berrevd wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 09:01 |
I decided to ditch the idea of the separate recording booth and create one big room. |
Ethan Winer wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 17:50 |
I don't understand why you don't just use all the space. Then you can setup the mix position symmetrically, which is very important. Put the speakers near a short wall firing the longer way down the room. Then put the piano behind the mix position. |
berrevd wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 08:01 |
I really wanted to go for an FTB design initially. The diffusers are not in the drawing yet either. |
Thomas Jouanjean wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 11:57 |
If you want a FTB type design, then you should be speaking with my team, since we basically engineered it all... And it's far from easy to implement (especially since we're the only ones with the full data about the design process). |
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Since you are in Belgium, you can listen to a few of those rooms since we have now a good amount of them there. |
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Contact Silvia Santaf Post by: Bert Van Daele on December 24, 2009, 07:40:58 AM Here is a picture showing the off-center position of the window and the center speaker positioned in front of the window. Post by: Bert Van Daele on December 24, 2009, 07:43:45 AM So, I will be thinking it through a lot the coming days, I guess... Regards, Bert Post by: Thomas Jouanjean on December 24, 2009, 08:05:05 AM
I think that in your case, you should design yourself a proper CR (shaped and properly implemented) in this room, but maybe try to get the RT a bit higer than usual, or better have Gobos stored somewhere else in the building that you can use to get the RT time a bit higher when recording your piano. That would allow you to: - Have a good CR to work in (fully symmetrical, with a good response) - Still be able to record a piano with a good quality (a good CR should not influence the sound too much and getting a little more RT in "recording mode" will bring more life to the recording) Of course the piano will be 'in the way' but you can survive this Right now, what I see in your plans is that the lack of symmetry in the back WILL be a problem (uneven bass trapping and energy management in the room). You should also consider more space for treatment everywhere. It will take more than you think. What you can do now is just build the outer shell (soundproofing) to follow the existing room shape. Then work on your inner shell shape etc. Post by: Bert Van Daele on December 24, 2009, 09:08:01 AM Many thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it. Yes, you're right, I should start with the beginning: the outer shell as you call it. I'll try to maximize the dimensions of this soundproofing shell to the maximum, but there are some practical hurdles that don't allow me to just follow the perimeter of the inside of the building. I'll post a picture of the back of the space as soon as possible to show the difficulties I have to make this 100% symmetrical in this area. Kind regards, Bert Post by: Bert Van Daele on December 29, 2009, 10:45:20 AM The result can be seen here: The thing is: I really, really need SOME space in the hallway since the doo is going to the outside, so it will be a place to get wet coats off and such... Plus, I will also have the electrical fuse box (or how is this correctly called in English) over there. And last but not least, I also need to be able to access the airco units filter for cleaning from there. So, taking these things in consideration, the plan above is what I truly believe to be using the maximum foorprint while still fullfiling the requirements described above. However, one major drawback is that I can only fit ONE door then, so no double wall isolation there. A second door would simply not open fully... So I was wondering whether this could still be a valid option??? Anyway, starting from there, I already tried to get an idea of how the acoustical treatment could look like. The intermediate result looks like this: The Good: it's a lot bigger, there is more room for bass-trapping (especially in the back), it has almost perfect symmetry (the back might never get perfect due to the piano and such...). The Bad: I still have a problem opening up the leftmost window. But maybe that doesn't need to be a problem at all. And th elack of perfect symmertry in the back, of course. Here's is a picture showing the speakers and piano as well: Anyway. I would be very glad with any input from you guys now. Am I on the right track or still far from it? What still terribly wrong, etc... Maybe let's concentrate on the Soundproofing first, since that's the one being built now... Many thanks. Regards, Bert Post by: bruno putzeys on December 29, 2009, 12:15:23 PM Post by: Bert Van Daele on December 29, 2009, 01:13:01 PM Post by: bruno putzeys on December 29, 2009, 01:37:55 PM The reason I was asking is because it could give you some more room. Thomas, what do you think of such a thing? Room acoustics isn't my gig (as anyone who's been to my place will attest ) Post by: Bert Van Daele on December 29, 2009, 02:20:18 PM Oh, and I was lucky enough to do more than just a visit there: I did a 6 month internship (end 2005/begin 2006). A superb time where I really learned a lot. A pity the time was not right to get a better position over there. BUT.. to come to my room design: I have tried what this would bring but had two problems in finding a good design: 1. the wish for the central window eliminated the space for the center speaker 2. due to the angles and speaker distances in a soffit wall design, the room became actually quite small (read: not very wide). And on the other hand, I have this new idea that NOT doing the soffit-thing gives me more freedom for changing speakers when needed, etc... However, if Thomas or anybody else has good ideas to do it otherwise, I am still very open to suggestions... Many thanks indeed. Regards, Bert Post by: Thomas Jouanjean on December 29, 2009, 05:51:31 PM The shape you give to the room makes sense only as a 'visual finish'. Maybe you can give us more info about what is behind those walls/fabric? The common mistake I see in a lot of DIY studios is that they indeed look like shaped rooms but once you dig it's all wrong behind. So they don't work. You can virtually give any looks to a room, what matters is what's 'behind the scene'. A lot of people would be surprised! Give me a call tomorrow morning, we can chat a bit about your project. I'm too lazy to type a long post Bruno - I have to call you too soon Post by: Bert Van Daele on December 30, 2009, 02:40:50 AM Thanks for the offer. I will call you for sure... But just to already give a quick answer: the drawing indeed doesn't show the 'behind-the-scene' treatment, yet. I first wanted to make sure that I had the dimensions and shape of my room right, especially the soundproofing, with the speaker setup and piano in mind. Some more 'finetuning' will definitely be necessary... You may expect my call somewhere this morning to discuss this further. Cheers, Bert Post by: Datcha on January 03, 2010, 05:37:38 PM I have a one room setup myself for some time now. It's a CR-type room with a small grand in it, so it is very similar to what you have in mind. I can testify that you can get excellent results in it. I've recorded many vocals, acoustic guitars & the piano without any problems. Although background noise from an AC-unit, computers or HD's, can be a bit of a challenge when recording multiple layers of acoustic sources, you can deal with that using an iso-box for example. In fact the room has been working so well for me, that I didn't renovate a adjacent room yet. I should state that I do use other studio's regularly for recording more complex sessions. Good luck with the project! Frank Duch Post by: Bert Van Daele on January 04, 2010, 09:36:58 AM Thanks for the support. Yes, I now am also convinced that going to one bigger room will be a far better solution than two really small rooms. The only thing I am still a bit struggling with is the find the best 'marriage' between building the best CR I can fit in the building, while still foreseeing all the space needed for my piano and equipment. Also, integrating the windows in the design is a pain, but I believe I am getting there. During the holidays I have been thinking a lot about changing the room to a completely new design and turning everything 90 degrees.. I will post a picture of what I have in mind later on... Still trying out some stuff... Thanks for the heads up! Grtz, Bert |