Berolzheimer wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 10:30 | I don't know what the problem is. I'd love to vote for Mrs. Palin!
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That's Mrs. Jones!
But I've been waiting for you photoshop geniuses to give us a proper McCain/Palin image.
I'd vote for that ticket
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 03:29 |
bjornson wrote on Tue, 02 September 2008 12:47 |
Easy cowboy, Not being judgmental or nosey, not waving fingers. Just noting that "core conscience" tends to be expressed in thought, word and deed. Gotta go wash my finger. Carry on
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Note whatever you want. But I tell you what, you bring my personal life into this discussion again, it will be more than your finger you'll be pulling out of your ass.
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Why is it that the scrawny guys always come with the big attitude? How about we start with a push-up contest.
A good editorial here by Sam Harris:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-harris3 -2008sep03,0,3801278.story
"Americans have an unhealthy desire to see average people promoted to positions of great authority. No one wants an average neurosurgeon or even an average carpenter, but when it comes time to vest a man or woman with more power and responsibility than any person has held in human history, Americans say they want a regular guy, someone just like themselves. President Bush kept his edge on the "Who would you like to have a beer with?" poll question in 2004, and won reelection.
This is one of the many points at which narcissism becomes indistinguishable from masochism. Let me put it plainly: If you want someone just like you to be president of the United States, or even vice president, you deserve whatever dysfunctional society you get. You deserve to be poor, to see the environment despoiled, to watch your children receive a fourth-rate education and to suffer as this country wages -- and loses -- both necessary and unnecessary wars. "
The news broke today that Palin's commissioner of boards and commissions (the dude who called the public safety commissioner trying to get Palin's ex-brother-in-law trooper fired) cancelled his deposition scheduled for today, as her new private attorney is challenging the Legislature's jurisdiction to investigate the matter. Anyone who has listened to the phone conversation can tell it was a shakedown. Clearly McCain and his handlers are trying to put this investigation off until after the election.
Palin said the Iraq war is a 'a task that is from God'.
Echoes of the Blues Brothers, anyone?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_ir aq_war;_ylt=AqhzkGawc0SWpfkEzt_DNXqs0NUE
And isn't it convenient that that other "task from god", getting that oil pipeline built, also benefits Alaskans financially- every Alaskan resident gets a percentage of oil revenue, I think it's currently around $1200/year.
Dominick wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 17:20 |
Berolzheimer wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 13:30 | I don't know what the problem is. I'd love to vote for Mrs. Palin!
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That's Terry Jones (Mrs.)
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I know, Dan rubbed my nose in it already.
mgod wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 13:53 |
Berolzheimer wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 10:30 | I don't know what the problem is. I'd love to vote for Mrs. Palin!
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That's Mrs. Jones!
But I've been waiting for you photoshop geniuses to give us a proper McCain/Palin image.
I'd vote for that ticket
Dominick wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 17:29 | mgod wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 13:53 |
Berolzheimer wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 10:30 | I don't know what the problem is. I'd love to vote for Mrs. Palin!
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That's Mrs. Jones!
But I've been waiting for you photoshop geniuses to give us a proper McCain/Palin image.
I'd vote for that ticket
Rec'd via email:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/must-see-tv-gop-consultan ts-on.html
Wednesday, September 03, 2008
It's a great thing that moderate Republicans are openly criticizing the Palin pick. They're the only straight-talking brand of Republicans out there. The base right wing of the party is full of nutcases, all scripted from the same insulting narrative stereotypes McCain's campaign advisors and consultants are feeding the sheeple of America.
I worked in Texas Republican politics for more than ten years as a Capitol Hill staffer and as a lobbyist in Austin, leaving the party and politics behind in 1993. I really respected the people who lead that party in the 1980s. They were honest, had traditional values and strong ethics. Then the right-wing evangelical front overran the state party organization and started recruiting a different brand of Republicans - the same one well-represented by Palin. I couldn't work with those people. Don't get me started. So I ended my affiliation with the Party of Lincoln and to this day have been a pretty steady Democrat. Obama represents the best chance in my lifetime to get the country back on track and let the reasonable middle build some unity in the midst of so much cultural and political polarity.
Considering how cynical Mike Murphy was about the Dems during the DNC, it's nice to know that he's not the complete asshole I thought he plays when the commercials aren't running.
bjornson wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 12:51 |
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Note whatever you want. But I tell you what, you bring my personal life into this discussion again, it will be more than your finger you'll be pulling out of your ass.
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Why is it that the scrawny guys always come with the big attitude? How about we start with a push-up contest.
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Scrawny? That's a first.
Seriously, don't ever bring my personal life into the debate. I won't tolerate that shit. You were waaaaay out of line. I make a point of not getting into fights, but there's a line you crossed there, and you should expect such reactions when you say shit like that.
Whether we agree or disagree, we don't use each other's marriages, spouses, kids, dogs, parents, etc. when making a point. And we sure as shit don't use it to judge people's "core conscience." Unless you are a complete fucking moron, you should know better.
Saying shit like that in person can cost you a handful of teeth, even when said to somebody as "scrawny" as me.
“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a- frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictiv e-and-mean%E2%80%9D/
Yikes! Now if only some well-respected Alaskans will come forward to openly dispute or corroborate these reports.
there is an undercurrent of racism embedded in the g.o.p message. but it is so politically incorrect. one could ignore it, or go all malcolm-x. this woman is revolting:
Sarah Palin Slashed Funding For Teen Pregnancy Programs hypocrisy. the lunatic she is.
sarah palin was once an unwed pregnant mother too. she's a "maverick" alright!
cold blooded hypocrisy. she's an inveterate liar. a deceiver.
how could senator mccain insult america like this? is something wrong inside his head? or has he completely lost control?
jeff dinces
cerberus wrote on Fri, 05 September 2008 16:07 | how could senator mccain insult america like this? is something wrong inside his head? or has he completely lost control?
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Quoted for emphasis.
DS
mgod wrote on Fri, 05 September 2008 16:30 |
cerberus wrote on Fri, 05 September 2008 16:07 |
how could senator mccain insult america like this? is something wrong inside his head? or has he completely lost control?
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Quoted for emphasis.
DS
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Occam's Razor, again:
He wants to be President soooo much that he's willing to say or do anything, or let others say or do anything in his name, to get "elected."
-a
Steve Hudson wrote | if only some well-respected Alaskans...
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Ummmmmm....
okay, I'm thinking...
No, -I got nothing.
ssltech wrote on Fri, 05 September 2008 17:23 |
Steve Hudson wrote | if only some well-respected Alaskans...
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Ummmmmm....
okay, I'm thinking...
No, -I got nothing.
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Haven't you been watching Ice Road Truckers?
Rachel Abramowitz nailed it this morning-
Palin is Tracy Flick!!!!!
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-et-bri ef6-2008sep06,0,7446019.story
"Personally, I had my eureka moment watching Palin give her speech on Wednesday night.
Sure, she was poised, and read a teleprompter well, but there was that snarl that would periodically mar the pleasantness of her telegenic features.
Then, suddenly, my husband uttered the magic words.
Tracy Flick.
Yes, Palin reminds me of Tracy Flick. She's the ferocious overachiever Reese Witherspoon plays in the excellent 1999 comedy "Election," who despite her angelic face is vindictive, manipulative and would do anything to become president of her high school class.
Don't agree with me? Here's Tracy's prayer to God that she win the election from the film. I've just updated it to make it work for Election 2008.
"Dear Lord Jesus, I do not often speak with you and ask for things, but now, I really must insist that you help me win the election tomorrow because I deserve it and [Barack Obama] doesn't, as you well know. . . . Now I'm asking that you go that one last mile and make sure to put me in office where I belong so that I may carry out your will on Earth as it is in heaven. Amen."
Yup. Amen.
rachel.abramowitz
@latimes.com"
http://defamer.com/5046123/robin-williams-cracks-sarah-palin -phenomenon-in-2-minutes-flat?autoplay=true
So who's going to step up with a little p-shop action on that Election still?
Palin's Stall:
http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/516641.html
51% Say Reporters And Record Producers Are Trying To Hurt Palin; 39% Say She Has Better Experience Than Obama
http://www.rasmussenreports.com
Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters and record producers are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November. Thirty-nine percent (39%) also believe the GOP vice presidential nominee has better experience to be president of the United States than Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama. But 49% give Obama the edge on experience, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey – taken before Palin’s historic speech Wednesday night to the Republican National Convention. While Republicans and Democrats predictably favor their party’s candidate by overwhelming margins, the experience gap among voters unaffiliated with either party is even narrower than the national totals. Forty-two percent (42%) say Obama has better experience to be president, but 37% say Palin does. The potential problem for Democrats is that Obama, the junior U.S. senator from Illinois and a former state legislator, is the party’s standard-bearer, while Palin, an ex-mayor and now governor of Alaska, is number two on her party’s ticket. Palin’s highly successful debut on the national stage Wednesday night at the GOP convention is sure to impact these numbers, too. Her speech repeatedly highlighted her experience versus Obama’s, something she is expected to focus on from now until Election Day. (Want a free daily e-mail update on our latest results? Sign up now. If it's in the news, it's in our polls. Get our daily update and we’ll let you know what voters really think.) Just a week ago 67% of voters told Rasmussen Reports they didn’t know enough about Palin, only the second woman ever to be on a national political ticket, to comment on her. Heading into last night’s speech, however, 52% had a favorable opinion of Alaska’s Governor. In the new survey, while 24% are more likely to vote for Palin due to recent news coverage, 19% say the opposite and 54% say the stories have no impact on their votes. Nationally, the Rasmussen daily Presidential Tracking Poll showed Obama with a modest but expected bounce following the close of his convention last week, but that is already being offset by the bounce McCain is beginning to get from his party’s gathering. Since McCain announced Palin as his running mate on Friday, she has been subjected to an unprecedented wave of negative media stories, many focused on her personal life and especially the pregnancy of her unmarried 17-year-old daughter. The focus of the coverage, especially in the blogosphere, has even prompted Obama to distance himself from it. Republicans have responded angrily, and the media was the target of numerous negative comments over the first two nights of the GOP convention. Several aides to Hillary Clinton, who Obama defeated for the Democratic presidential nomination, also have criticized the media coverage for its sexist tone. In the new survey, although 85% say they are following news stories about Palin at least somewhat closely, just five percent (5%) think reporters are trying to help her with their coverage, while 35% believe reporters are providing unbiased coverage. Eighty percent (80%) of Republicans say reporters are trying to hurt the GOP vice presidential nominee, and 28% of Democrats agree. Only six percent (6%) of Republicans – and even fewer Democrats (4%)– think the reporting is intended to help her. Most Democrats (57%) think the reporters are being unbiased, but just nine percent (9%) of Republicans concur. Among unaffiliated voters, 49% say reporters are trying to hurt Palin, while 32% say their coverage is unbiased. Only five percent (5%) say reporters are trying to help her. Voters are more ambivalent about whether the media coverage of Palin and her family reflects a double standard that treats women worse than men. Forty-six percent (46%) say it does, but 35% disagree. Most Republicans and unaffiliated voters say the stories show the media’s double standard against women, but a majority of Democrats disagree. The findings, nevertheless, are troublesome for the embattled news industry and parallel what voters said in surveys earlier this summer. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of voters now believe most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win, and 49% believe reporters are trying to help Obama this year. Only 14% think they are trying to help McCain. In another survey, 55% said media bias is a bigger problem for the electoral process than large campaign donations. Although women voters by a 48% to 35% margin believe the coverage of Palin reveals a double standard in the media, they continue to support Obama more than men. Palin in her comments already has made clear that one of her key missions is to lure women voters disaffected by Clinton’s defeat in the Democratic primaries to the McCain column. Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it’s free)… let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news. See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs available for Premium Members only. Rasmussen Reports is an electronic publishing firm specializing in the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information. The Rasmussen Reports ElectionEdge™ Premium Service for Election 2008 offers the most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a Presidential election. Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, has been an independent pollster for more than a decade. This national survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on September 3, 2008. The margin of sampling error for each survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.
“So Sambo beat the bitch!”
That's the spirit ...
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a- frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictiv e-and-mean%E2%80%9D/
that and this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs
I cannot see how to be moderate with this pick, Brad.
peace
malice
groundhog wrote on Sat, 06 September 2008 17:28 | Record Producers
| yo, g-hog. the article says nothing about record producers. are you having a sort of wardrobe malfunction?
jeff dinces
Sarah Palin's book ban list and Chris Hedges on 'American Fascists'
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis, 1935
Below is a list of the books Sarah Palin tried to have banned from the Wasilla, Alaska Library. When I was in Anchorage two years ago, residents of Wasilla I met described the place as a growing, more-and-more suburban community north of Anchorage. In her speech, Palin called the area 'the valley.' Mayor Palin would seem to be a strong force in the suburbanization of the village of Wasilla. When the Wasilla librarian refused to trash these books, Mayor Palin tried to have her fired. This caused a stir in Wasilla which then turned into a drive to protect the librarian. Some of my favorite examples of American literature are on this list. This is the act of a patriotic American? No, this is the act of a religious fundamentalist trying to squeeze herself into the role of a mythic frontier American. The attempt to ban American literary masterpieces like Catcher In The Rye, Grapes Of Wrath, To Kill A Mockingbird, Death Of A Salesman, Leaves Of Grass, As I Lay Dying, Huckleberry Finn, Catch 22 and Tarzan indicates, flags and Bible citations aside, her ascendance to national power would be downright un-American. In the realm of Rovian political marketing and the unfolding effort to win the Presidency not with ideas but with a cult of personality, McCain is the humiliated warrior ready to 'go to the gates of hell' to preserve American exceptionalism and Sarah Palin is his fascist 'bride,' a mythic frontier mom able to shoot, gut and cook a moose while nurturing her family who has said publicly our war in Iraq is supported by God and people should pray to God to get the Alaska gas pipeline approved.
This is a pivotal moment in American history, and we all need to expose this cult of personality for what it is, a cynical sham. Please pass this on far and wide.
John Grant
This list is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner Blubber by Judy Blume Brave New World by Aldous Huxley Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer Carrie by Stephen King Catch-22 by Joseph Heller Christine by Stephen King Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau Cujo by Stephen King Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller Decameron by Boccaccio East of Eden by John Steinbeck Fallen Angels by Walter Myers Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes Forever by Judy Blume Grendel by John Champlin Gardner Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling Have to Go by Robert Munsch Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou Impressions edited by Jack Booth In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm Lord of the Flies by William Golding Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein Lysistrata by Aristophanes More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier My House by Nikki Giovanni My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara Night Chills by Dean Koontz Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez Ordinary People by Judith Guest Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz Separate Peace by John Knowles Silas Marner by George Eliot Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain The Bastard by John Jakes The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier The Color Purple by Alice Walker The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks The Living Bible by William C. Bower The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman The Pigman by Paul Zindel The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders The Shining by Stephen King The Witches by Roald Dahl The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
VFP31 Annual Banquet Speaker Chris Hedges wrote the book on people like Sarah Palin. It's called American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America
Berolzheimer wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 09:55 | Sarah Palin's book ban list and Chris Hedges on 'American Fascists'
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. Sinclair Lewis, 1935
Below is a list of the books Sarah Palin tried to have banned from the Wasilla, Alaska Library. When I was in Anchorage two years ago, residents of Wasilla I met described the place as a growing, more-and-more suburban community north of Anchorage. In her speech, Palin called the area 'the valley.' Mayor Palin would seem to be a strong force in the suburbanization of the village of Wasilla. When the Wasilla librarian refused to trash these books, Mayor Palin tried to have her fired. This caused a stir in Wasilla which then turned into a drive to protect the librarian. Some of my favorite examples of American literature are on this list. This is the act of a patriotic American? No, this is the act of a religious fundamentalist trying to squeeze herself into the role of a mythic frontier American. The attempt to ban American literary masterpieces like Catcher In The Rye, Grapes Of Wrath, To Kill A Mockingbird, Death Of A Salesman, Leaves Of Grass, As I Lay Dying, Huckleberry Finn, Catch 22 and Tarzan indicates, flags and Bible citations aside, her ascendance to national power would be downright un-American. In the realm of Rovian political marketing and the unfolding effort to win the Presidency not with ideas but with a cult of personality, McCain is the humiliated warrior ready to 'go to the gates of hell' to preserve American exceptionalism and Sarah Palin is his fascist 'bride,' a mythic frontier mom able to shoot, gut and cook a moose while nurturing her family who has said publicly our war in Iraq is supported by God and people should pray to God to get the Alaska gas pipeline approved.
This is a pivotal moment in American history, and we all need to expose this cult of personality for what it is, a cynical sham. Please pass this on far and wide.
John Grant
This list is taken from the official minutes of the Wasilla Library Board.
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner Blubber by Judy Blume Brave New World by Aldous Huxley Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer Carrie by Stephen King Catch-22 by Joseph Heller Christine by Stephen King Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau Cujo by Stephen King Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller Decameron by Boccaccio East of Eden by John Steinbeck Fallen Angels by Walter Myers Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes Forever by Judy Blume Grendel by John Champlin Gardner Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling Have to Go by Robert Munsch Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou Impressions edited by Jack Booth In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm Lord of the Flies by William Golding Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein Lysistrata by Aristophanes More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier My House by Nikki Giovanni My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara Night Chills by Dean Koontz Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez Ordinary People by Judith Guest Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz Separate Peace by John Knowles Silas Marner by George Eliot Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain The Bastard by John Jakes The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier The Color Purple by Alice Walker The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks The Living Bible by William C. Bower The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman The Pigman by Paul Zindel The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders The Shining by Stephen King The Witches by Roald Dahl The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth
VFP31 Annual Banquet Speaker Chris Hedges wrote the book on people like Sarah Palin. It's called American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America
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Simply stunning. You have a link for this?
I mean, "Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff"...seriously?
The Bible could be construed as offensive as ANY of these what with the wrath and killing and revelation etc. If this loon gets into the Oval Office we're finished.
Palin Switched Colleges Six Times in Six Years
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09 /04/AR2008090402467.html
[edited to reflect retraction about banned books]
rollmottle wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 10:36 | If this loon gets into the Oval Office we're finished.
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Way back in 2000, Lewis Black ended a bit with:
"In my lifetime, we've gone from an Eisenhower to a George W. Bush. From Jack Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is progress, then I believe that in about 12 years, we'll be voting for plants. I have one I'm gonna run... President Phil O' Dendron. He doesn't need much light... he doesn't need much water. And that's a platform I can believe in."
We're right on schedule.
Oops, mea culpa, that list is false. It came in an email from a usually very reliable source of political info, (my brother, a PHD & Smithsonian Fellow in American history) & now he's sent a retraction:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
Berolzheimer wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 14:32 | Oops, mea culpa, that list is false. It came in an email from a usually very reliable source of political info, (my brother, a PHD & Smithsonian Fellow in American history) & now he's sent a retraction:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
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The list is false.
The part about her wanting to ban books is true.
PRobb wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 16:17 |
Berolzheimer wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 14:32 | Oops, mea culpa, that list is false. It came in an email from a usually very reliable source of political info, (my brother, a PHD & Smithsonian Fellow in American history) & now he's sent a retraction:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
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The list is false.
The part about her wanting to ban books is true.
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There's so much rumor and anti-rumor here that it's hard to know whether she really tried to ban them or just asked the librarian if she was open to banning books. Either way her extreme religious views make it easy to believe that she really would like to ban some books. The sad thing is this impulsive cynical pick of a VP candidate, the reactionary outraged internet, and the defend-everything-no-matter-what right wing has caused a tidal wave of horror and sympathy beyond anything I can remember in a long time. It would be amazing if this election ever gets back to issues of any importance.
I'm hopeful that the Obama campaign will be VERY forward about making it all about the issues. The Clinton's need to be used here as well.
There are many republicans who did not like McCains guy coming right out and saying this campaign is about personality. What a slap in the face of the American people..
The polls, such as they are, are closer than I would like. Barack needs to get out and make news here. He can do this using legit, serious points. On with it!!
Ivan..................
Anyone catch the CNN report today.. Rick Sanchez was the anchor... talking about the Pentacostal church in Alaska where Palin was a member for many years?
I don't know much about Pentacostalism..... Pretty much, just the stereotypes. Speaking in tongues, believing the world will end soon, etc.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9433254 0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_1Eit0pxM
Your thoughts? Personally, I find it terrifying to put someone who believes in doomsday prophecies into a position where they have the power to begin a nuclear war.
Hmm.
When she learned that little factoid about Palin, Diane Rehm's response was a simple, but astonished, "WHY?"
-a
Berolzheimer wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 11:32 | Oops, mea culpa, that list is false. It came in an email from a usually very reliable source of political info, (my brother, a PHD & Smithsonian Fellow in American history) & now he's sent a retraction:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
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Indeed it's false, and it should be obvious from the list of books that it's false.
What librarian (or someone with even a passing knowledge of English) would alphabetize a list and sort titles that start with the article "the" under "T"?
Idiots.
-a
Andy Peters wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 00:32 |
When she learned that little factoid about Palin, Diane Rehm's response was a simple, but astonished, "WHY?"
-a
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Maybe Dave Letterman will help us out with a Top Ten list on this question.
John Ivan wrote on Mon, 08 September 2008 19:07 | I'm hopeful that the Obama campaign will be VERY forward about making it all about the issues.
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um, this is exactly why the Dem's have been such anemic wussies and lost so many winnable races. They will be Rove'd in this campaign, and they need to show some fucking fight for a change. Obama needs to call McCain on every flip flop, poor decision, and lame track record, and has to clearly define Palin as the obviously cynical choice she is, chastising him DURING the debates for picking a running mate based not on how they can do the job, but solely on their ability to get him elected.
Biden needs to NOT take it easy on her during the debate, but embarrass her on almost every issue, and call bullshit on her every attempt to turn any criticism into 'sexism' or 'anti-small town americanism'. If he can't look straight into the camera and make clear to everyone that this person next to him is running for VP, the proverbial hearbeat away from Pres, and the suggestion that he should be anything less than his full force campaigning self and take it easy on her is not only insulting to women but to the office of president of the united states blahblah etecetc.
Yeah,, um,, this was exactly my point... You have described how and why democrats lost both of the last two elections..
I've been paying attention..
Ivan..................
Palin Took Per Diem When Staying At Home; State Paid Travel for Family Members
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09 /08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid=topnews
So much for the reformer pose.
I don't see how anyone who works for the Daily Show is going to get more than a catnap until November. Too much material. They should really go to an hour format though election day, get more guests on, etc.
Rader Ranch wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 13:44 | I don't see how anyone who works for the Daily Show is going to get more than a catnap until November. Too much material. They should really go to an hour format though election day, get more guests on, etc.
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Indeed! I agree completely! That would be wonderful!
Ivan................
the book banning thing is not true. I actually have looked up several things all of which come from blogs and none of which have been true.
amorris wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 14:24 | the book banning thing is not true. I actually have looked up several things all of which come from blogs and none of which have been true.
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What IS true though, is that she asked whether the librarian would be willing to remove "questionable" books from the library.
I find this, all by it's self to be bad news.
EDIT TO AD: I wish people would not feel the need to exaggerate these things. The truth about Palin is bad enough IMHO.
Ivan................
amorris wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 14:24 | the book banning thing is not true.
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Too vague.
The book banning thing most assuredly IS true, insofar as her being is ON RECORD as asking the librarian in question whether or not she would have any objections to certain books being banned. The librarian replied immediately that she would strenuously OPPOSE any efforts at censorship, and that EVERY book in the library at that time was on an approved list as being appropriate for a library of that size.
Mary Ellen Emmons, the librarian in question was subesquently FIRED by Sarah Palin, eleven days after she took office. It took an organized effort to have her reinstated, though she left a couple of years later. (I'm sure I would have, also.)
Those are the FACTS.
Keith
ssltech wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 13:47 |
amorris wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 14:24 | the book banning thing is not true.
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Too vague.
The book banning thing most assuredly IS true, insofar as her being is ON RECORD as asking the librarian in question whether or not she would have any objections to certain books being banned. The librarian replied immediately that she would strenuously OPPOSE any efforts at censorship, and that EVERY book in the library at that time was on an approved list as being appropriate for a library of that size.
Mary Ellen Emmons, the librarian in question was subesquently FIRED by Sarah Palin, eleven days after she took office. It took an organized effort to have her reinstated, though she left a couple of years later. (I'm sure I would have, also.)
Those are the FACTS.
Keith
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I don't really care one way or another what people want to believe, but some of the slightly-less-hysterical media is staring to compile details, case by case, on the allegations.
Here's one of them:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/157986/page/2
Jones
"Speaking of Sarah Palin, she said she's a life-long member of the National Rifle Association. Which may explain why she's in favor of shotgun weddings." --Conan O'Brien
"She's old enough. She's a U.S. citizen." --John Harris, Alaska's Republican speaker of the house, when asked about Palin's qualifications for vice president.
"She does know about international relations because she is right up there in Alaska, right next door to Russia." –FOX News
"When you think about it, Alaska is also near the North Pole, so she must also be friends with Santa." —Jon Stewart
q: what is the difference between sarah palin and dick cheney? a: lipstick (we think).
"I'm not sure what she brings to the ticket other than she's a woman and a conservative." –Sarah Palin's mother-in-law, Faye Palin, who said she may vote for Obama
"And how are you going to be the vice president of the United States with five kids to take care of? She's got a four-month-old of her own, she's about to become a grandmother, and she's partnered with John McCain. How many diapers can one woman possibly change?" --Jimmy Kimmel
"Actually, it was kind of a smart choice. McCain went with a woman because e didn't want to have to be in a position to have to get CPR from Mitt Romney." —Jay Leno
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bct id1782584531
jeff dinces
This is troubling to me. Not a good thing at all. ------------------------------------------------------------ --- Fair use, from Newsweek article: Contributors: By Brooks Jackson, Jess Henig, Emi Kolawole, Joe Miller and Lori Robertson | factcheck.org Sep 8, 2008 | Updated: 6:55 p.m. ET Sep 8, 2008 ------------------------------------------------------------ ---
"It's true that Palin did raise the issue with Mary Ellen Emmons, Wasilla's librarian, on at least two occasions, three in some versions. Emmons flatly stated her opposition each time. But, as the /Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman/ (Wasilla's local paper) reported at the time, Palin asked general questions about what Emmons would say if Palin requested that a book be banned. According to Emmons, Palin "was asking me how I would deal with her saying a book can't be in the library." Emmons reported that Palin pressed the issue, asking whether Emmons' position would change if residents were picketing the library. Wasilla resident Anne Kilkenny, who was at the meeting, corroborates Emmons' story, telling the Chicago Tribune that "Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?' "
Palin characterized the exchange differently, initially volunteering the episode as an example of discussions with city employees about following her administration's agenda. Palin described her questions to Emmons as "rhetorical," noting that her questions "were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city." Actually, true rhetorical questions have implied answers (e.g., "Who do you think you are?"), so Palin probably meant to describe her questions as hypothetical or theoretical. We can't read minds, so it is impossible for us to know whether or not Palin may actually have wanted to ban books from the library or whether she simply wanted to know how her new employees would respond to an instruction from their boss. It is worth noting that, in an update, the Frontiersman points out that no book was ever banned from the library's shelves."
The idea that she would ask this question sets off loud alarm bells for me..
Ivan...................
The idea that she doesn't distinguish between rhetoric and hypothesis (Using the word "rhetorical" when she means "hypothetical") is pretty Bush-y, -don'tcha think?
ssltech wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 16:02 | The idea that she doesn't distinguish between rhetoric and hypothesis (Using the word "rhetorical" when she means "hypothetical") is pretty Bush-y, -don'tcha think?
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Yeah, it may seem like a small thing to some. But I'm with ya. I don't like it one bit.. Oh well.
Ivan...................
ssltech wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 15:02 | The idea that she doesn't distinguish between rhetoric and hypothesis (Using the word "rhetorical" when she means "hypothetical") is pretty Bush-y, -don'tcha think?
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It's a common Republican strategery intended to confuserate the illiterati.
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I don't really care one way or another what people want to believe,
Jones [/quote]
Right. This seems to run deep in your party, and your candidates.
Ivan.................
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 16:53 |
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I don't really care one way or another what people want to believe,
Jones [/quote]
Right. This seems to run deep in your party, and your candidates.
Ivan.................[/quote]
I'm a Libertarian.
I also believe the hysterical fabrications and exaggerations being posted are in the same category as Mark Fuhrman's ill-motivated "bloody glove" concoction.
Contrived or manipulated evidence is ultimately seldom useful.
Jones
C.O. Jones wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 17:44 |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 16:53 |
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I don't really care one way or another what people want to believe,
Jones
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Right. This seems to run deep in your party, and your candidates.
Ivan.................[/quote]
I'm a Libertarian.
I also believe the hysterical fabrications and exaggerations being posted are in the same category as Mark Fuhrman's ill-motivated "bloody glove" concoction.
Contrived or manipulated evidence is ultimately seldom useful.
Jones [/quote]
but a libertarian is what all conservatives "become" when they are pissed at the the g.o.p....
its soooooo true.
neilio wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 16:00 |
C.O. Jones wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 17:44 |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 16:53 |
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I don't really care one way or another what people want to believe,
Jones
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Right. This seems to run deep in your party, and your candidates.
Ivan.................
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I'm a Libertarian.
I also believe the hysterical fabrications and exaggerations being posted are in the same category as Mark Fuhrman's ill-motivated "bloody glove" concoction.
Contrived or manipulated evidence is ultimately seldom useful.
Jones [/quote]
but a libertarian is what all conservatives "become" when they are pissed at the the g.o.p....
its soooooo true.[/quote]
Or as Thom Hartmann likes to say, Libertarians are republicans who want to smoke dope & get laid.
neilio wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 18:00 |
but a libertarian is what all conservatives "become" when they are pissed at the the g.o.p....
its soooooo true.
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I've been registered Libertarian for 20 years.
I'm interested though. Please help me understand this undeniable truism you're applying to me.
Jones
Berolzheimer wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 18:05 |
neilio wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 16:00 |
C.O. Jones wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 17:44 |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 16:53 |
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I don't really care one way or another what people want to believe,
Jones
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Right. This seems to run deep in your party, and your candidates.
Ivan.................
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I'm a Libertarian.
I also believe the hysterical fabrications and exaggerations being posted are in the same category as Mark Fuhrman's ill-motivated "bloody glove" concoction.
Contrived or manipulated evidence is ultimately seldom useful.
Jones
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but a libertarian is what all conservatives "become" when they are pissed at the the g.o.p....
its soooooo true.[/quote]
Or as Thom Hartmann likes to say, Libertarians are republicans who want to smoke dope & get laid.
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I quit smoking dope a while back.
Is the quote-box feature malfunctioning?
That's three in a row.
Jones
C.O. Jones wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 19:19 |
Is the quote-box feature malfunctioning?
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The quote-box may be out of order , but the soap-box on this thread is holding up quite nicely !
oh i'm a libertarian too.
no harm in distributing a list of books that extremist christians have asked their american followers not to read. s.p. may not have written this list. but i think it sure is interesting to see an example list. afaik, it is a typical ban list for any religious extremist such as sarah palin. ——— A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner Blubber by Judy Blume Brave New World by Aldous Huxley Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer Carrie by Stephen King Catch-22 by Joseph Heller Christine by Stephen King Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau Cujo by Stephen King Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller Decameron by Boccaccio East of Eden by John Steinbeck Fallen Angels by Walter Myers Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes Forever by Judy Blume Grendel by John Champlin Gardner Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling Have to Go by Robert Munsch Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou Impressions edited by Jack Booth In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm Lord of the Flies by William Golding Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein Lysistrata by Aristophanes More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier My House by Nikki Giovanni My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara Night Chills by Dean Koontz Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez Ordinary People by Judith Guest Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz Separate Peace by John Knowles Silas Marner by George Eliot Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, The by Mark Twain, Adventures of Tom Sawyer, The by Mark Twain Bastard, The by John Jakes Catcher in the Rye, The by J.D. Salinger Chocolate War, The by Robert Cormier Color Purple, The by Alice Walker Devil's Alternative, The by Frederick Forsyth Figure in the Shadows, The by John Bellairs Grapes of Wrath, The by John Steinbeck Great Gilly Hopkins, The by Katherine Paterson Handmaid's Tale, The by Margaret Atwood Headless Cupid, The by Zilpha Snyder Learning Tree, The by Gordon Parks Living Bible, The by William C. Bower Merchant of Venice, The by William Shakespeare New Teenage Body Book, The by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman Pigma, Then by Paul Zindel Seduction of Peter S., The by Lawrence Sanders Shining, The by Stephen King Witches, The by Roald Dahl Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth ——— some great books are on that list; not to be missed, imo! others i have not even heard of, but probably should read...
jeff dinces
cerberus wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 18:53 | i don't see any harm in distributing a list of books that extremist christians have asked americans not to read.
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Absolutely. Fair game, I won't argue with that.
This is the "bloody glove" style fabrication I'm talking about.
Dumb strategy.
Tell me where I'm being unreasonable.
Jones
jones, you refer to yellow journalism. but who is to blame for it?
yes, a news story that breaks, but the major parties involved remain silent... sometimes causes some bad information to be passed. the information vacuum is not filled by the newsmaker themselves. rather it gets filled by those whose role it is in our society to fill such vacuums, such as "us magazine", or murdoch's rags. all the mccain campaign needs to do to set the record straight is to publish her real list.
jeff dinces
cerberus wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 19:19 | yes, a news story that breaks, but the major parties involved remain silent... sometimes causes some bad information to be passed. the information vacuum is not filled by the newsmaker themselves. rather it gets filled by those whose role it is in our society to fill such vacuums, such as "us magazine", or murdoch's rags. all the mccain campaign needs to do to set the record straight is to publish her real list.
jeff dinces
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You're seriously contending that bullshit creates a "vacuum" that should be the basis for assuming guilt? My understanding is this woman had no "list" to publish. If you have evidence to the contrary, please give it now.
All indications are, and you seem to be agreeing, that it's fabricated: i.e. a "bloody glove"..., but justified by your "personal certainty" of her guilt, whether manifest in the individually alleged infraction or not. You're really OK with that?
You seem to be defending the notion that your imagination of her "evil" propensities remains justification for this fabricated charge. Granted, she probably is mindfully engaged in an agenda that you disagree with. Does that justify concocked evidence?
...well we did do the nose...
You, cerberus, are the personification of why I quit smoking pot.
...and will continue to make sure I don't do anything that leads to a jury-trial in your district.
Jones
From the New Republic. This calls it right where it is:
It took only a few days for the saga of Sarah Palin to go from Frank Capra to Preston Sturges to Judd Apatow, and then for the farce to stop being funny at all. These are not the times for right-wing screwball. The world is aflame and we have been pondering the knocked-up daughter of a pert and uncannily confident Alaskan mediocrity who was elevated to a national ticket for the purpose of changing the conversation. The Republicans wanted a new conversation, and they got one.
Libertarians don't have much available to them these days:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008
As it turns out, I'm as left as Ghandi and as libertarian as ol' Dalai Lama.
DS
mgod wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 20:44 | From the New Republic. This calls it right where it is:
It took only a few days for the saga of Sarah Palin to go from Frank Capra to Preston Sturges to Judd Apatow, and then for the farce to stop being funny at all. These are not the times for right-wing screwball. The world is aflame and we have been pondering the knocked-up daughter of a pert and uncannily confident Alaskan mediocrity who was elevated to a national ticket for the purpose of changing the conversation. The Republicans wanted a new conversation, and they got one.
Yes, the Libertarian party is disappointing today too. At least locally, they keep putting up folks that seem to think that legal-weed is the most important challenge facing mankind.
Single-issue kookiness is a path to oblivion that everyone can learn from.
Jones
C.O. Jones wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 21:07 |
cerberus wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 19:19 | yes, a news story that breaks, but the major parties involved remain silent... sometimes causes some bad information to be passed. the information vacuum is not filled by the newsmaker themselves. rather it gets filled by those whose role it is in our society to fill such vacuums, such as "us magazine", or murdoch's rags. all the mccain campaign needs to do to set the record straight is to publish her real list.
jeff dinces
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You're seriously contending that bullshit creates a "vacuum" that should be the basis for assuming guilt? My understanding is this woman had no "list" to publish. If you have evidence to the contrary, please give it now.
All indications are, and you seem to be agreeing, that it's fabricated: i.e. a "bloody glove"..., but justified by your "personal certainty" of her guilt, whether manifest in the individually alleged infraction or not. You're really OK with that?
You seem to be defending the notion that your imagination of her "evil" propensities remains justification for this fabricated charge. Granted, she probably is mindfully engaged in an agenda that you disagree with. Does that justify concocked evidence?
...well we did do the nose...
You, cerberus, are the personification of why I quit smoking pot.
...and will continue to make sure I don't do anything that leads to a jury-trial in your district.
Jones
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wtf kind of analogy is that? now two posts on o.j? now please stick your racism in your crack pipe.
jeff dinces
cerberus wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 22:07 |
C.O. Jones wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 21:07 |
cerberus wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 19:19 | yes, a news story that breaks, but the major parties involved remain silent... sometimes causes some bad information to be passed. the information vacuum is not filled by the newsmaker themselves. rather it gets filled by those whose role it is in our society to fill such vacuums, such as "us magazine", or murdoch's rags. all the mccain campaign needs to do to set the record straight is to publish her real list.
jeff dinces
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You're seriously contending that bullshit creates a "vacuum" that should be the basis for assuming guilt? My understanding is this woman had no "list" to publish. If you have evidence to the contrary, please give it now.
All indications are, and you seem to be agreeing, that it's fabricated: i.e. a "bloody glove"..., but justified by your "personal certainty" of her guilt, whether manifest in the individually alleged infraction or not. You're really OK with that?
You seem to be defending the notion that your imagination of her "evil" propensities remains justification for this fabricated charge. Granted, she probably is mindfully engaged in an agenda that you disagree with. Does that justify concocked evidence?
...well we did do the nose...
You, cerberus, are the personification of why I quit smoking pot.
...and will continue to make sure I don't do anything that leads to a jury-trial in your district.
Jones
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wtf kind of analogy is that? now two posts on o.j? now please stick your racism in your crack pipe.
jeff dinces
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Diverting to me means you're struggling to articulate an actual rebuttal.
On what basis do you sling accusations of "racist"?
Justify this personal attack, please, Jeff Dinces.
Jones
jones, perhaps someone else would like to take up your mantle while keeping it clean. otherwise i will not respond further to your corrupted, racially-charged argument regarding sarah palin and her apparent lack of belief in the first amendment.
as far as we can tell, palin attempted to ban books from the public library; and subsequently, she attempted to terminate the librarian who refused. sorry, but this really happened.
jeff dinces
Yep. It really happened.
And she has tried repeatedly to get her former brother-in-law fired from his job. She has used her position as governor to try to make this happen and allegedly fired a manager because he wouldn't do it.
She obviously has a petty, vindictive side of which Dick Cheney would be proud.
more on this kind of thing on a CNN clip- sort of a neutral fact checking segment ....
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/10/johns.i nternet.rumors.cnn
The summary is that the people buying into this particular "internet hazing" are democrats and liberals who would not vote for her anyhow simply because she is running on the republican ticket ( you know , the open minded ones ?) . It has little real impact on the election .
C.O. Jones wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 19:08 |
Yes, the Libertarian party is disappointing today too. At least locally, they keep putting up folks that seem to think that legal-weed is the most important challenge facing mankind.
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It isn't?
What I meant was that almost everybody running fell on the authoritarian side of the fence.
DS
PS - unsurprisingly for me, the closest guy to my position was my long-time hero, Nader.
Barry Hufker wrote on Tue, 09 September 2008 23:00 |
She obviously has a petty, vindictive side of which Dick Cheney would be proud.
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True enough, and we didn't need rumors to know this. We only had to watch her introductory speech in Ohio (you did, didn't you?) and her stump speech at the Repugnican Feast of National Denigration to know this. She is Cheney writ more obnoxious and far less bright, Rove in a skirt. We need nothing more than to watch her to know this. And yet, despite how plain this is to see, people will vote for her, because she reflects their own white victim-hood and resentment at the loss of national domination.
That's the state of the right in this country, what Nixon and Atwater and Rove all knew. The way to reach people is to tap into their resentment at a perceived loss of what they think used to be theirs by right - cultural and capital dominion over the country. Its racism, and class-war, and apocalyptic all at once. Resentment of others is the key. Nixon was the king of resentment and he showed his party the way and remade it completely. The last Republican we had in national office was Ford, who decried what had become of his party before he died. The people who spoon fed Reagan his pablum and wiped his drool and propped him up in front oif cameras used ol' GE-Ronnie to put an affable face on Nixon's resentment, just like any good ad men do. Now we have resentment in go-go boots.
On the up side, now we know that ALL out-of-wedlock teen pregnancies are a blessing unto the nation and are to be celebrated. DS
mgod wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 10:16 | The way to reach people is to tap into their resentment ........... Resentment of others is the key.
| It's what keeps the blinders on the many self proclaimed liberals and conservatives for sure .
This looks to me to be an example of sarcastic resentment .
mgod wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 10:16 |
On the up side, now we know that ALL out-of-wedlock teen pregnancies are a blessing unto the nation and are to be celebrated.
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warning ; The moderates are coming ! The moderates are coming !
But it will take a while .
Here's the real list of banned books:
http://www.catsandbeer.com/politics/sarah-palin-banned-books -list
Realize that this is all irrelevant to the real issues at hand. The choice is extremely simple: if you believe government should provide services you will be willing to take on some taxation to that end. If you believe in "every man for himself", you should by all means vote for the Republicans. Strip away the media/political posturing and that's the choice you're left with. Choose wisely.
I don't know - its not that simple. I've paid more taxes under Republicans, for services NOT provided.
DS
mgod wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 12:05 | I don't know - its not that simple. I've paid more taxes under Republicans, for services NOT provided.
DS
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...and been burdened by the Republicans' record federal debt that will have to be paid back somewhere down the line in the form of even higher taxes.
Jay Kadis wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 12:12 | Realize that this is all irrelevant to the real issues at hand. The choice is extremely simple: if you believe government should provide services you will be willing to take on some taxation to that end. If you believe in "every man for himself", you should by all means vote for the Republicans. Strip away the media/political posturing and that's the choice you're left with. Choose wisely.
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Yes, well, there is the foreign policy stuff to be concerned with too. This is what scares me the most.
I'm not a person who would ever vote based on taxes. If I pay more, I pay more. If I pay less ,I pay less. Money means almost nothing to me. I have enough to pay my bills most of the time, and past that? Fuck it. I'm officially out of this constant race to the next dollar. For good.
What worries me is that these people will continue to get a bunch of us killed and lie about why.. Remember. Dead people are really dead. They don't talk, they don't love, they are dead.
I swear sometimes that Americans think this whole thing is a Law and Order episode. What don't they get about all these dead kids?
Having said that, if you look at the domestic issues and how the parties deal with taxes, Jay is right. If I did care about the money end of this, It would only ad to my reasons to vote for Obama. Barack is the only guy, {other than Hillary/Gal} who is talking about having to actually pay for all this shit.
I have a message for all you who would cry about your taxes. Stop being such a bunch of wimpy little 10 year olds. We have shit to pay for, if you don't like it, that's just to damn bad. Pay up..
Thanks..
Ivan.............................................
mgod wrote on Wed, 10 September 2008 10:05 | I don't know - its not that simple. I've paid more taxes under Republicans, for services NOT provided.
DS
| See? It IS that simple. (Well, nearly.)
http://www.herobuilders.com/08.htm
<http://www.suntimes.com/>
Roger Ebert on Sarah Palin: The American Idol candidate September 11, 2008
BY ROGER EBERT Sun-Times Movie Critic
I think I might be able to explain some of Sarah Palin's appeal. She's the "American Idol" candidate. Consider. What defines an "American Idol" finalist? They're good-looking, work well on television, have a sunny personality, are fierce competitors, and so talented, why, they're darned near the real thing. There's a reason "American Idol" gets such high ratings. People identify with the contestants. They think,
I'm in full agreement with the above.
-But on the subject of never having traveled abroad... -Don't bet against the Neo-Cons turning that into some sort of perverse "virtue".
I mean, they turn Obama's expertise and Harvard professorship, his editorship of the law review, -whatever... ordinarily indications that someone might be a bright individual- and they turn it into "elitism" or "celebrity" with nothing but vicious contempt in how those words are uttered.
I think back to -about 18 months ago- when I sat down over a beer with a couple of (dyed-in-the-wool Republican) bandmates and the conversation touched on John Edwards' chances at getting the nomination, -I made the passing observation that English-speaking overseas countries might not think much of the impression created by another strongly provicial (and VERY southern) accented leader.
The subsequent tone of their amused replies distinctly implied "you can't be serious". -One even said outright: "But Keith....THOSE people don't get to VOTE in these elections!!!"
-And that clued me in to something. -There is a pernicious feeling that "America is #1" which has somehow been dangerously extended to "F
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/61410aa4ff
Headline on ABCNEWS.COM now...
"ABC News: Palin says war with Russia may be necessary."
Um, does anyone know if she knows they have nukes?
And they're sort of an ally now?
garret wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 14:29 | Headline on ABCNEWS.COM now...
"ABC News: Palin says war with Russia may be necessary."
Um, does anyone know if she knows they have nukes?
And they're sort of an ally now?
| Well, she's obviously picked the right party...
Thanks for that Ebert article; I particularly like the last line:
"The most damning indictment against her is that she considered herself a good choice to be a heartbeat away. That shows bad judgment."
Pithy. The biggest giveaway that she's not the person for the job is that she thinks she's the person for the job.
-Grahame
garret wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 17:29 | Headline on ABCNEWS.COM now...
"ABC News: Palin says war with Russia may be necessary."
Um, does anyone know if she knows they have nukes?
And they're sort of an ally now?
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Don't know if I'd call Russia an ally .......
But , I had a dream the other night that ( McCain died ? not sure exactly ) Palin became commander in chief and that the Russians nuked Alaska . Guess what happened next ? ....... I'm not real clear what did happen next as I think that I woke up but this disturbing scenario has played itself over a few times in my brain since .
Truthfully , I don't see that actually occurring .
EDIT ....... here's more .http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/11/17013/9899/695/5952 69
"When asked by Gibson if under the NATO treaty, the U.S. would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.
"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told ABC News' Charles Gibson in an exclusive interview."
Pretty humorous watching the Palin witch hunt IMO . The more people look down their nose at her , the more it seems to backfire . Can't blame folks for trying . Too early to tell but so far she's jumping through hoops quite well .... likey or not .
russia was to be our economic ally; they would buy our goods and services; and we would buy their oil. i guess that someone had a problem with this arrangement...
instead, we decided that we would get our oil from the middle east, and oursourced our labor to china. also to borrow money from china; except for the chinese money which we lent to americans in order to maintain an illusion of continuous growth. there would be no point for us to do business with the russians... their economy has been buoyed by oil, but we chose not to buy oil from russia.
the housing boom stimulated the u.s. economy, but when the bubble burst, it resulted in the collapse of the u.s. dollar, and the sub prime crisis: http://freetech4teachers.blogspot.com/2008/07/cartoon-explan ation-of-sub-prime.html unfortunately, we bungled the war for oil. and our reputation as the "police of the world". so despite the proximity of bountiful venezualan oil, we find ourselves amidst an energy crisis too.
now we've provoked russia into starting a war, which we plan to join as soon as we can get rid of our pesky liberals. it is hoped that a further military investment can prop up the parts of our ecomony that are still important to us. (and there's oil in them thar hills!)
remember, we still make the best weapons systems. please buy them!
"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.
"I was able to get a sense of his soul.
"He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship," Mr Bush said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1392791.stm
jeff dinces
groundhog wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 16:10 |
"And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable," she told ABC News' Charles Gibson in an exclusive interview."
Pretty humorous watching the Palin witch hunt IMO . The more people look down their nose at her , the more it seems to backfire . Can't blame folks for trying . Too early to tell but so far she's jumping through hoops quite well .... likey or not .
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Well for her to say that Russia attacked without provocation is either ignorant or propagandistic. It was Georgia that attacked a region that was being supported politically by Russia, and Russia went in & repelled the Georgian forces.
GrahameD wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 18:13 | The biggest giveaway that she's not the person for the job is that she thinks she's the person for the job.
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God forbid that anyone should have confidence in themselves.
God forbid that a person should have an accurate assessment of themselves and say they are not qualified.
compasspnt wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 23:02 |
GrahameD wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 18:13 | The biggest giveaway that she's not the person for the job is that she thinks she's the person for the job.
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God forbid that anyone should have confidence in themselves.
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Having confidence and belief in yourself is a wonderful thing; so is self-awareness, and knowledge of where your strengths lie and do not lie.
in case anyone is seeking a link to bruce wilson's excellent video documentary on the wasilla assemblies of god church... here it is; a must see:
http://vimeo.com/1679097
jeff dinces
More fun
compasspnt wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 20:02 |
God forbid that anyone should have confidence in themselves
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I'd say, Terry, that there's a large gap between self-confidence and self-delusion. And I hate to harp on it but sometimes the difference is intelligence. Watching this woman speak, watching her be interviewed, only gives me deep concern that she's been handed a national well-financed platform to bluster on. I personally don't think she can understand the meaning of the qualifications issue here. There used to be a word used in this context, Cuomo used it quite a bit: gravitas.
Dan Quayle had plenty of confidence in himself.
DS
It bears watching...
(Click to see the sketch)
Keith
Wow! She has this Sarah woman nailed. This will be a fun season..
Thanks for posting. Funny stuff.
Ivan.................
Oops! removed by NBC...
Still here for now:
http://entertainment.msn.com/video/playern/?pid=2HLU_6evr__H BxqGVi6GzXEVAFNFvEq0>1=42003
compasspnt wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 23:02 |
GrahameD wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 18:13 | The biggest giveaway that she's not the person for the job is that she thinks she's the person for the job.
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God forbid that anyone should have confidence in themselves.
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As much as I disagree with her positions on the issues{ to the extent that she might have any}, I'm with Terry here. Of all the arguments to make against her, this aint one of 'em..
The above sentence makes no sense.. really, but ya know what I'm sayin'.. Right?
Never mind! I'm going back to bed! I don't want to fly across the country again for a while!
Night night#$%^&*(
Ivan...............
John Ivan wrote on Mon, 15 September 2008 14:35 |
compasspnt wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 23:02 |
GrahameD wrote on Thu, 11 September 2008 18:13 | The biggest giveaway that she's not the person for the job is that she thinks she's the person for the job.
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God forbid that anyone should have confidence in themselves.
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As much as I disagree with her positions on the issues{ to the extent that she might have any}, I'm with Terry here. Of all the arguments to make against her, this aint one of 'em..
The above sentence makes no sense.. really, but ya know what I'm sayin'.. Right?
Never mind! I'm going back to bed! I don't want to fly across the country again for a while!
Night night#$%^&*(
Ivan...............
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It's not 'confidence' that is the problem here... it's her Bush-esque sense of ENTITLEMENT...
She's completely lacking in humility or any other empathetic emotion....
Dear Piranhas ,
Here's a email that I just received that I do find fascinating . enjoy !
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Who am I?
I am under 45 years old and I love the outdoors, I hunt, I am a Republican reformer, I have taken on the Republican Party establishment, I have many children, I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office. Did you guess?
I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900
Great.. Now, if you don't mind. Please explain what this has to do with the Governor of Alaska.
Do you have a handle on her policies? What is it about her record and/or her positions that you find acceptable ..
1900 has nothing what ever to do with the subject at hand. Nothing.
Ivan.................
groundhog wrote on Mon, 15 September 2008 17:30 | Dear Piranhas ,
Here's a email that I just received that I do find fascinating . enjoy !
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Who am I?
I am under 45 years old and I love the outdoors, I hunt, I am a Republican reformer, I have taken on the Republican Party establishment, I have many children, I have a spot on the national ticket as vice president with less than two years in the governor's office. Did you guess?
I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900
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Let's see if that analogy holds up. Before Teddy ran for vice president he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, published military history texts that became academic standards, became a highly decorated military officer, was Chief of Police in New York City, assistant secretary of the Navy and then Governor of New York.
BZZZZZZZZZT! Sorry. Try again.
...And he really WAS a reformer.
Palin on the other hand is a repainted "Mutton dressed as Lamb"/"More of the same" hard-line Republican, who might possibly have more chance of success changing the brand of toilet paper in the Washington Ladies' lavatories... But that's about all we could hope for, other than going further down the pipe.
-This financial sewer-pipe which we're all headed down looks a lot like the S&L crap from twenty-plus years ago. -And just guess who had his fingers in THAT pie?
-Yup. John-Boy McCain.
Keith
ssltech wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 08:12 | ...And he really WAS a reformer.
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Yes he was. In fact, the modern Republican party was born in a conflict between the reform wing headed by TR and the corporatist wing headed by Taft. Guess which side won? (hint- TR ran in 1912 on a third party, Taft was the Republican candidate)
PRobb wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 05:19 |
ssltech wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 08:12 | ...And he really WAS a reformer.
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Yes he was. In fact, the modern Republican party was born in a conflict between the reform wing headed by TR and the corporatist wing headed by Taft. Guess which side won? (hint- TR ran in 1912 on a third party, Taft was the Republican candidate)
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Now THERE'S a fitting analogy. Here's Frank Rich on why:
September 14, 2008 The New York Times/Op-Ed Columnist The Palin-Whatshisname Ticket By FRANK RICH
WITH all due deference to lipstick, let’s advance the story. A week ago the question was: Is Sarah Palin qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency? The question today: What kind of president would Sarah Palin be?
It’s an urgent matter, because if we’ve learned anything from the G.O.P. convention and its aftermath, it’s that the 2008 edition of John McCain is too weak to serve as America’s chief executive. This unmentionable truth, more than race, is now the real elephant in the room of this election.
No longer able to remember his principles any better than he can distinguish between Sunnis and Shia, McCain stands revealed as a guy who can be easily rolled by anyone who sells him a plan for “victory,” whether in Iraq or in Michigan. A McCain victory on Election Day will usher in a Palin presidency, with McCain serving as a transitional front man, an even weaker Bush to her Cheney.
The ambitious Palin and the ruthless forces she represents know it, too. You can almost see them smacking their lips in anticipation, whether they’re wearing lipstick or not.
This was made clear in the most chilling passage of Palin’s acceptance speech. Aligning herself with “a young farmer and a haberdasher from Missouri” who “followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency,” she read a quote from an unidentified writer who, she claimed, had praised Truman: “We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity.” Then Palin added a snide observation of her own: Such small-town Americans, she said, “run our factories” and “fight our wars” and are “always proud” of their country. As opposed to those lazy, shiftless, unproud Americans — she didn’t have to name names — who are none of the above.
There were several creepy subtexts at work here. The first was the choice of Truman. Most 20th-century vice presidents and presidents in both parties hailed from small towns, but she just happened to alight on a Democrat who ascended to the presidency when an ailing president died in office. Just as striking was the unnamed writer she quoted. He was identified by Thomas Frank in The Wall Street Journal as the now largely forgotten but once powerful right-wing Hearst columnist Westbrook Pegler.
Palin, who lies with ease about her own record, misrepresented Pegler’s too. He decreed America was “done for” after Truman won a full term in 1948. For his part, Truman regarded the columnist as a “guttersnipe,” and with good reason. Pegler was a rabid Joe McCarthyite who loathed F.D.R. and Ike and tirelessly advanced the theory that American Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe (“geese,” he called them) were all likely Communists.
Surely Palin knows no more about Pegler than she does about the Bush doctrine. But the people around her do, and they will be shaping a Palin presidency. That they would inject not just Pegler’s words but spirit into their candidate’s speech shows where they’re coming from. Rick Davis, the McCain campaign manager, said that the Palin-sparked convention created “a whole new Republican Party,” but what it actually did was exhume an old one from its crypt.
The specifics have changed in our new century, but the vitriolic animus of right-wing populism preached by Pegler and McCarthy and revived by the 1990s culture wars remains the same. The game is always to pit the good, patriotic real Americans against those subversive, probably gay “cosmopolitan” urbanites (as the sometime cross-dresser Rudy Giuliani has it) who threaten to take away everything that small-town folk hold dear.
The racial component to this brand of politics was undisguised in St. Paul. Americans saw a virtually all-white audience yuk it up when Giuliani ridiculed Barack Obama’s “only in America” success as an affirmative-action fairy tale — and when he and Palin mocked Obama’s history as a community organizer in Chicago. Neither party has had so few black delegates (1.5 percent) in the 40 years since the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies started keeping a record.
But race is just one manifestation of the emotion that defined the Palin rollout. That dominant emotion is fear — an abject fear of change. Fear of a demographical revolution that will put whites in the American minority by 2042. Fear of the technological revolution and globalization that have gutted those small towns and factories Palin apotheosized.
And, last but hardly least, fear of illegal immigrants who do the low-paying jobs that Americans don’t want to do and of legal immigrants who do the high-paying jobs that poorly educated Americans are not qualified to do. No less revealing than Palin’s convention invocation of Pegler was the pointed omission of any mention of immigration, once the hottest Republican issue, by either her or McCain. Saying the word would have cued an eruption of immigrant-bashing ugliness, Pegler-style, before a national television audience. That wouldn’t play in the swing states of Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, where Obama already has a more than 2-to-1 lead among Hispanic voters. (Bush captured roughly 40 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2004.)
Since St. Paul, Democrats have been feasting on the hypocrisy of the Palin partisans, understandably enough. The same Republicans who attack Democrats for being too P.C. about race now howl about sexism with such abandon you half-expect Phyllis Schlafly and Carly Fiorina to stage a bra-burning. The same gang that once fueled Internet rumors and media feeding frenzies over the Clintons’ private lives now express pious outrage when the same fate befalls the Palins.
But the ultimate hypocrisy is that these woebegone, frightened opponents of change, sworn enemies of race-based college-admission initiatives, are now demanding their own affirmative action program for white folks applying to the electoral college. They want the bar for admission to the White House to be placed so low that legitimate scrutiny and criticism of Palin’s qualifications, record and family values can all be placed off limits. Byron York of National Review, a rare conservative who acknowledges the double standard, captured it best: “If the Obamas had a 17-year-old daughter who was unmarried and pregnant by a tough-talking black kid, my guess is if they all appeared onstage at a Democratic convention and the delegates were cheering wildly, a number of conservatives might be discussing the issue of dysfunctional black families.”
The cunning of the Palin choice as a political strategy is that a candidate who embodies fear of change can be sold as a “maverick” simply because she looks the part. Her marketers have a lot to work with. Palin is not only the first woman on a Republican presidential ticket, but she is young, vibrant and a Washington outsider with no explicit connection to Bush or the war in Iraq. That package looks like change even if what’s inside is anything but.
How do you run against that flashy flimflam? You don’t. Karl Rove for once gave the Democrats a real tip rather than a bum steer when he wrote last week that if Obama wants to win, “he needs to remember he’s running against John McCain for president,” not Palin for vice president. Obama should keep stepping up the blitz on McCain’s flip-flops, confusion, ignorance and blurriness on major issues (from education to an exit date from Iraq), rather than her gaffes and r
And on the topic of "taking on the establishment":
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sa rahpalin/2827217/Neoconservatives-plan-Project-Sarah-Palin-t o-shape-future-American-foreign-policy.html
Saw that one coming a mile away. Palin is a Neocon wet dream for a leader, having someone to mold ideologically without having to deal with all that "education" and "thinking". She is the perfect noble liar. I think she must be either a cynic, or dangerously naive, to be running a campaign on wanting to "stick it to the elites" and then get tutored on foreign policy by Bill Kristol.
Here's a little something about what to expect policy wise:
http://exiledonline.com/apocalypse-palin/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/suzy-shuster/an-open-letter-to -tina-fe_b_128582.html
Given that it's been about a MONTH now, Sarah Palin hasn't held a SINGLE press conference. We start the debates this week, and it's only about 6 weeks to the election.
...AND FOR SOME INEXPLICABLE REASON, PEOPLE STILL THINK THAT SHE'S NOT HIDING ANYTHING, NOR IS SHE IN ANY WAY CONCEALING A WEAKNESS.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_el_pr/palin_leader s
Keith
Apparently they learned their lesson after letting Dan Quayle speak in the presence of the press.
arlenthompson wrote on Tue, 16 September 2008 18:14 |
Palin is a Neocon wet dream for a leader, having someone to mold ideologically without having to deal with all that "education" and "thinking". She is the perfect noble liar. I think she must be either a cynic, or dangerously naive, to be running a campaign on wanting to "stick it to the elites" and then get tutored on foreign policy by Bill Kristol.
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I just had to repeat this.. It's some wild stuff we have going on these days in Presidential politics.
Good grief. Can they really win? I go back and forth being worried and laughing..
I admit. I'm a little afraid, nervous.
J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 10:43 |
Can't wait to see the Biden v. Palin debates.
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So , how was it ?
...you should know... it was in YOUR town!
Actually they both did very well, I thought. -No disaster, no "own-goals" scored. Both avoided detail on most of the questions, and often avoided the questions... though she perhaps did more of that than he did; -leaving as she did the subject very swiftly, and returning directly to her talking-points. Joe had a LOT more data, but data is very dry. She had homespun 'cookies and cupcakes' when she settled in (after about a half hour or so).
For the first... four I think... questions, EVERY Sarah Palin answer's first sentence contained the word "but" which immediately preceded a departure from the subject/topic and immediately onto scripted talking point.
Also, never mind winking (which she did quite a bit of), she was blinking at an average rate of once a second (a sign of stress) whereas Joe was blinking once every couple of sentences, perhaps... right up until about midway through the debate, when he SUDDENLY and precipitously increased his blink-rate to about once a second also, right when he felt 'obliged' to respond/react and reached his most aggressive behaviour of the night.
My feeling was that she 'got to him' on whatever the subject was (I'm afraid I don't recall what she'd said immediately before) and it did indeed take him a little while to 'cool off', but I really want to review the video to see what it was that prompted his mood change... -Even my wife said "Wow... -he's pissed about something" while he was replying.
On the whole it was a VERY creditable performance from both, with perhaps Palin impressing me most as a quick study, though I still cannot go with her or McCain, though I must declare that her ability to 'needle' an opponent must NOT be underestimated.
Keith
Keith
"...you should know... it was in YOUR town!"
No it wasn't. It was in Saint Louis, Missouri! MY home town.
Keith, I think you give Ms. Palin far too much credit for having "gotten to" Biden. It was clear - on the right side was a soccer mom and on the left side was an experienced statesman. She never angered him. He was just forceful a couple of times, stating clearly that Republican lies are just that. I didn't have any real opinion about Biden until last night. Now I respect him a lot. She tried needling him and she put the best face one could on the absolute nothing the Repugnants have to offer but it was still nothing.
Darn it... -I could've SWORN that I heard it was in St. Paul...
My abject and unreserved apologies to you both for confusing the two cities. -My geographically-challenged brain must have heard "St.. something Miss-something" and filled in the rest on auto=pilot.
She definitely played the "soccer mom" act right up to -and in my case at least, slightly beyond- the point of irritation, and the little winks, head nods and waves, the name-check of the school in Alaska ("where all the students are gonna get extra credit for watching this tonight!") etc. were a little TOO cutesy for my tastes...
-But I swear that Joe Biden started off the evening scarcely blinking (Ooh ya, dont'cha know... it was even a Palin quote that when she was offered the spot on the ticket she "didn't blink... -because ya know, if ya blink..." -but she sure as hell made up for all that non-blinking last night!) until a moment where he suddenly and dramatically increased his blink-rate... If I can find the spot I'll post it here, but I swear that something inside of him was 'triggered'.
And trust me, I don't want to give her undue credit, nor would I care to even consider that she could be the VP in a few months, without suppressing a gag reflex, -but I was impressed with how she improved over last week's "moose-in-the-headlights" interview bits.
Keith
I thought the first presidential debate was a draw. I thought last night was a clear win for Biden. Palin is a mannequin. She had about four answers that she repackaged over and over again. And her "gee gosh-a-whillickers" routine gets very grating very quickly.
Bottom line- the job of the VP is to be ready to become president. I can see Joe Biden in the oval office. Can anyone say with a straight face they can imagine Sarah Palin is ready to be president?
The 'quaver' in her voice gradually eased as she settled in, also.
First answer: "Ask a soccer mom... we're all just sick about this!".
Second answer: "America has the greatest people in the world"
Third answer: "Yer darn right... hockey moms and Joe Sixpack got talked into this by dose dere evil predator-lenders, don'tcha know!" (...and the response to Biden's third answer also begins "Darn right...") and a final rebuttal "I may not answer the questions the way that the moderator and you want to hear, but I wanna talk STRAIGHT to the American people...
...I see a wanna be 'populist' pattern developing.
-Reviewing it all the day afterwards, I DO think that Joe Biden did rather better than I initially gave him credit for... and Palin looks a little more 'desperate' in retrospect.
...Oh, and that "I call that the ultimate 'Bridge to Nowhere'" -JUST as the clock ticked out was a masterfully-timed "joke-grenade", which those attending the debate actually laughed at about four seconds afterwards... -VERY cleverly timed on Mr. Biden's part, I think.
Palin looks a little bit like this now that I review the recording..
...although she sounds like this:
Keith
Okay, here's the clip that I was thinking of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydnESMZ-WSE
At 3:28 in he asks to respond, and his blink rate finally matches hers... I think she knows that she's bothering him in some way, because her slightly condescending reply (at 4:22) is:
"Aaaah, say it aint' so, Joe. -There you go again, pointing backwards again though, -you prefaced your whole comment with 'the Bush administration', -now dog-gone it, let's tell Americans what we have, -to plan to do, -FOR them, -in the future..."
-If he'd even tried to be half that 'familiar', he'd have been torn to pieces.
Keith
ssltech wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 17:08 | Okay, here's the clip that I was thinking of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydnESMZ-WSE
At 3:28 in he asks to respond, and his blink rate finally matches hers... I think she knows that she's bothering him in some way, because her slightly condescending reply (at 4:22) is:
"Aaaah, say it aint' so, Joe. -There you go again, pointing backwards again though, -you prefaced your whole comment with 'the Bush administration', -now dog-gone it, let's tell Americans what we have, -to plan to do, -FOR them, -in the future..."
-If he'd even tried to be half that 'familiar', he'd have been torn to pieces.
Keith
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HA! Yeah, when they met on stage, she asked: "hey, is it OK if I call ya Joe?"-- he said "sure"..
Funny.. She's a trip..
Ivan.........................
Uhh ...... it was enjoyable . Sort of like seeing some child in a schoolyard after being ridiculed by a heartless lemming-like group of kids , coming out on top somehow ....... or like the story of the Ugly Duckling .
I was also left with the impression that Palin has a higher IQ and is more charismatic than Biden and McCain . Would love to see her in a talk with Obama or the 4 of them in some sort of group debate /discussion but can guarantee you that Obama's handlers would be afraid to do so .
SUBSTANTIVELY ...... they both did well . One more idealist , the other one more old-school imo .
<"Bottom line- the job of the VP is to be ready to become president. I can see Joe Biden in the oval office. Can anyone say with a straight face they can imagine Sarah Palin is ready to be president?">
The V.P.'s Job: The only duty the U.S. Constitution assigns the VP is to act as presiding officer of the Senate. But the VP also serves as ceremonial assistant to the President and is an important part of the President's administration.
The VP is only "a heartbeat away" from becoming the President. He or she must be ready to become President or Acting President if anything happens to the President. 13 VPs have gone on to become President, 8 because of the death of a President. Gerald Ford became President after Richard M. Nixon resigned, and the rest were elected to the office.
ANYHOW ...... She'd be an improvement over Bush if she started today .
groundhog wrote | ANYHOW ...... She'd be an improvement over Bush if she started today.
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...And with that I must differ most strongly.
Why would she possibly be an 'improvement'? -To me she's about the same. -Prepp-able (impressively) for a single arranged debate, able to read a script (okay... that alone is an improvement, I'll grant you) but just as inexperienced, just as religeously zealous (or perhaps even more so), and even more poorly educated. She still can't say "nuclear", she's a 'stalking horse' darling for the far-right, and she's still doggedly pitching to "gee-willickers" 'plain-folk' as her hail-Mary dying-seconds effort. She's made the same number of overseas trips as the Shrub when HE was elected (unless you count a drinking-binge trip to Cancun that he made in his younger days) and she's STILL for abstinance-only... -just like Bush the idiot.
So the only way that I can see her as an "improvement" is being able to modulate her voice more convincingly when she reads, and having a nicer rack.
In terms of education, I'd be terrified of her backing this country even further into the blind alley of ignorance than the shrub has done. -In terms of foreign policy she knows even less than the shrub does now. -In several other ways she's starting a LONG way behind when Bush became president: -After all, he had a year or more of campaigning to prepare... Seven weeks ago, she said she didn't know what the VP's job entails...
So while reasonable people might consider the notion that the notion that she'd be an 'improvement' over 'cockBusher', I doubt that MANY would conclude so. -Not once they've REALLY considered the facts impassively.
Add to that the following fact:
THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD -BY OVERWHELMING MAJORITY- THINKS THAT AMERICA WOULD FINALLY PROVE ITS LACK OF ABILITY TO SELF-GOVERN COMPETENTLY IF WE ELECTED THIS WOMAN VP.
Sobering.
Keith
The idea that Obama is in any way "afraid" of McCain or Palin is just some kind of a joke. Right?
Why do some folks simply not notice that there is only one campaign that is saying anything at all?? McCain is saying nothing new at all.. I've looked and looked, seriously. I have actually read nearly everything either campaign has said. McCain and Palin are coming up empty.. All they have is "Obama pals around with teristsiststs"..
The VP debate was a joke. Biden was being incredibly kind. He could have ripped her to shreds. He could have taken that debate over completely and asked her, "Do you know anything? Anything at all? Why are you even here? This is serious stuff. Who told you you could do this?"
But to many Americans would be "Shocked! Shocked I say!" that someone would have the balls to point out how completely irresponsible the Palin choice was. It would require real thought about the implications of this dim wit actually "accidentally" ending up in the White House.
What the Obama Folks have to be careful about, is saying, pointing out, reminding Americans what the truth is. This will get him in trouble in a hurry. Most people can't be bothered with it.
"Palin is a liar. She is dangerous because she isn't informed enough to hold the office. McCain is a two faced liar. There are hundreds of documents and decades of action that prove this."
People don't like this.
We might be screwed. If the republican party wins this thing because they were able to scare the American people into believing "Obama likes to hang out with them teriststssts", then my hunch that to many of us are honestly and hopelessly to stupid to deserve the nation we have, will have been proven beyond any doubt to be true. If this is going to be in the debate, then we don't deserve what we have..
It is so very disgusting. And predictable.
See why I say that the people who start this kind of thing should NOT be the people to finish it? I believe that Democrats have been pushed into a wall here again. And this time, they need to spend what ever they need to destroy the political lives of the top half of the neo-con movement..
If you accuse Obama of "hanging out with Terissssssts",, you should pay with your career.
Ivan...................
John Ivan wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 11:12 | The VP debate was a joke. Biden was being incredibly kind. He could have ripped her to shreds. He could have taken that debate over completely and asked her, "Do you know anything? Anything at all? Why are you even here? This is serious stuff. Who told you you could do this?"
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Totally.
I wasn't shocked to hear Sarah Palin accuse Obama of hanging out with terrorists yesterday (the Ayers reference), as many GOP pundits have said that the McCain campaign has to go ape-shit negative on Obama to have any chance of winning next month. But if McCain brings that point up in Tuesday's debate, I hope Obama hits back, for example by pointing out that McCain's campaign manager and senate chief of staff are both former senior lobbyists for Freddie Mac. That should resonate with a few voters.
Steve Hudson wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 13:11 | I wasn't shocked to hear Sarah Palin accuse Obama of hanging out with terrorists yesterday (the Ayers reference), as many GOP pundits have said that the McCain campaign has to go ape-shit negative on Obama to have any chance of winning next month. But if McCain bring that point up in Tuesday's debate, I hope Obama hits back, for example by pointing out that McCain's campaign manager and senate chief of staff are both former senior lobbyists for Freddie Mac. That should resonate with a few voters.
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Indeed. Also, I hope he points out what an insult to the American people it is for McCain to believe we are shallow and uninformed enough to except the language that Palin used. It's horrible.. Accusing a presidential candidate of being pals with terorists, isn't funny, and Obama should say as much..
Ivan.......................
Keating 5 and David Ifshin
McCain put country at risk with Palin pick says top GOP strategist. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/bush-strategist-mcc ain-kn_n_134570.html
Lil ditty, about Sarah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o
Astoundingly well done!! This warms my heart.. They are having a blast saying what they mean to say.. It's very clever for what it is and the guitar sound was pretty nice too.
Good on em'!!
Ivan..................
A brilliant piece by former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan on Palin:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122419210832542317.html
You've got to hand it to Reagan, he had a great speech writer.
Yep. Heh heh, he sure diddly did.
In the true spirit of a lament. The guy particularly.
Very clever and funny but watching this made me feel quite sad.
The McCain campaign really needs to keep this woman on script or locked up. Now she's telling people that as VP she would "run the Senate."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Yep.. She's gonna get right in there and run the Senate.. I bet they will be surprised!! You betcha!!
This woman knows nothing.. It's worse than I thought..
Ivan..................
John Ivan wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 15:24 |
This woman knows nothing.. It's worse than I thought..
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Its way worse than I'd hoped in my wildest dreams!
jimlongo wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 12:29 |
John Ivan wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 15:24 |
This woman knows nothing.. It's worse than I thought..
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Its way worse than I'd hoped in my wildest dreams!
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Yah, I'm getting gladder & gladder that McShame picked her.
comments from Chuck Todd regarding the upcoming NBC interview with McCain and Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3BeBglZks
Wow, just watched that live about 10 sec ago. He's searching for proper adjectives to describe the badness. "It's like..they're sort of..they seem..the chemistry isn't...I mean the body language just isn't.." When newscasters become speechless, that's something.
From Rosanne Cash, seen in Nashville:
John Ivan wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 15:24 | Yep.. She's gonna get right in there and run the Senate.. I bet they will be surprised!! You betcha!!
This woman knows nothing.. It's worse than I thought..
Ivan..................
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Nothing. Nothing at all. Incredible.
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