Post by: Jonah A. Kort on September 26, 2008, 02:39:54 AM
it in a while, but I'm thinking about put it up just in case from
now on.
Post by: NelsonL on September 26, 2008, 03:52:38 AM
Post by: ATOR on September 26, 2008, 05:56:31 AM
Post by: craig boychuk on September 26, 2008, 10:37:30 AM
Sometimes I don't use the bottom mic for crispiness at all, but more to beef up the snare sound.
Throw on judiciously tuned LPF and you can really bring out the body of the drum without the crispy bits.
-craig-
Post by: Ryan Slowey on September 26, 2008, 12:29:10 PM
Post by: ShakesTheClown on September 26, 2008, 01:50:18 PM
I find that if I need more snap from the snare I probably need more slap from the kick drum as well.
Post by: rankus on September 26, 2008, 02:02:14 PM
I always take a bottom mic, and use it in the mix at least 99% of the time.
Really handy for bringing out ghost notes / drags etc as well as all the reasons mentioned above.
Post by: j.hall on September 26, 2008, 02:21:17 PM
very useful for maintaining that "open" snare sound.
Post by: Jonah A. Kort on September 26, 2008, 04:26:32 PM
| NelsonL wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 02:52 |
I usually prefer additional room mics to a bottom snare, but we only have so many inputs where I'm used to working. I really need the sound of the snare exciting the room, and you can't get that from a sample or a bottom mic per se. |
I only have some many microphones. I only have two LDCs and I
had two SDCs but one of them decided to stop work. And I'm
starting to use the one SDC (sm81) on the snare top. It sounds
more better than an sm57. I wonder if it has to do with the
large number hehe. I do however duplicate the overheads in the
Protools and hit that with a heavier handed compression to
emulate room mics. I also record in a basement so I take the
sounds I can get.
Post by: beau on September 26, 2008, 05:03:50 PM
peace
beau
Post by: craig boychuk on September 26, 2008, 05:13:35 PM
Simplify, simplify.
-craig-
Post by: Jonah A. Kort on September 26, 2008, 05:40:57 PM
the kick a couple feet, mic on the kick, and mic on the floor tom
so it doesn't lost (or is that too complex) oh and a good drummer.
That's how you get a good snare drum sound, like TNT. hehe
Post by: beau on September 26, 2008, 06:41:40 PM
| Jonah A. Kort wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 14:40 |
Mono LDC in front of the drums, close though, like at the front of the kick a couple feet, mic on the kick, and mic on the floor tom so it doesn't lost (or is that too complex) oh and a good drummer. That's how you get a good snare drum sound, like TNT. hehe |
thats what im talkin about! one mic for the band, one for the main vocal... makes mixing way easier with only 2 tracks to work with.
hahaha
peace
beau
Post by: grantis on September 26, 2008, 07:45:42 PM
Post by: meverylame on September 26, 2008, 10:57:05 PM
But really.... not kidding try it.
Same with kick in/kick out.
Post by: grantis on September 27, 2008, 12:50:38 AM
| meverylame wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 21:57 |
Or just grow a pair and bus them together on input. But really.... not kidding try it. Same with kick in/kick out. |
I don't think I'm ready for that! haha.
Post by: Jonah A. Kort on September 27, 2008, 02:22:45 AM
Post by: meverylame on September 27, 2008, 11:45:53 AM
| grant richard wrote on Sat, 27 September 2008 00:50 |
I don't think I'm ready for that! haha. |
If you're recording drums... you're ready just use your ears and boldly move forth. Its really pretty liberating all said and done.
Actually here's a great one that I saw the other day.
Build and XLR y-cable. One male end, two females. On one of the two female ends switch pins 2 and 3 so that you have effectively phase reversed one side of it. And then find two mics that impedance match nicely. Oddly enough 421s and 57s do this well. And there you go. Summed down. At the cable. You wanna mess with the phase.... go move the mic. Killer on toms.
And then you can really make J wanna shoot you and sum all the toms down to one stereo track on input.
Post by: beau on September 27, 2008, 12:32:53 PM
im not really feelin the y cable on snare, because i almost never use the bottom mic that loud in the mix.
just my opinion.
peace
beau
Post by: rankus on September 27, 2008, 01:23:27 PM
| beau wrote on Sat, 27 September 2008 09:32 |
im not really feelin the y cable on snare, because i almost never use the bottom mic that loud in the mix. beau |
Me too. I often like to treat the bottom differently (eq/comp etc) as well. I usually don't know what the treatment will be until mix. But then again I am the guy that likes to print separate mics for guitar amps instead of busing them too.
Post by: j.hall on September 29, 2008, 10:54:39 AM
| meverylame wrote on Sat, 27 September 2008 10:45 |
And then you can really make J wanna shoot you and sum all the toms down to one stereo track on input. |
i'll deal with whatever is delivered. doesn't mean i have to smile about it.
printing top and bottom snare mics to one track is NOT ideal for me. but i'm sure i can use enough samples to get what i wanted.
Post by: compasspnt on October 01, 2008, 09:07:31 AM
| Jonah A. Kort wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 02:39 |
How many of you all use a bottom mic on the snare? |
Never.
Bottom snare mics sound awful.
BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"?
Post by: j.hall on October 01, 2008, 10:30:57 AM
that's engineering 101, imo.
Post by: rankus on October 01, 2008, 01:24:13 PM
| compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 06:07 |
How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"? |
Always during tracking, and then checked again when beginning the mix. All mics checked for phase at both stages actually.
Post by: pg666 on October 03, 2008, 06:49:31 PM
i just recorded my drummer's kit with a 57 on the beater and it picked up quite a bit of bottom snare. if i end up using a lot of beater in the mix, i'll probably have to gate it because that brissly toothbrush sound makes the snare wimpy, to me.
i could see it being a good thing for light brush playing or something, but for a thick rock snare i don't think i'll ever like it.
Post by: ericswan on October 05, 2008, 12:46:48 AM
Post by: Jonah A. Kort on October 05, 2008, 05:39:57 AM
| compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 08:07 | ||
Never. Bottom snare mics sound awful. BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"? |
When you solo it, but listens to a mix with the bottom mic soloed?
Post by: grantis on October 05, 2008, 08:42:51 AM
| compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 08:07 | ||
Never. Bottom snare mics sound awful. BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"? |
Yes, they do sound awful...... by themselves that is.
With support, they're VERY beneficial.
Post by: Jonah A. Kort on October 05, 2008, 05:32:57 PM
have a bottom mic available...
...assuming the drummer knows how to play the drums...I hate making
an ass of me(self)...and you too
Post by: j.hall on October 05, 2008, 06:32:29 PM
| grant richard wrote on Sun, 05 October 2008 07:42 | ||||
Yes, they do sound awful...... by themselves that is. With support, they're VERY beneficial. |
in a dense rock mix, the bottom snare mic gives you the "snare" sound to make the snare drum still sound open. i haven't found another way of doing that, sans a sample that already has a lot of that sound in it.
Post by: bushwick on October 06, 2008, 05:27:55 PM
| compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 09:07 | ||
Never. Bottom snare mics sound awful. BTW: How many of you using the bottom snare mic are reversing "phase"? |
More often than not, I find that I am only reversing polarity. Although on kick and bass DI/Bass amp situations I like the IBP to screw with the phase. Fun shtuff.
And I like me a bottom snare mic. If I want large-marge drum sounds, the beef almost more than the sizzle is what I'm looking for when pulling up le fader on the bottom mic.
Au revoir.
Post by: j.hall on October 06, 2008, 09:32:11 PM
Post by: grantis on October 06, 2008, 11:35:02 PM
| j.hall wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 20:32 |
you get beef off the bottom snare mic? |
And how are you getting said beef?
Post by: Tomas Danko on October 07, 2008, 07:31:29 AM
But then there are snares where, upon being hit, the bottom skin actually gets sucked in/upwards and thus the "polarity" of the air push/pull is already reversed going into the bottom mic. If you flip the polarity of the bottom mic, it fixes the sum of the top- and bottom mic but suddenly the bottom mic is not properly capturing the movement of the bottom skin. Tricky business.
That's why they do them holes in the side of the snare.
So sometimes you actually need to flip the polarity of the bottom snare due to other reasons than the good old "it's pointing towards the top mic".
Post by: j.hall on October 07, 2008, 10:16:33 AM
Post by: compasspnt on October 07, 2008, 09:52:48 PM
Post by: PaulyD on October 08, 2008, 06:23:54 AM
| compasspnt wrote on Wed, 01 October 2008 06:07 |
Bottom snare mics sound awful. |
But if the top snare mic sounds awful, a bottom snare mic makes a terrific trigger for Drumagog...
Post by: bushwick on October 08, 2008, 11:00:08 AM
Post by: Tomas Danko on October 09, 2008, 08:57:32 AM
Post by: osumosan on October 09, 2008, 09:47:09 AM
Post by: iamryancork on January 19, 2009, 11:05:36 PM
Post by: NelsonL on January 20, 2009, 01:36:07 AM
| iamryancork wrote on Mon, 19 January 2009 20:05 |
I've always used a bottom snare mic until this week when the guy assisting convinced me to try without! I listened to him since we had a great sound going without it. Come to find out, I do miss it now, but won't die without it. |
It seems to me this a somewhat unexplored area for sample sets-- I suppose they might confuse people by sounding completely unusable on their own, but blended in might be a different story.
Post by: iamryancork on January 20, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
| NelsonL wrote on Tue, 20 January 2009 00:36 |
It seems to me this a somewhat unexplored area for sample sets-- I suppose they might confuse people by sounding completely unusable on their own, but blended in might be a different story. |
Could be true, I don't often use samples but may find myself creating some for this project.