j.hall wrote on Mon, 15 August 2005 19:42 |
i think she's a great writer, and jon brion is always at his finest when working with her, and i'm a big fan of his. |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 15 August 2005 19:42 |
i think she's a great writer, and jon brion is always at his finest when working with her, and i'm a big fan of his. |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 13:25 |
if you read her myspace page it sites two other guys are producing the record other then jon brion. i wonder if she finally caved and recut the thing with some one else. i read a few years ago that jon brion produced the record, but now he's not being credited for the work. i have a few "leaked" tracks from the jon brion sessions, maybe i'll post them. |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 16:52 |
what is anyone going to do to me anyway....ask me to pull the tracks down??? |
Guasp wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 09:30 |
Ms Apple has since scrapped that version and started again from scratch with producer Mike Elizondo. only 2 songs survived from the jon brion sessions. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 06:44 |
If you think Nirvana wasn't concerned with selling records when they made Nevermind, even though nobody else was doing what they were doing, then you are naive. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 08:44 |
Bottom line with radio: Clear Channel (who I hate) is not going to play this. That's who gets your records sold, not some station in Austin. |
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It doesn't matter IF you aren't spending hundreds of thousands of dollars making a record. But if you are going to spend that much money making a record, and then the label is going to spend a million dollars marketing and promoting the thing (all of which is recoupable), you have to take these things into account, IMO. If, as a producer, you are making art for art's sake, then don't waste the artist's money. Jon isn't the one paying for Abbey Road string sessions. Fiona is. A good producer would be interested in the concept of making sure that the artist gets back the money that the producer decided to spend for them. Otherwise, as I said, it's selfish and self indulgent. |
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This is a business. When you make major label records, that is the bottom line. They are giving you money that they want to make back, plus some more. |
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If you think Nirvana wasn't concerned with selling records when they made Nevermind, even though nobody else was doing what they were doing, then you are naive. |
John Sorensen wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 15:19 |
........ Maybe she should get surgically altered, sign on to do a reality show, tongue-kiss Madonna at an awards show, marry and divorce someone in a weekend, or become a Scientologist. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 09:44 |
Bottom line with radio: Clear Channel (who I hate) is not going to play this. That's who gets your records sold, not some station in Austin. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 17:46 |
Like I said, artistic integrity is all well and great when it's your own money and your own career. Also, to me, this doesn't sound fresh and exciting. It's different from what's on the radio, for sure. But it's the same calliope and carnival thing that Jon seems stuck in. It's just my personal taste taht I like the Slater production more. |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 08:53 |
like usual J.J. i always like disagreeing with you cause it stays professional and respectful. |
lord wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 11:13 | ||
Except for that part where you called us vampires! |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 16 August 2005 22:37 |
arguing the merits of making records for the mass market's consumption in this particular forum, to this forum's readership, is like telling a group of vampires that the sun is cool and something they ought to "take in" |
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 11:36 |
Jimmy, 20,000 units is certified linoleum. Great for an indie, but a disaster for a major |
Fibes wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 10:43 |
I like the new song and the old ones. I want a full copy of the old album and i'll buy two new ones to make up for the theft. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 16:36 |
I called you vampires? Huh? |
Fibes wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 11:51 |
Y'all are talking semantics and although i see both sides the holes that are getting poked at are patched on the personality/inflection level. Indy does not mean anti-hero and commercially viable does not mean artless. Is the Oh Sailor track on myspace a remixed version with merely less strings and overcompressed drums? I ask this from a vague and horribly codeced to death perspective. Check out my "label" thread on the WW forum. It was delivered in a dream from the syndicate. |
John Sorensen wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 11:45 | ||
Not only that, but you use omnis as overheads, apparently. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 18:24 |
BTW, I'm making a record with a guy right now who has the demos for Extraoridary Machine that Jon and Fiona did, all recorded on the Pet Sounds console. I'll make a point of copying .... errrr, I mean listening to them at some point. (I'll start the bidding at $20.) <jk> |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 15:19 |
who invited fibes to this party anyway? |
Fibes wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 14:36 |
Your narcissistic ass faced twin. |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 21:05 |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
canada wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 18:04 |
The bootleg tracks that I heard a year or so ago were devoid of catchy melodies and sounded very "look at me, I'm playing a Brian Wilson chord!" for no apparent reason other than to sound brainy. Looking forward to hearing the finished album, though, as I am a fan. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 16:46 |
It's just my personal taste taht I like the Slater production more. |
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I heard a good "Slater" story lately. Seems he was producing an artist in the studio latelly and working on what they hoped would be the single. During a break he suggested they shoot the video in Tuscany. To which the artist replied, "Don't I pay for that?" Talk about wasting artists money. The artist is no longer with Capitol Records. |
bigaudioblowhard wrote on Sun, 21 August 2005 19:14 |
the only ones doing if for arts sake had day jobs or trust funds. Perhaps Canadians can luxuriate in their art with their social welfare and universal healthcare, but below the 49th baby, art is truly a luxury. And dont get all "what would you know about Canada" on me, I was born and raised there |
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"They thought it was too white," West said, sitting in a room at Chalice Recording Studios Hollywood last weekend. (He uses "white" referring to pop music and "black" for R&B and hip-hop.) "Others thought the sample was too corny, and I had to listen to them. Mainly, I realized I may be going too fast in trying to open new dimensions in hip-hop. I needed to take one step at a time if I wanted to bring my audience with me." West returned to the studio and threw out four tracks from the CD he had been working on in L.A. for months with pop producer Jon Brion, who produced Apple's second album. They replaced them with tracks that West describes as more "black." (He's saving the "discards" for his next album, which he's already titled "Graduation Day.") |
bigaudioblowhard wrote on Sun, 21 August 2005 11:14 |
Perhaps Canadians can luxuriate in their art with their social welfare and universal health-care, but below the 49th baby, art is truly a luxury. . |
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I can't say a bad thing about Andy Slater. |
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Jon Brion produced "When the Pawn". |
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Please, do tell your Slater story. I'm curious. |
mitgong wrote on Fri, 14 October 2005 14:12 |
And it's not just the calliope music! She actually sounds more interested and challenged as a singer on the JB version. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Sun, 23 October 2005 15:38 |
There's a real David v. Goliath story regarding the whole producer situation, but I'd rather that somebody else tell the story. |
mitgong wrote on Fri, 14 October 2005 15:12 |
SO. It's the difference between liking Fiona Apple or not. I heard the Elizondo first, and thought: "she's actually pretty boring, isn't she?". Then I heard the Jon Brion, and thought: "She's a fucking genius!". |
TheCurmudgeon wrote on Sun, 25 December 2005 16:06 |
I know of so many people who have been listening to the original for a long time now, who are baffled as to why it wasn't released. |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 27 December 2005 02:45 |
do any of these people have a 16 bit 44.1 version of the album, sequenced and mastered as it was supposed to be release? all i have is terrible mp3s |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 26 December 2005 20:45 | ||
do any of these people have a 16 bit 44.1 version of the album, sequenced and mastered as it was supposed to be release? all i have is terrible mp3s |
maxim wrote on Sun, 22 January 2006 09:26 |
jonh s wrote: "Yea, he is absolutely the 'second coming' - true genius in an era where that term has been sadly diluted. I've been meaning to order his solo disc "Meaningless"" absolutely brilliant, file it under "must have" |
maxim wrote on Mon, 30 January 2006 06:53 |
it's only worth about $0.02 |