Bubba Kron wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 23:05 |
This rodeo sure as hell aint over yet. There some good stuff comin, but it aint gonna be from corporate bean counter ville. The revolution will not be televised!!!! Your gonna see a whole new range of producer/artists that are gonna make rec execs shake in their boots!! They are gonna seriously not gonna give a shit about any of the hype out there. After going through the literal hell of REALLY learning how to make records. People are gonna have no problem living off their live gigs and give music away for free. Its sad for the studio/engineering biz, but we are back to the days of the people who would be making music even if there was no glitz and glamour in the headlights. I say let them get everyone tired of shit music, because I'm working on the next Nirvana album!!! Still, it would not hurt if the giants from the past touched up on LFO's and midi programming techniques!!! I go to Burning Man and hear some seriously amazing electronic stuff that even you guys would like, but its all under ground. And the under ground is the new medium- until we learn how to exploit that underground vibe to make money in the masses!!!! Cheers |
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He says the focus on kids is total, there is no other serious market as far as the label was concerned. |
Fletcher wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 23:33 |
then again, they didn't sound like anything I'd ever heard that was "commercial"... but had enough really good music going on that they could have become the act which other visionless morons would be trying to compare / copy in a year or so after they changed the game... but it seems like it may never see [or be heard in] the light of day. |
Nick Sevilla wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 11:30 |
We started a tiny record label : http://unbridledrecords.com/Unbridled_Records/Submissions_Pa ge.html |
jrmintz wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 12:53 |
Bill, what do you think about the idea of reaching out to older listeners who will pay for music? It always gets groans when I say it, but I really believe they're out there. They're just very difficult to put your music in front of so they know it's available. Everyone seems to get curiously passive at the point of trying to reach boomers or gen-x-ers. Obviously there's no corporate reward in it, but is it impossible or just harder than most people want to work? |
Edward Vinatea wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 08:46 | ||
You may want to fix your bullet points. I am getting these symbols: ➡ Edward |
Bubba Kron wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 17:21 |
This shit is so depressing!! The irony is the that the internet should have brought the world together, but it really just puts everyone in groups and weakens the machine that held us all together!!!! The focus group thing is just a shame, because thats exactly how the fast food restaurants pick their new menus!!!!! This is seriously like the Matrix movie, literally!! |
jrmintz wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 15:53 |
Bill, what do you think about the idea of reaching out to older listeners who will pay for music? It always gets groans when I say it, but I really believe they're out there. They're just very difficult to put your music in front of so they know it's available. Everyone seems to get curiously passive at the point of trying to reach boomers or gen-x-ers. Obviously there's no corporate reward in it, but is it impossible or just harder than most people want to work? |
Jim Williams wrote on Wed, 05 January 2011 11:34 |
It is typically a 2 year program, either you graduate to something better or you drop out. There are no long term employment opportunities in that field. Those currently employed will find that out as those before them have. |
Fletcher wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 06:29 | ||
I also wonder if Frank Zappa could get signed today. For that matter, I wonder if The Rolling Stones could get signed today... though I'm sure there is another "Right Said Fred" around the corner much like Lady Gaga is the new Madonna... its a weird world - I'm just glad I have friends who turn me onto stuff like Dark Buster and Swamp Cabbage. Peace. |
Wireline wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 10:06 |
I really doubt people like George Jones, George Strait, Alan Jackson...could land a label gig... |
Jim Williams wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 12:05 |
Still, he has his studio and records constantly. Dave says he still gets together and records with friends for FUN only. He said he only does it for himself, not the fans or public. The tracks are to never be released except to those close friends and the participants. |
Edward Vinatea wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 17:36 | ||
Very interesting story, Jim. Who knows what the future brings and what the shape of the music industry will be. However, Dave's pursuit of 'creative freedom' with all his friends today may have built a foundation for a big copyright dispute among all future assignees tomorrow. FWIW and YMMV, Edward EDIT: Obviously, if nothing is copyrighted then it's up for grabs. |
Bubba Kron wrote on Thu, 06 January 2011 22:49 | ||||
Hey edward- Are you the guy in this video starting at 1:26?? Nice work!! I knew I knew you from somewhere!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-kzviMGhRk
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QUEEF BAG wrote on Fri, 07 January 2011 00:08 |
zappa had some thoughts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0 |
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...I always thought it was funny that A&R guys didn't pick the brains of the mastering engineers. I mean after all we hear such a wide variety of music from so many different genres and really hear the progress of some artist as we do multiple albums over the years. |
Bubba Kron wrote on Fri, 07 January 2011 19:40 |
I seriously dont think I have ever been more pissed off in my entire life, I know them personally and know these fuckers dont even know what a neve preamp is or does! |
el duderino wrote on Fri, 07 January 2011 21:50 | ||
i realize this is an engineering forum and we are all striving for sonic nirvana, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. only good songs do. do you like louie louie? cuz i do. |
Bubba Kron wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 00:48 |
This guy right here!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRftXCiqfQ8 what a world when this crap is going big!!!! |
Bubba Kron wrote on Fri, 07 January 2011 19:48 |
This guy right here!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRftXCiqfQ8 what a world when this crap is going big!!!! |
Silvertone wrote on Fri, 07 January 2011 08:19 |
In talking with the A&R guy who signed Sean it seems that the Anti label has a pretty good model for the independent artist. They pretty much give the artist the right to put out whatever they want... however, you as the artist pay for all production cost and if they like what you do, then it goes out. |
Bubba Kron wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 02:27 | ||||
I respect and understand your opinion- but no. Like JJ blair says, "this shit is a science"!!!! cheers
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Bubba Kron wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 05:27 | ||||
I respect and understand your opinion- but no. Like JJ blair says, "this shit is a science"!!!! cheers
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el duderino wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 00:29 | ||||||
as much as i respect j.j. and that quote, i can honestly say i've NEVER bought an album solely because it sounds good. its the songs. we can all consider certain music "crap", but if you have the numbers behind you it doesn't matter. ever. if you don't judge sales as a measure of success we're all fucked. |
mgod wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 11:22 |
There goes John Lennon's solo career. |
Bubba Kron wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 14:30 |
So your saying a Mcdonalds Cheeseburger is wayyy better than a Rib Eye because of sales numbers? Which choice of those two are healthier? One requires huge signs with big Graphics and Marketing Brain washing tactics since our most vulnerable young ages, the latter has been holding it down for thousands of years with no hype necissary. I do realize that techno DJ's get big live payments because they are providing a service for a Massive dance party, but that does not mean those people would not choose that stuff if they REALLY had a choice!!! |
el duderino wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 23:06 | ||
no, im talking about sales numbers being used as a measure of success. that doesn't mean its better, it means it's successful because a large number of people like it. you think you'd find rib eye's in every grocery if total rib eye sales in the usa were 1,000 for the year? I don't. the people paying money for a ticket to a massive dance party couldn't have chosen to not go? that sounds like a choice to me. we're all free to like or dislike whatever music or food we want to, but that doesn't change measurements of success. |
Bubba Kron wrote on Mon, 10 January 2011 02:28 |
TO ALL THE PEOPLE SAYING THERE IS STILL GOOD MUSIC TODAY, SHOW ME JUST 1 ACT ARTISTICALLY ON PAR WITH FLOYD/ZEP/MARLEY/DOORS/STAN GUETZ ETC ETC............ |
jrmintz wrote on Mon, 10 January 2011 10:00 |
Good and successful have never meant the same thing. |
Bubba Kron wrote on Mon, 10 January 2011 02:28 |
4/5 of those people would still be at those raves even if they had never heard of the top act!! You also have to realize that these guys played "other" peoples music out of Pioneer cdj's for 10 years growing their popularity before doing their own stuff. |
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You do make a good point that if it sucks so bad, then why I dont I just out do him- I cant argue there and I'm gonna give my best shot( not that our styles are any way similar). |
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TO ALL THE PEOPLE SAYING THERE IS STILL GOOD MUSIC TODAY, SHOW ME JUST 1 ACT ARTISTICALLY ON PAR WITH FLOYD/ZEP/MARLEY/DOORS/STAN GUETZ ETC ETC............ I bet you cant name one post 1998!!! |
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why? cause people use music to sell other shit now. And if they had organic rib eyes in drive thrus for 2.99, people would never touch a 99 cent cheeseburger again. But theres the catch, in music it all cost the same price to the consumer and is readily available at all times! |
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That Justin Bieber shit will stick in your head for 2 weeks, god knows what/how they are doing that- but I would not be surprised if subliminal messaging was used in some way. A parent can not compete with that influence with just simple words!!!! |
Fletcher wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 22:33 |
. He's ready to either quit or blow his brains out [hope he does the former rather than the latter... but it is what it is]. . |
Bubba Kron wrote on Sun, 09 January 2011 23:28 |
TO ALL THE PEOPLE SAYING THERE IS STILL GOOD MUSIC TODAY, SHOW ME JUST 1 ACT ARTISTICALLY ON PAR WITH FLOYD/ZEP/MARLEY/DOORS/STAN GUETZ ETC ETC............ |
Halfway Competent wrote on Tue, 11 January 2011 09:47 | ||
Green Day. American Idiot and 21st Century Breakdown are both great albums. Zep? Are you kidding me? The singer sounds drunk and barely coherent in "No Quarter" (I like Maktub's cover of that song much better). Stairway to Heaven is pretty OK, but as far as anthemic rock goes, I like Queensryche's "Silent Lucidity" better. But you're only naming rock legends. What about other genres? Have a listen to Lizz Wright (jazz/soul). Amazing singer, very expressive. Great songwriting, too. |
wwittman wrote on Sat, 15 January 2011 18:10 |
Green Day broke about 1990 Could they do it today? I doubt it |