That's the sort of direction I would expect to get from the client before starting work on the mix. |
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how bout i pick a couple guys (based on their mixes) to give me a list of recalls for my mix. i have a bit of time before my next project starts (sans a bit of travel over this weekend) would this be helpful to anyone? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 10:52 |
how bout i pick a couple guys (based on their mixes) to give me a list of recalls for my mix. i have a bit of time before my next project starts (sans a bit of travel over this weekend) would this be helpful to anyone? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 21:01 |
you guys got me wrong. what i'm saying is... i pick a couple guys to tell ME how they want MY mix changed, and I will recall MY OWN mix. is there anything to learn through such a process? |
fantomas wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 14:27 |
I don t want to sound like an asshole or a little know it all but i feel your mix doesnt completely achieve your wish of a modern fm mix, dont get me wrong i like it but my idea of modern fm is a pretty dry and hyped lows and highs sound. Can you tell us what was your reference sound for your mix or what sound you wanted us to achieve? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 21:41 |
perhaps i should do a DVD with some of these techniques you guys always seem to ask me about. |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 15:41 |
perhaps i should do a DVD with some of these techniques you guys always seem to ask me about. rhythm section impact and setup vocal placement, EQ and compression over all balances within a mix |
briefcasemanx wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 14:53 |
I would be very interested to know the entire vocal and guitar chain for jhall's mix before he does the recall. I would have liked his the best if it wasn't for the too bright guitars. |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 00:00 |
tom C, you want in on the recall challenge as well? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 17:49 |
do you accept? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 16:49 |
ok, you're on. i'll get you my chain, you get me a detailed list of things you would change to my mix to make it everything you want to hear from the song based on my origianl mix. |
Antman wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 20:01 |
Thanks for the feedback guys, I think I need to re-evaluate my listening environment . |
jdier wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 11:28 | ||
that is how I feel too. Tell me this, how do the good mixes (from IMP11) sound in your listening environment? |
GravityRobert wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 19:56 |
Oops I think I rendered my version at 41.1 does that make any difference because I think the files were at 48 ?? |
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macbraddy - the vocal treatment is strange, and fights the snare throughout the tune. |
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Hi, I corrected pitch of drums and also level, i think now it is "very" comparable to JHall submission, but i used reverb a little bit, so my is a little bit more wet but i like it. alo snare level lovered moderately. PLEASE LISTEN: aVKorehov_IMP11_revision1.mp3 |
grant richard wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 13:42 | ||
i would like to hear more seperation in all the instruments. it just sounds like a thin clouded mess. J's submission (although a bit too bright) sounds enourmous, but extremely well balanced. his snare is not overbearing, and his kick drum is VERY round, but to too commanding. the vocal is always on top, but never fatiguing. i would ask J about his techniques. what are you monitoring on? what are you mixing on? |
blueboy wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 15:12 |
Mcsnare...are you still going to put up a mastered version of yours? I like to use your mastered versions as a "frequency spectrum" reference. I'm still trying to get my monitoring the way I want, and I noticed that on the last IMP your original mix sounded a little dark, but your mastered version seemed very balanced. If you have the time..I'd appreciate it. Thanks. |
mcsnare wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 19:21 |
I put up a mastered version of mine, if anybody is interested. Dave |
mcsnare wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 21:21 |
I put up a mastered version of mine, if anybody is interested. Dave |
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grant richard wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 13:42 Quote: Hi, I corrected pitch of drums and also level, i think now it is "very" comparable to JHall submission, but i used reverb a little bit, so my is a little bit more wet but i like it. alo snare level lovered moderately. PLEASE LISTEN: aVKorehov_IMP11_revision1.mp3 i would like to hear more seperation in all the instruments. it just sounds like a thin clouded mess. J's submission (although a bit too bright) sounds enourmous, but extremely well balanced. his snare is not overbearing, and his kick drum is VERY round, but to too commanding. the vocal is always on top, but never fatiguing. i would ask J about his techniques. what are you monitoring on? what are you mixing on? Thanks on commments. Monitoring: Dynaudio BM5A Mixing: Nuendo (this time) (trying to switch from PT:) ) i have both of them. I wouldn't say my separation is so bad as you describe, i intentially wanted to get cloud of washing cymbals and blend it with guitars top a little bit (that's all freq overlapping what i have) i still don't have enough evidence what this is wrong. What i would say is what J submission have more punch... Seems like i cannot find good alternative in VST for drum processing also i have emphasized AG much, maybe that is wrong. I hear like J kick is used as sidechain to pump most of mix. I noticed this on ALL J submissions. Could be also limiter/comp on 2 Bus giving this effect. Don't say it is bad, this is just a signature on all songs. As for round BD, i hate round BD, i'm fed up with round/distorted BD, even if i can do such BD i'm currently seeking something different. I don't meant what i wanted to copy whole J sound after i mixed mine:). i said it is comparable to provocate listening of mine submission:)))))))) but i thing it is as most submissions here a quite competitive. What i want to copy from J is guitar sound, especialy how reamping was done... overbearing? Have you listened RHCP? Anyway this is not my best snare of cause:( Just a layered crisp/ambient snare i hear such everyday on many CD. If you don't need such then you will have one less choise in your mixing vocabulary... I noticed in verse my drum replacer layer haven't kicked in mostly, i have already corrected this. I like my snare in chorus. Anyway it will be heard even if mastering limiters will compress it to hell. Unsure if J snare will survive in mastering much. >the vocal is always on top, but never fatiguing Mine vocal done in 10 minutes time, don't had time for editing/riding, even for processing backing vox... sorry, i will make better if we will have another submission... >i would ask J about his techniques. Im not feeling offended by this at all:) i'm sorry but am i allowed to comment your submission at least?Smile)))) I promise i will provide you very specific feedback instead... |
mcsnare wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 21:21 |
I put up a mastered version of mine, if anybody is interested. Dave |
blueboy wrote on Fri, 27 April 2007 01:16 |
just put a little "beef" in the "crack" |
jdier wrote on Fri, 27 April 2007 05:58 | ||
Thanks for the new signature. |
jdier wrote on Fri, 27 April 2007 05:55 |
Sorry BlueBoy, but I think this one just became my favorite. |
jdier wrote on Fri, 27 April 2007 05:55 |
Note that this is a small beef. |
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Also...the re-tuning of the vocal harmonies. I can't say I'm for it. The harmonies created really good tension. It wasn't as exciting to me when that tension got resolved. Again...thoughts on this? |
briefcasemanx wrote on Wed, 25 April 2007 22:58 |
J Hall: I'm listening in headphones, so take that into account. Can't listen on monitors right now. -Less white noisey-ness in the guitars like people have been saying. But it doesn't have to be attenuated a lot, it's not bad. -There's something weird going on in the left side with the guitars. You can really hear it during that 1st intro riff before everything comes in. Turn that down a little, especially in the intro riff where it commands too much attention. -There's a delay in the chorus, I think it's a ping pong that starts on the left side. On the word "wait" the first slapback is too loud/distracting. I'd turn it down about a db or 2 on that word for the first generation of the delay, if that makes sense. -on the buildup to the second chorus, I think the overheads are too loud. I'd turn those down a db or 2. -I could be insane, but it sounds like theres a phaser/flanger on an effect that is on the vocal in the first verse. Like a flanged delay maybe? On the word "question" it becomes obvious, and I would automate the "mix" parameter of the phaser/flanger lower just for this word. It's in the phrase "without question I". I could be just hearing shit as far as it being a phaser or flanger, but there's something going on on that word that bugged me. |
briefcasemanx wrote on Mon, 30 April 2007 21:48 |
oh, I thought you were going to give me some corrections to make before I did my recall.... |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 26 April 2007 00:00 |
tom C, you want in on the recall challenge as well? |
Tom C wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 05:33 | ||
Back from my short trip as well, so here's my wish list (compiled from a musician/producer point of view, not from a spectrum analyzing AE nerd view with frequences and other stuff). As you might remember I'm not completely happy with the kick drum, especially in the intro and chorus parts it dominates too much. I'd like to hear the bass more as the sustain of the kick (or the kick more as the attack of the bass), so if the kick says 'Twack' and the bass says 'Bwamm' I'd like to hear them married to a nice fat 'Twamm'. If it's (loudness wise) now 80% kick and 20% bass (in the verses 70/30) I'd love to hear how 60/40 (plus/minus 10%) sounds like. macsnare's mastered version illustrates what I mean quite good, but I'm aware that in a real life scenario we wouldn't have such a good example to show the AE what we mean, so just go with what I tried to visualize (audiolize?) with my words. The second point are the guitars, they are too bright in the chorus. That isn't bad in itself, but between the loud kick and that guitars there seems to be a hole frequency wise. My personal taste in vocals would be more 'in your face', but they are nice as they are now, so if they still work after the changes mentioned above just keep them. Tom PS: you're right, trying to articulate changes is a very good exercise, especially when it's not in your native language and you're not in the same studio with the AE. |
myNameIsGeorge wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 09:22 |
TomC your mix rocks! I will send you my next project missed the deadline |
myNameIsGeorge wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 13:57 |
http://www.tom-crowning.com/music/PSW/IMP11/IMP-011-TomC.mp3 this one? very cool. I mean your mix is the only one that is worth listening to.. there are several problems, but it's a mix! |
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very cool. ITB? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 17:37 |
no comments on the recalls? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 02 May 2007 17:37 |
no comments on the recalls? |
Tom C wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 13:07 |
You did a bit more than just the changes briefcasemanx requested. |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 03 May 2007 20:45 | ||
i'm glad you brought it up...... what are you hearing? |
ATOR wrote on Wed, 09 May 2007 08:42 |
Better late than never McSnare Good solid mix. You brought the bells in right away. Great sounds and separation. I like the snare. Haha, can't get enough of the bells can you. Is there added harmony in the bg vox? I'd still like them to follow the chord change. Yup this is a great mix. Could use some more bells |
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GrantRichard Way too much compression for me. Have you been listening to J.Hall Otherwise good sounds. Great organ treatment, what did you do with it? The vox break is great. I like the energy of this mix. Good balance too. Loose the compression and it's my fav so far. |