Post by: 02R96 on September 27, 2007, 02:11:43 PM
What is the difference between the black box Russian BIG MUFF PI and the regular silver BIG MUFF PI?
Dan
Okay, let the jokes roll, I know they're coming...
Post by: Podgorny on September 27, 2007, 02:17:06 PM
Post by: 02R96 on September 27, 2007, 04:00:46 PM
http://singlecoil.com/docs/russian_muff.pdf
Post by: WallyWest on September 27, 2007, 06:40:57 PM
I know that the bassist from Ben Folds prefers the green Russian along with most.
Post by: 02R96 on September 27, 2007, 08:59:04 PM
From what I've been reading, it sounds like the black box Russian is more of a dark over-driven sound, the green box is the most fuzzy, and the US version doesn't sound like any of the Russians.
Your best bet is to try them and see; that is, if you can find a store that has the US and Black Russian models. However, it seems there is a big difference in quality between the US and Russian models. Buyer beware!
Not an endorsement, but there is a seller on eBay that is marketing modified black Russian models that have the cheap components replaced with quality ones. A quick search will find them easily.
Aloha!
Post by: Fibes on September 28, 2007, 12:26:40 AM
| Podgorny wrote on Thu, 27 September 2007 14:17 |
Neither is as cool as the green russian one. |
I got a RED ARMY and a vintage Muff, they both rock.
The new ones, meh.
Post by: 02R96 on September 28, 2007, 09:24:33 AM
Post by: Electric Warrior on September 28, 2007, 10:53:31 AM
http://www.pisotones.com/BigMuffPi/psst/BMP_versions.htm
can't tell you anything about the tonal differences, though.
be aware that electro harmonix is currently making "little big muffs" in smaller boxex in addition to the regular (oversized box) ones. The little big muff circuit is said to be closer to the vintage (triangle) ones.
You might want to search the diystompboxes.com forums for more information on the different big muff circuits.
Post by: 02R96 on September 28, 2007, 11:02:46 AM
Which brand/box is the "fuzziest"? I'm wanting a real hairy sounding tone minus a lot of overdrive.
Post by: WallyWest on September 28, 2007, 11:44:50 AM
Post by: TheViking on September 29, 2007, 01:09:15 AM
Post by: TheViking on September 29, 2007, 01:11:50 AM
| 02R96 wrote on Fri, 28 September 2007 11:02 |
With all this talk about "fuzz" boxes... Which brand/box is the "fuzziest"? I'm wanting a real hairy sounding tone minus a lot of overdrive. |
I had a really great experience with an original Foxx Tone Machine pedal a few years ago. It might be what you're looking for. The problem is finding one.
Post by: 02R96 on September 29, 2007, 11:13:32 AM
http://www.pedalgeek.com
It's cool because they have audio samples of the different pedals so you can hear them before you buy them!
Post by: Fibes on September 30, 2007, 01:06:51 PM
| TheViking wrote on Sat, 29 September 2007 01:11 | ||
I had a really great experience with an original Foxx Tone Machine pedal a few years ago. It might be what you're looking for. The problem is finding one. |
The reissues are pretty good.
and this guy makes a great clone:
http://www.ronsound.com
Post by: 02R96 on September 30, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
http://www.ronsound.com/sounds/hpc.mp3
The pedal is called "hairpie" This is the type of fuzz I was looking for. It's the sound of the guitar on American Woman!
Post by: Podgorny on September 30, 2007, 11:23:22 PM
| 02R96 wrote on Sun, 30 September 2007 16:41 |
It's the sound of the guitar on American Woman! |
http://www.garnetamps.com/herzog.htm
Post by: Podgorny on September 30, 2007, 11:34:58 PM
http://www.line6.com/gearbox_plugin/tour.html?utm_source=Lin e6Index&utm_medium=Navigation&utm_campaign=P lugin+Hear+Mid
Post by: 02R96 on October 01, 2007, 12:51:52 PM
That would be The Guess Who!
Anyone else is just a cover band!!!
Cool article on the Herzog. Too bad it was never mass produced, but I guess that's what gives Randy Bachman his signature sound.
Post by: J.J. Blair on October 02, 2007, 03:12:34 PM
BTW, didn't the Black Crowes use a big muff? Oh yeah...
Post by: 02R96 on October 04, 2007, 10:41:44 PM
Now all I need is a good reverb…
Next thread!
Post by: RSettee on October 17, 2007, 06:51:17 PM
I've got a few--my favorite all purpose go to one is my Ibanez FZ-7 Fuzz, those silver tone-lok ones. I modified some stuff in it, and the overall equalization seems perfect--good mids, but not honky--highs that aren't "bee in a jar" type, and the "damage" switch that it has goes from 10 percent, to 100 percent. It simulates a broken speaker/ dying battery, and on the 10 percent, it adds that tearing sound, that ripping, in the attack of the signal, leaving the sustain alone, which is pretty rare. Even with my ZVex Fuzz Factory, that tearing, ripping, is in the whole signal, meaning that it chops off the sustain, no matter what. Other pedals might have more low end or top end bite, but overall, this one can't be beat with the modifications.
The Boss Power Driver was never marketed as a fuzz, but it's a very high gain pedal with lots of lows, and it's in between a distortion and a fuzz, but using the neck pickup with the tone rolled back gives a very good fuzz sound. My only complaint is that there's only a mid and a bass knob (labelled "fat" and "muscle"), and no tone knob, and that it picks up RF signals. Other than that, great pedal! And rare, and will undoubtedly be more valuable in the years to come, as people discover that it creates some cool fuzz/ fuzzstortion sounds.
ZVex Fuzz Factory--very cool! But also very expensive. It gets really high end type fuzz, and is capable of really noisy, theremin-like sounds, and you can create some really damaged, compressed fuzz sounds, to some straight up, less extreme fuzzes. It has ALOT of gain, and on higher gain settings, it picks up RF frequencies. Bonus--it's extremely small for pedalboards, and it uses extremely low power consumption, so batteries don't die nearly as fast. Major drawback---it's pretty expensive for a "specialized" fuzz, as this will probably never be my main one, but a very cool "flavour" to go to.
Behringer Vintage Overdrive (with 12AX7 tube). Pretty close to some Neil Young and Crazy Horse sounds, they call this an overdrive, but it's more a fuzz, I think, and at extreme gain levels, it really starts to sound wild and wooly and unpredictable. The blue led you could see from ten miles away, too. The only downside is the hum/ noise, it's very noisy. And you can swap in a 12AT7 for more volume/ fullness, too, and it's incredibly cheap for a pedal with a 12AX7 in it.
Post by: Tomas Danko on October 18, 2007, 06:00:04 PM
Post by: rob s on October 19, 2007, 01:26:51 AM
green russian vs old big muff.
when the green russians tone knob was dimed
it was about the equivalent of 1:30 2 O'clock on the old muff.
the original had the ability to get way brighter.
i like the old one better.
Post by: rob s on October 19, 2007, 01:33:24 AM
in fact BTO got its name from the garnet amp.
Big Time Operator was a 100w model with the stinger as used by randy bachman.
they date back to the mid 60's.
man, they are beasts.
Post by: Sarusan on October 22, 2007, 11:24:07 PM
Not a bad record but worst album cover ever.
Ever.
Steven
Post by: rob s on November 03, 2007, 01:28:39 AM
they had a record called vertical smiles with a dozen tight bikini
shots.
real classy
Post by: J.J. Blair on November 10, 2007, 02:20:48 AM
Post by: Mike P on November 10, 2007, 03:49:03 AM
| J.J. Blair wrote on Fri, 09 November 2007 23:20 |
You mean this? |
That is AWESOME.
Vertical Smiles. I don't think there's a chance in hell that title would be allowed today.
Rock on, Ricky Medlocke.
Post by: C.Cash on November 11, 2007, 09:52:57 AM
Post by: rob s on November 12, 2007, 12:33:32 AM
| J.J. Blair wrote on Sat, 10 November 2007 01:20 |
You mean this? |
ha ha thats it.
nice work!!!
Post by: j.hall on November 12, 2007, 01:44:56 PM
Post by: RSettee on November 24, 2007, 06:53:57 PM
| rob s wrote on Fri, 19 October 2007 00:33 |
garnet amps that have the stinger section are basically a guitar amp w ith a built in herzog. in fact BTO got its name from the garnet amp. Big Time Operator was a 100w model with the stinger as used by randy bachman. they date back to the mid 60's. man, they are beasts. |
Garnet amps are great! They were built really well (asides from the speakers which were usually not the best), and eventually in time (some are realizing this now), they're becoming some of the holy grail. A Herzog is certainly becoming a holy grail of sorts (a pre-preamp....a fuzzbox in the guise of a head. Heavy to carry for what's essentially a fuzzbox, but a damned good one). Even a Sessionman or something like that will sting you for some big $$$ these days, if you see one of those for a decent price, pick it up, 'cause you'll likely never see one again, if and when it's not going for insane prices.
Gar Gillies passed away in December of last year...very low key, it wasn't really mentioned that much, which was sad, but he really knew alot about tube amps and I think took a hit to the pocketbook when he still made mostly tube amps in the transistor amp heyday in the 80's. He did make a few models of transistor amps, but his models were mostly tube.
My bandmate has a very, very early Garnet head from the 60's....I don't even think it was an actual model, just an early head. Gar, himself, offered him a grand for it (which my friend declined), someone else offered him 2000 bucks for it, and he wouldn't take it. I'm pretty sure that it's in the thousands of dollars range and is probably within an unknown holy grail....I think Gar said that there were only a few made. Meaning that most people don't even know that it exists....holy grail, indeed.
Post by: MagnetoSound on November 25, 2007, 11:28:05 AM
| TheViking wrote on Sat, 29 September 2007 06:09 |
If you get a Big Muff, make sure it looks like this... |
This one, with the big round footswitch, is, I believe, by far the most rugged.
IIRC, the big footswitch button has a spring underneath which presses on a microswitch on the board. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
These microswitches cost only a few pence/cents to replace when they fail, which is no more (probably less) often than the Chinese made switches (or the Mexican ones, for that matter) used on many other pedals.
Post by: Michael Petkau on December 28, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
| Podgorny wrote on Sun, 30 September 2007 22:23 | ||
http://www.garnetamps.com/herzog.htm |
His (now-vacant) shop is 4 blocks away from me. His passing last year was sad news ... Gar had been the amp man in these parts for a long long time.
Post by: RSettee on January 02, 2008, 01:24:00 PM
| pootkao wrote on Fri, 28 December 2007 03:22 | ||||
His (now-vacant) shop is 4 blocks away from me. His passing last year was sad news ... Gar had been the amp man in these parts for a long long time. |
Hey, a fellow 'Pegger! I talked to Gar about a month or two before he passed on. He said that he was getting out of the business and moving to Eriksdale, MB. I thought something sounded strange about that, because he had been doing it for so long. I tentatively spoke to him about maybe him making me a Guillotine--he only did them on special order--but obviously that wouldn't be possible now. RIP Gar.