Post by: j.hall on November 29, 2005, 04:28:47 PM
the guy that creates all this is a lurker/poster around here. cool guy, incredible player!!!!
easily my current favorite record to listen to/try to keep up with.
enjoy!
Post by: Tidewater on November 29, 2005, 08:17:02 PM
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Post by: pg666 on November 30, 2005, 08:51:55 AM
I'm glad you're liking it, J.
officially 'outed',
brian
Post by: j.hall on November 30, 2005, 11:14:45 AM
but man, the radiant stuff is really good. if you could only find a drummer that could keep up it would be an awesome live show.
i know a REALLY good drummer that i hit up to contact you, but he doesn't think he can "hang". hey, i tired!
Post by: max cooper on December 06, 2005, 02:11:06 PM
Then right below that:
"Radiant Republic of Texas has 178 friends"
I'm confuzzed.
Nice work!
Post by: pg666 on December 06, 2005, 03:32:15 PM
besides, when's the last time you went to a bar or played frisbee with your 'myspace friend'?
Post by: j.hall on December 06, 2005, 03:47:54 PM
| pg666 wrote on Tue, 06 December 2005 14:32 |
besides, when's the last time you went to a bar or played frisbee with your 'myspace friend'? |
last firday night i hung out with about 40 of my myspace friends..............at a bar, no frisbee
Post by: danickstr on December 08, 2005, 12:59:54 AM
Post by: j.hall on December 08, 2005, 11:51:30 AM
i think the production is perfect for the style of music and what i perceive as the goal of such artistry.
it's supposed to be raw, slightly abrasive, and in your face. too much polish on this would make it to sterile.
Post by: xonlocust on December 08, 2005, 01:01:11 PM
| j.hall wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 10:51 |
i think it's called prog rock. i think there is not a single ounce of "punk" in the radiant republic of texas. |
here's where the interesting debate comes in - cuz i think it's punk as fuck - but i've always had to distinguish "punk" as in so-cal AFI or green day type punk - as nothing at all to do with punk.
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it's supposed to be raw, slightly abrasive, and in your face. too much polish on this would make it to sterile. |
which is precisely why i deem this punk, and green day american idiot a pop record.
this record was made by a dude who had an awesome idea, with pretty much zero hope of any financial gain, or more than gain, recoupment. it'll never be played live, and will probably never be played on the radio, and he probably paid for it all out of his own pocket with zero chance of seeing a dime for his work - and gets nothing other than the intrinsic satisfaction of doing things his own damn way despite the hundreds of reason's why it's a "bad" idea to do so. in that respect - it is punk as fuck and takes way more balls than fall out boy or whatever.
i guess you have to distinguish the mindset and environement in creating "the thing" from "the thing" that is created. the mindset and environment are what's more interesting, and probably most important to me.
like you know how on some feelgood summertime movie there's the inevitable high school party scene with the pop-punk background music that signifies rebellion and youth and that crap? that's so far far removed from what is punk in my mind. that is a characacture of what punk is. a poorly abstracted and recontextualized pastiche of elements of punk from the 70s to today.
not that i'm arguing j. - i know you know where i'm coming from - i'm just trying to clarify for others.
in other news i watched jay z's fade to black the other night and was totally amazed. i have a new found respect for him and was struck to how similar i thought hip-hop and punk was - that's one that's sure to raise some eyebrows.
like i'm gozar the keymaster of declaring what is and isn't punk or something...
just my overrated opinion.Post by: j.hall on December 08, 2005, 01:19:07 PM
if we think of all these labels (which i hate) as a sorta "kingdom, class, species" type thing. one could easily put Punk at the top of all the sub genres that have now been labeled "indie rock". it isn't super fast and nasty like "punk rock" once was. but it closely resembles the same mindset.
so yeah, radiant republic of texas is punk rock for that.
but the poster above is refering to the music. where you and i can sit for hours and debate sweater rock vs. emo-core it makes no freaking difference.
the poster thought RROT was punk rock by style. sorry, no shirt, no shoes, no dice!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it's not punk. it's over indulgent indie rock.....it's PROG at it's very finest. eat your heart out mars volta we give you the radiant republic of texas.............
so if we are going to cast stones (labels) let's just end it......
RROT is rock n roll. if you dig the brand of rock they are creating, AWESOME, if you aren't, find another flavor and nod your head to that.
it's all rock n roll
gozar the keymaster signing off! (that's right kids, i'm the flippin keymaster around here and don't you forget it!)
Post by: scott volthause on December 08, 2005, 01:47:16 PM
Suck.
Good.
Awesome.
Bad Ass.
I'd put RROT into Bad Ass.
Post by: craig boychuk on December 08, 2005, 01:53:24 PM
Nice work, Brian!
I rarely want to purchase music, but I'm gonna have to get a copy of that stuff...!!!!! Not that I mind spending money on music, I just can't find anything I like.
If only I weren't so far away, maybe you'd have a drummer...
ha ha ha...
craig
Post by: xonlocust on December 08, 2005, 02:03:40 PM
| scott volthause wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 12:47 |
I'd like to see music get narrowed down to about 4 genre's... Suck. Good. Awesome. Bad Ass. I'd put RROT into Bad Ass. |
true - how true!
overintellectualizing something that shouldn't be intellectualized....
Post by: NelsonL on December 08, 2005, 02:21:33 PM
| xonlocust wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 10:01 | ||
here's where the interesting debate comes in - cuz i think it's punk as fuck - but i've always had to distinguish "punk" as in so-cal AFI or green day type punk - as nothing at all to do with punk. |
Oddly enough, those are both Nor Cal bands. Go figure.
Post by: xonlocust on December 08, 2005, 02:39:52 PM
| rattleyour wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 13:21 | ||||
Oddly enough, those are both Nor Cal bands. Go figure. |
whatever. when's california gonna fall into the ocean anyway?
Post by: John Ivan on December 08, 2005, 02:40:40 PM
I dig all kinds of stuff. I like everything from Black Flag, Rage Against the Machine to Earth Wind And Fire, Tower Of Power, The Fab four and all in between..
This, to me is somewhat punkish from a vocal stand point, but musically, it reminds me of early YES and so on. Not that it "sounds" like that really, just the mind set it takes to present such rich musical ideas, is clearly present here..
Interesting to note that this could played on the Piano and could be seen as being somewhat ground breaking "post modern" Art by people who don't go anywhere near electric guitar music. ;-}
I'm very impressed. AND I like it too.. Great job..... Thanks for doing it!!!
Ivan........................................
Post by: j.hall on December 08, 2005, 03:24:41 PM
| xonlocust wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 13:39 |
whatever. when's california gonna fall into the ocean anyway? |
i've heard that some people are buying up property along the NV border for the future projection of it being beach front.
sad but true...........
Post by: NelsonL on December 08, 2005, 03:28:11 PM
| xonlocust wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 11:39 | ||||||
whatever. when's california gonna fall into the ocean anyway? |
Depends-- when are you playing out here?
Whatever on hot topic punk to be sure, but whatever on the different and varied regions of this great state? No sir, no indeed.
Perhaps you're merely alergic to beauty, being that you're from the midwest.
I kid, I kid.
Chicago is a lovely burg by the way-- only been there once to speak of, oddly enough considering I've been to Milwaukee four or five times. Anyway we ate at this Black Israelite Vegetarian Soul Food restaurant that was awesome.
Post by: NelsonL on December 08, 2005, 03:30:27 PM
| j.hall wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 12:24 | ||
i've heard that some people are buying up property along the NV border for the future projection of it being beach front. sad but true........... |
Right... cuz the ocean is acutely aware of state borders.
Post by: xonlocust on December 08, 2005, 03:33:24 PM
| rattleyour wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 14:28 | ||||||||
Depends-- when are you playing out here? Whatever on hot topic punk to be sure, but whatever on the different and varied regions of this great state? No sir, no indeed. Perhaps you're merely alergic to beauty, being that you're from the midwest. I kid, I kid. Chicago is a lovely burg by the way-- only been there once to speak of, oddly enough considering I've been to Milwaukee four or five times. Anyway we ate at this Black Israelite Vegatarian Soul Food restaurant that was awesome. |
no - i'm just joking too - i lived in san francisco for a short period and have family there too - i'm just playing around. personally i love chicago - SF is on the very short list of other places i would live - and bottom of the hill is perhaps he best venue i've ever played.
Post by: pg666 on December 08, 2005, 04:18:57 PM
i think i agree with most of what people are saying.. it IS probably punk rock philosophically, but not necessarily sonically. in the early 80s everything from sonic youth to mission of burma to saccharine trust was 'punk rock'. nowadays it's synonimous with gallup beats and downstroke muting or whatever. i feel like if you have to say "well, it's like punk rock the way punk rock was before it became corrupted by charlatans and.." then maybe 'punk rock' is no longer a useful term. i dunno.. i like abrasive music, i like minor-key melodies, i like dynamics and odd-time signatures (i DON'T like prog.. go figure), so it is what it is. i think if more people made music based on elements they like (even if they don't know how it will turn out) instead of thinking what genre they want to be a part of, there would be a hell-of-a lot more great records being made right now.
..and thank you for the compliments.
Post by: j.hall on December 08, 2005, 04:34:56 PM
| rattleyour wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 14:30 |
Right... cuz the ocean is acutely aware of state borders. |
similar to my thoughts when i heard of this trend.
brian.....find a drummer and take RROT to the street already. i want to see these songs live with you standing on the PA stack playing in 15/8.
Post by: NelsonL on December 08, 2005, 04:59:40 PM
| xonlocust wrote on Thu, 08 December 2005 12:33 | ||||||||||
no - i'm just joking too - i lived in san francisco for a short period and have family there too - i'm just playing around. personally i love chicago - SF is on the very short list of other places i would live - and bottom of the hill is perhaps he best venue i've ever played. |
Playing there tomorrow night!
Post by: danickstr on December 08, 2005, 08:25:47 PM
Many folks think that to clean it up will hurt its vibe. Only in the hands of someone who doesn't understand the vision of the artist's original intentions.
Post by: pg666 on December 08, 2005, 09:50:34 PM
i don't think the way it was recorded has anything to do with it. it certainly wasn't recorded on lo-fi equipment to give it some kind of grungy 'edge' or anything.
Post by: bblackwood on December 08, 2005, 10:30:11 PM
I think the stuff sounds great as is, but I'm admittedly biased...
Post by: j.hall on December 09, 2005, 10:18:09 AM
how many records have you ever heard like this that were completely done by only three people. that's impressive.
Post by: danickstr on December 09, 2005, 11:50:12 AM
Do they risk the production pitfalls to try it or not? It's great to have a niche market, but if the music really says something, doesn't it deserve a chance in a bigger arnea?
Post by: TheViking on December 09, 2005, 12:32:36 PM
When I was interning, a producer then told me this. You could have the best gear and get the best sounds in the best rooms and have the best label and best marketing budget, even get on the best tour. If the song isn't happening, no one cares.
Just some food for thought. Enjoying RROT a ton - thanks again!
Post by: pg666 on December 09, 2005, 01:55:58 PM
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I guess the real question is how successful do the artists want to be? They won't sell a million copies of its current incarnation, since mainstream US doesn't buy the messy stuff. |
first of all, i'm not sure why anyone would bother with an 'indie rock' forum if they felt like 'success' was defined by popularity. i'm sure 99% of people out there haven't heard of most of the records that have changed my friggin' life, but big deal.. i'm sure other posters here relate.
also, there's a great Albini quote somewhere where he says "used bins are full of note-for-note perfect sounding records". if there was a formula for guaranteed mainstream acceptance, everyone would use it all the time making hit after hit. i think it's funny seeing friends at work (who could be considered a 'mainstream' audience) going to Best Buy to spend $17 on Nirvana or Sublime demos (or White Stripes albums) when there's a sea of 'perfect production' shit floating out there.
Post by: Greg Norman on December 09, 2005, 03:26:38 PM
| j.hall wrote on Fri, 09 December 2005 09:18 |
so, we've had brian and brad comment, now all we need is greg norman and the production team will be complete. how many records have you ever heard like this that were completely done by only three people. that's impressive. |
The circle is now complete.
I get blown away when he comes in to record. Brian sets up his drums, we get sounds, then pounds out the songs a capella. He must have an inplant of some sort. From a recording stand point, it's refreshing to have a guy come in knowing exactly what he wants and just record him getting it. In addition to that, RRoT has the benifit of no hi-hat! I don't know how the hi-hat, no hi-hat factor fits in with the genre discussion. I would call it: post punk/alt poptry/electronica-wave-noise-indy/emoist-krunk metal, with a whisp of pre space-surf/dyneminimalism, and capital-garage/rumsfeldica. However, I get mixed up on these sometimes.
Hopefully he'll get a band that can play this stuff live.
Post by: j.hall on December 09, 2005, 04:03:45 PM
| Greg Norman wrote on Fri, 09 December 2005 14:26 |
Hopefully he'll get a band that can play this stuff live. |
we're (meaning me) are working on that.
Post by: TheViking on December 09, 2005, 05:23:24 PM
LMAO!
Post by: pg666 on December 09, 2005, 05:27:06 PM
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emoist-krunk metal |
you mean, like, the bitter tears? (hi greg!)
drummer tryouts suuuuck, but yeah, i imagine this stuff will start to take shape within the next 2 years. basically, if one can count along with it, play agressively, and not expect to make much money.. they're in.
Post by: danickstr on December 10, 2005, 01:35:52 AM
Anyway, barring any smartass responses, I will give you back your indy peninsula.
Post by: j.hall on December 10, 2005, 04:08:08 PM
the only problem is that your developing a slight disdain for what it is we all believe in around here. most of the people in this forum not only LOVE indie rock as an artform and an extension of their lives (sometime it IS their life) we also have no ambition to sell 50 million records.
to it's own detriment, RRoT (and many, many other bands) are creating art for the sole sake of self enjoyment, exploration, fullfillment, and for the sake of the art itself. as over indulgent as that may seem, it's what we do, and it's what we want to do......and it's what we love.
would anyone of us take commercial sucess? you bet we would.
would we compromise our control and creative direction for said commercial sucess? i highly doubt it.
the underground rock scene is all about fans coming to you, not about you going to the fans.
Post by: danickstr on December 12, 2005, 11:32:30 AM
I never said anthing about creative control going away. You may be right to assume that would happen in most cases, but there have been exceptions.
Post by: j.hall on December 12, 2005, 12:12:44 PM
| danickstr wrote on Mon, 12 December 2005 10:32 |
but there have been exceptions. |
there are always exceptions
Post by: pg666 on January 15, 2006, 01:43:49 PM
http://www.myspace.com/radiantrepublicoftexas
rock
[edit] another remix is now up.. it's called 'clayton williams'
Post by: ironsheik on February 08, 2007, 11:31:59 AM
It was all done on our 3M M56 using GP9 which I hit pretty hard throughout. I never liked hitting GP9 hard but with this stuff I felt like the high end distortion on the guitars only made it all the more gnarly. I used our Ampex 440 modules for the guitar pres. They rule.
This is some of the most complicated/loud yet completely accessible music I've heard. I really hope you can find a suitable drummer some day Brian. Lata,
Josh
Post by: ironsheik on February 08, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: j.hall on February 08, 2007, 02:32:37 PM
Post by: pg666 on February 08, 2007, 05:22:58 PM
to others reading, this is the record J. was referring to:
mp3:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jo4uis
m4a:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/db8wro
a new band is in the works. we'll see how it goes..
EDIT to update links
Post by: danickstr on February 08, 2007, 10:53:01 PM
Post by: pg666 on February 09, 2007, 12:05:42 PM
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and I am still wondering whither the treble goes |
are you saying the mixes are dark?
you wouldn't be the first! heh
Post by: danickstr on February 12, 2007, 09:14:32 PM
Post by: floodstage on February 12, 2007, 10:52:33 PM
(Please take this as it was meant: a compliment)
Crazy timings and guitrs doing very wrong things so right.
Loving it!
(btw, your MySpace numbers have double since this thread started)
Post by: pg666 on February 13, 2007, 08:00:03 PM
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There are hints of King Crimson's CD Dicipline in there (Please take this as it was meant: a compliment) |
thanks! that's a good thing, even if that album has a lot of Roland Jazz Chorus and 'Sticks'.
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(btw, your MySpace numbers have double since this thread started) |
i'd hope so! it's almost a year and a half old, heh.
Post by: j.hall on February 14, 2007, 01:59:24 AM
| pg666 wrote on Tue, 13 February 2007 19:00 |
i'd hope so! it's almost a year and a half old, heh. |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
when this thread popped back up i had forgotten what the hell it was about.
i thought, "whoa, something is blowing my mind from over a year ago........."
Post by: Ali Moniack on February 14, 2007, 02:04:52 AM
I like it, though, despite it's dissimilarity to Bach.
Post by: scott volthause on February 14, 2007, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: A Thompson on February 19, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
Thank you whoever dug up this thread.
Post by: pg666 on February 19, 2007, 07:18:46 PM
..and everyone else, of course.
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on March 28, 2007, 01:31:41 PM
I wonder how many freaky styles are beginning to pop up...
breaking mixing/musical rules and ad-hoc principles completely...
There is no place for revolution only evolution is successfull...
Listen Jazz, Learn harmony, learn so many interesting things, how it was evaolving from old time until now, learn something.
Want good drummer?, listen to the best drummers like Dave Weckl for example... He really understands how music works...While adds to it with ad-hoc principle, not breaking everything...Playing absolutely all styles and understanding each, mixing styles, producing new enfluencies, etc.///
There is all that crazy metal? indie rock? (i refer that indie rock which is equal to indie movies....)? How much of it survive? Only what is musically interesting... And not breaking everything, which ear is not used to hear, i think something like this track can be listened in 2040...
I really hope what music won't evolve in that direction...
direction of no quality, absense of mixing structures - just piece of sound....
Post by: dconstruction on March 28, 2007, 02:41:25 PM
L
Post by: garret on March 28, 2007, 02:53:53 PM
Genres/styles/formulas suck. Duke Ellington said it best: "There are only two kinds of music: Good music, and the other kind."
If you don't like something, fine, just say "not my cuppa tea" or something, or shut your pie hole. Don't criticise something for not being what you expected or not fitting into a predefined pattern.
Ugh.
Post by: pg666 on March 28, 2007, 03:19:29 PM
seems pretty complimentary to me!
(and I don't even consider this music all that 'radical')
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on March 29, 2007, 02:08:05 AM
| garretg wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 13:53 |
I quite like bands that "haven't gotten the memo"... Working in your own world, with only your muse and whatever echoes remain from the great music you grew up listening to. Genres/styles/formulas suck. Duke Ellington said it best: "There are only two kinds of music: Good music, and the other kind." If you don't like something, fine, just say "not my cuppa tea" or something, or shut your pie hole. Don't criticise something for not being what you expected or not fitting into a predefined pattern. Ugh. |
Intereasting what Duke would say if he listened this...
Post by: Vladislavs Korehovs on March 29, 2007, 02:15:31 AM
| garretg wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 13:53 |
I quite like bands that "haven't gotten the memo"... Working in your own world, with only your muse and whatever echoes remain from the great music you grew up listening to. Genres/styles/formulas suck. Duke Ellington said it best: "There are only two kinds of music: Good music, and the other kind." If you don't like something, fine, just say "not my cuppa tea" or something, or shut your pie hole. Don't criticise something for not being what you expected or not fitting into a predefined pattern. Ugh. |
Intereasting what Duke would say if he listened this...
And Duke Ellington have developed Jazz harmony and many "rules" what you confront, interesting what if he just start to resolve G7 into just just C instad of CMaj7, will it be reasonable, or just break all jazz voicings and started playing 1-3-5-6 block chords? ala Dixilend...The knowlege and work is a key to great music... i still hope somebody could understand what i mean....