lagerfeldt wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 09:05 |
I did a little digging and being way too lazy to go thru the huge pile of posts I did a new one... Yesterday I did a SRC from 48 to 44.1 using the Core Audio driver, and it struck me how bad it sounds, although I can't exactly put my finger on it.. "smeared" would be the word. I've decided to get another program just for sample rate conversion, so which is the best on Mac? Bias Peak? BTW Peak looks like a damn nice program, maybe that's me switching from WaveBurner. |
lagerfeldt wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 08:05 |
Yesterday I did a SRC from 48 to 44.1 using the Core Audio driver, and it struck me how bad it sounds, although I can't exactly put my finger on it.. "smeared" would be the word. I've decided to get another program just for sample rate conversion, so which is the best on Mac? |
Andy Krehm wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 15:24 |
Contact Daniel Weiss to see if he has ported Saracon over to the Mac yet. He has been working on it for a few months and must be just about finished. Judging from reviews by PC owners, I believe that will be your best bet. If you can't wait, I think the one made by Antares, at half the price, would be your next choice (sorry can't remember the name). Andy, Silverbirch Productions |
Daniel Weiss wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 21:48 | ||
Not quite done yet with the mac version. But it is progressing well. Daniel |
Daniel Weiss wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 22:48 | ||
Not quite done yet with the mac version. But it is progressing well. Daniel |
Daniel Weiss wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 15:48 | ||
Not quite done yet with the mac version. But it is progressing well. |
Bob Boyd wrote on Tue, 30 May 2006 08:59 |
Reletively, it feels expensive for sample rate conversion but considering you're getting the same quality as the $3900 SFC2, it's worth it. |
Jerry Tubb wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 03:43 |
Look forward to doing a Saracon vs Barbabatch shootout. 48/96k to 44.1kHz. Best Regards JT |
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Done this a million times. It won't even be close. |
Matt_G wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 17:34 | ||
Actually Barbabatch sounds more transparent to the original source file then Saracon, read my previous post. Matt |
Matt_G wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 10:04 |
check out this website http://src.infinitewave.ca/.... It shows detailed passband & transition FFT's from the majority of SRC algorithms available today (both on the PC & the Mac) including Weiss Saracon, Barbabatch, Peak 5 etc. |
Bob Boyd wrote on Tue, 30 May 2006 08:59 |
The "lite" version (stereo, 96k PCM) is $900. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Wed, 31 May 2006 10:50 |
When this thread first appeared, I brought it to Audio Ease' attention. They said a 64 bit version is in development. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 01 June 2006 11:55 |
While I am a Barbabatch fan -- and while I'll agree "what sounds good *is* good," to determine if product A is better than product B, there has got to be some solid, professional testing. Anecdotal evidence is fine for that individual, but only double blind listening tests and correctly performed measurements can determine which is "better." |
AlanS wrote on Thu, 01 June 2006 21:10 |
No SRC is perfect and the differences between the best ones are very small. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Fri, 02 June 2006 12:33 |
Because you haven't used an antialiasing filter, the sound should be more open than it would be otherwise because there are no phase shifts due to the antialiasing filter. |
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NOTE: Music with a great deal of high frequency content won't sound good with this method because of all the aliases. But classical and jazz should do well. |
Jerry Tubb wrote on Thu, 22 March 2007 17:21 |
Just thought I'd mention there's a new update for Barbabatch - v.4.0.36. http://www.audioease.com/Pages/BarbaBatch4/versionhistory.ht ml I discovered it yesterday, was still using v4.0.29 from last year. JT |
Jerry Tubb wrote on Fri, 23 March 2007 03:21 |
Just thought I'd mention there's a new update for Barbabatch - v.4.0.36. http://www.audioease.com/Pages/BarbaBatch4/versionhistory.ht ml I discovered it yesterday, was still using v4.0.29 from last year. JT |
Ralf Kleemann wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 02:21 |
Sample Manager 3 is currently on a 70$ offer. I got mine yesterday. Even if you just buy it for the batch processing, e. g. for mass-joining split stereo files, I think it's totally worth it. Together with Automator, you can build droplets that perform a specific task, which can save quite a bit of time. http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/sample_manager.php I'm not affiliated with the developer in any way. Best regards, Ralf |
Matt_G wrote on Tue, 27 March 2007 19:37 |
I got my copy for $45, if you have a competing product such as Barbabatch or Peak they will give it to you for $45. In my opinion SampleManager is heaps better then Barbabatch in terms of SRC quality & the flexibility of the processing. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Tue, 27 March 2007 23:35 |
It is painfully slow but I start it and have it cook overnight so it's ready in the morning. |
minister wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 13:21 | ||
Seriously? Heaps better? BB is pretty good. did you do a side by side comparison on the same file? can you post or e-mail identical short clips? |
Jerry Tubb wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 01:20 | ||
Hey Barry, I agree Peak 5 (level 5) SRC sounds really good, but the fact that is sooo sloooow totally disqualifies it for me. I usually don't have the luxury of leaving it to crunch overnight, usually the producer wants to take a ref disc that same day. Its amazing to me that Peaks' SRC takes that long on a dual processor G5... what, 20 minutes per song? There's some serious number crunchin' power happening with a G5, leads me to wonder what's up with Peak, does anything else including Weiss take that long? Anyway I'm still a fan of BarbaBatch, don't hear any grainy-ness happening there, although a slight but acceptable color change is evident. Found Matt Gs' comments interesting regarding Sample Manager 3. JT |
Andy Krehm wrote on Wed, 28 March 2007 10:58 |
I'm testing Weiss Saracon and I just timed a 96k to 44.1 k conversion of a SD2 split file at 61.2 MB each side and it took 5.5 minutes. |
Daniel Weiss wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 14:48 |
... Not quite done yet with the mac version. But it is progressing well. Daniel |
cerberus wrote on Thu, 29 March 2007 03:19 |
i'm considering peak just for src; good things come to those who wait. jeff dinces |
cerberus wrote on Thu, 29 March 2007 20:34 |
checked out wave editor: made hash out of 32 float files. didn't know they had a simpler app with the izotope src (which i still haven't heard.) jeff dinces |
Yannick Willox wrote on Sat, 31 March 2007 18:15 |
Nobody checked the graphs: > check out this website http://src.infinitewave.ca/.... and especially the r8brain PRO minimal phase against ALL of the others ? ??? |
Matt_G wrote on Sat, 31 March 2007 13:15 |
They will also put the advanced feautures in Sample Manager 3.2 when it's released. |
Ralf Kleemann wrote on Sun, 01 April 2007 20:27 | ||
That's very nice to know, looking forward to the update. What I also like about the company is that they are open about forthcoming releases and features. At Apple, you would already have been sacked for posting a screenshot to a forum... Now that you posted the screenshot, could you elaborate which of the sliders is doing what, and to what benefit? Best regards, Ralf |
Bob Boyd wrote on Mon, 02 April 2007 11:26 |
The current SRC in sB is not iZotope's nor is it evidently the classic SRC that so many people refer to liking from the older system. While it has gotten some positive feedback, I find the current "built-in" SRC as utilitarian in nature. As mentioned before, Sonic has licensed iZotope's for implementation at some point. I'm watching iZotope and trying the Sample Manager demo but at this point in time, I'm using Weiss Saracon. Great SRC. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Sun, 01 April 2007 20:57 |
I have just done a sweep from 20 Hz. to 40kHz, at 96K and 24 bit. I then converted from 96k to 44.1 kHz at 24 bit. I used three methods: 1. Soundblade; Peak and Barbabatch. Of the three, Peak comes closest to the ideal of being "out" by 22050 Hz. It has a fairly smooth fade just before that frequency. Second is Barbabatch which extends a little more past 22050 with a lesser (not as steep) fade out. The worst plainly, simply, dramatically is the conversion by Soundblade. I don't believe this to be one by Izotope. I couldn't find that in my list of plug-ins if it did indeed come with the program. So the one written by Sonic is nothing less than terrible, extending well past 22050 and is sure to cause aliasing. Barry |
Barry Hufker wrote on Mon, 02 April 2007 19:54 |
Everything, no matter its size, weight, mass, speed, etc. comes in "shitloads". The only exception is "shit," which comes in "buttloads". |
Yannick Willox wrote on Sat, 31 March 2007 10:15 |
Nobody checked the graphs: > check out this website http://src.infinitewave.ca/.... and especially the r8brain PRO minimal phase against ALL of the others ? ??? |
Matt_G wrote on Mon, 02 April 2007 09:45 | ||
It's funny Bob, I used to like soundBlade's current SRC (which isn't the iZotope at the moment). I still think that despite the aliasing it can sound great on certain material, can't explain the affect I hear but it kind of has a smooth soft sound which is great on some stuff. The iZotope SRC on it's high setting in WaveEditor can be a touch on the bright side but is likely the steepness of the default filter setting. See the attached image of the 'high quality' default setting in the current WE 1.2 version. With these being adjustable in 1.3, I bet we will get an amazing sounding SRC suitable for any style of music. With iZotope products it's all about high quality but giving the consumer all the options to create just what you need. MBIT+ is another example of having many options. Matt |
Ralf Kleemann wrote on Sun, 01 April 2007 05:27 |
What I also like about the company is that they are open about forthcoming releases and features. At Apple, you would already have been sacked for posting a screenshot to a forum... |
Matthew Foust wrote on Wed, 04 April 2007 07:23 |
He'll be hearing from our lawyers. (Just kidding) |
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I hope I am not out of place responding on this forum. If so, my apologies. Wave Editor 1.3 will bring a couple of other improvements with regard to iZotope's 64-bit SRC: 1) it will be multichannel (>2) 2) it will have 64-bit input |
Bob Boyd wrote on Thu, 29 March 2007 01:30 | ||
I had this happen when I first tried Saracon too. You need to increase the buffers in the Preferences panel. The manual mentions this but may not stress it's importance. The optimal settings will vary from computer to computer but try opening the first buffer all the way and the second one about 3/4. (I'm away from my studio computer so I don't remember what the faders are labeled.) On my Dual 2.7 G5, a STEREO file going from 88.2k to 44.1/24 with pow-r will (at it slowest!) be over 2x realtime. Expect much faster results on the whole. |
Bob Boyd wrote on Tue, 10 April 2007 21:39 |
Nope. Just optimizes the processing. Better, huh? |