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Title: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: zmix on November 11, 2010, 10:24:47 PM
Ugh...


http://instantsongmastering.com/

Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: jdg on November 11, 2010, 10:29:09 PM
great, you just saved me alot of time!

now i can get back to my crochet
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: domc on November 11, 2010, 10:33:07 PM
Im about to start a 10000 piece puzzle now...always wanted to do it..
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Jerry Tubb on November 11, 2010, 11:05:51 PM
I didn't click on the website, don't wanna give them the benefit of a "hit" ; - )

JT
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Patrik T on November 12, 2010, 02:00:36 AM
"If you are uploading a WAV file, please ensure that it is 16-bit. Currently, 24-bit WAV files are not supported."

Well, at least this service is not one of those originated upon information from the book on mastering.


Best Regards
Patrik
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gregg Janman on November 12, 2010, 03:49:27 AM
It might be worth $10 just to see how bad of a job he actually does?

Laughing
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on November 12, 2010, 06:23:26 AM
I like this statement

The quality is not only as good, it's better! We master your tracks just like the pros, and we have automated the whole system. The only differences are that you pay less and the results are instant!


Shocked
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: zmix on November 12, 2010, 07:35:07 AM
I loves me some platitudes...

"Instant Song Mastering leverages new technology that allows anyone to produce high quality masters from their audio recordings in just minutes over the Internet. "

"Instant Song Mastering uses state-of-the-art technology and industry best practices ..."

"We have developed the technology to master your song instantly. This allows us to avoid the high cost and time of mastering a song the traditional way."

"Traditionally, creating a good sounding master requires audio engineering expertise, expensive hardware and software; not to mention expensive time at a professional recording studio."


Ugh.....
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gold on November 12, 2010, 08:35:53 AM
At least he's not claiming he's a pro, has professional expertise, expensive hardware or a studio.

Boy do I miss the Automat. Gastronomy at it's finest. They even had a kitchen.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: compasspnt on November 12, 2010, 09:19:07 AM
Paul, if I catch you using this for my vinyl masters this week, all best are off.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Greg Reierson on November 12, 2010, 10:02:20 AM
Maybe it's one of those artificial intelligence X prize contests. IOW, nobody home. Or this is what Max Headroom is doing now...
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gold on November 12, 2010, 11:54:22 AM
compasspnt wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 09:19

Paul, if I catch you using this for my vinyl masters this week, all best are off.




I cut them last night. I thought you would like it. This new technology makes it totally unnecessary to listen to to it!
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Fig on November 12, 2010, 01:13:28 PM
compasspnt wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 08:19

 all best are off.



I'm cracking up at how appropriate this misspelling actually is!  Cheers, Terry.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: 24-96 Mastering on November 12, 2010, 01:29:12 PM
zmix wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 04:24

Ugh...


http://instantsongmastering.com/




What a brilliant scam that site is, I nearly cracked up.


You can take a test drive on their site and they then present you with a screen where you can compare 30 seconds of your mix vs. their master, i.e. before vs. after.


So here's what I found they do:


- they introduce no EQ, no dynamics, no nothing. (though there's 1-2% harmonic distortion added in the process Wink
- they attenuate the BEFORE comparison sample by 2 dB


Utter brilliance!

Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: ISMPaul on November 12, 2010, 05:29:01 PM
I'm Paul, one of the creators of http://www.InstantSongMastering.com. I want to thank Chuck for posting a link to our site on this forum, and I want to thank everyone for your valuable comments and feedback. We understand that our instant mastering service works better for some tracks than others; and we have had many satisfied customers. We just launched the service a few months ago, and we are constantly working to make it better.

We welcome any suggestions you might have for improving the service. I have set up a special email address for this purpose:
suggestions@instantsongmastering.com
Please email us directly with your feedback.

Thank You!
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: 24-96 Mastering on November 12, 2010, 06:12:42 PM
ISMPaul wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 23:29

I'm Paul, one of the creators of http://www.InstantSongMastering.com. I want to thank Chuck for posting a link to our site on this forum, and I want to thank everyone for your valuable comments and feedback. We understand that our instant mastering service works better for some tracks than others; and we have had many satisfied customers. We just launched the service a few months ago, and we are constantly working to make it better.

We welcome any suggestions you might have for improving the service. I have set up a special email address for this purpose:
suggestions@instantsongmastering.com
Please email us directly with your feedback.

Thank You!


Hi Paul, did you read my last post?


I'll be frank. It looks to me like your web service, at this point in time, is either broken and/or a scam.

When I tested it, it didn't actually do any deterministic processing whatsoever, it only introduced some harmonic distortion, both on the "master" and on the file that was misleadingly labelled "before", suggesting that this is down to bad DSP rather than intention.

Then, there's the issue of the "before" sample presented for comparison being attenuated by 2 dB, meaning the (otherwise unaltered) "master" will sound exactly 2dB more impressive - in your player only.


Do you understand the implications from those two observations? Is there an explanation for this?


Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gio on November 12, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
Best part:

* Compare waveforms of the of the original and mastered versions.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Waltz Mastering on November 12, 2010, 10:05:07 PM
ISMPaul wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 17:29


We welcome any suggestions you might have for improving the service.
It would be cool if you could add extras ala cart.

Reverb added: $2.99, De-essing $1.19, Har balled to sound like the DefTones: $4.99, A rotary dial to pick the year or decade you want your dynamics: 50 cents... just thinking out loud...
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: jdg on November 12, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
dont give _it_ any ideas!

Friday, November Eleventh, 2010, 9pm PST... instant song mastering becomes self aware...
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: bblackwood on November 12, 2010, 11:18:30 PM
jdg wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 22:07

dont give _it_ any ideas!

Friday, November Eleventh, 2010, 9pm PST... instant song mastering becomes self aware...

www.skynetmastering.com?
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: masterhse on November 13, 2010, 12:13:30 AM
How can it master a track without looking at a spectrum analyzer? Rolling Eyes
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: compasspnt on November 13, 2010, 02:09:57 AM
Fig wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 13:13

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 08:19

 all best are off.



I'm cracking up at how appropriate this misspelling actually is!  Cheers, Terry.



I knew someone would get this.

Cheers back!
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Patrik T on November 13, 2010, 06:39:45 AM
ISMPaul wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 23:29

I'm Paul, one of the creators of http://www.InstantSongMastering.com.


Are you sure you're Paul and not Foul?


Sincerely
Patrik
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: mastertone on November 13, 2010, 06:45:38 AM
Good luck with your service.

All i can say is, people who are willing to put their music through that javascript, i have no desire to work with.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Herbeck on November 13, 2010, 07:45:32 AM
ISMPaul wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 16:29



We welcome any suggestions you might have for improving the service.



Join the next WUMP.




All the best

Herbeck
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Lynn Fuston on November 13, 2010, 10:11:05 PM
Andreas Lassak, a member and co-admin at my forum, did a before and after test of the services results, complete with level and spectrum analysis. Very interesting. His results are posted here:

http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/showthread.php?20941-Automatic -mastering-No-waiting.&p=226072#post226072
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: dcollins on November 14, 2010, 03:53:22 AM
Lynn Fuston wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 19:11

Andreas Lassak, a member and co-admin at my forum, did a before and after test of the services results, complete with level and spectrum analysis. Very interesting. His results are posted here:

 http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/showthread.php?20941-Automatic -mastering-No-waiting.&p=226072#post226072


No Christmas wishes will be granted, either.


DC
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: jackthebear on November 14, 2010, 06:03:19 AM
compasspnt wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 18:09

Fig wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 13:13

compasspnt wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 08:19

 all best are off.



I'm cracking up at how appropriate this misspelling actually is!  Cheers, Terry.



I knew someone would get this.

Cheers back!



OK so the guy's dsylecix.......
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: masterhse on November 14, 2010, 06:49:44 AM
Lynn Fuston wrote on Sat, 13 November 2010 22:11

Andreas Lassak, a member and co-admin at my forum, did a before and after test of the services results, complete with level and spectrum analysis. Very interesting. His results are posted here:

 http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/showthread.php?20941-Automatic -mastering-No-waiting.&p=226072#post226072


Thanks for posting Lynn.

Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: 24-96 Mastering on November 14, 2010, 08:28:11 AM
Lynn Fuston wrote on Sun, 14 November 2010 04:11

Andreas Lassak, a member and co-admin at my forum, did a before and after test of the services results, complete with level and spectrum analysis. Very interesting. His results are posted here:

    http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/showthread.php?20941-Automatic -mastering-No-waiting.&p=226072#post226072


Same thing I found when I tried the "service".

The really interesting thing is though, that while the "after" sample doesn't change (besides added distortion), the "before" sample presented on their page for direct comparison is attenuated by 2 dB...

That's the brilliance of the scam.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: masterhse on November 14, 2010, 01:06:34 PM
Other than a matter if interest in this particular case, the methodology is almost irrelevant. An automated approach to mastering in any form shows complete ignorance of what the process is truly about.

I hope that the site becomes popular, it may do more to actually help our industry.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: ISMPaul on November 15, 2010, 02:44:36 PM
24-96 Mastering wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 17:12


Hi Paul, did you read my last post?


I'll be frank. It looks to me like your web service, at this point in time, is either broken and/or a scam.

When I tested it, it didn't actually do any deterministic processing whatsoever, it only introduced some harmonic distortion, both on the "master" and on the file that was misleadingly labelled "before", suggesting that this is down to bad DSP rather than intention.

Then, there's the issue of the "before" sample presented for comparison being attenuated by 2 dB, meaning the (otherwise unaltered) "master" will sound exactly 2dB more impressive - in your player only.


Do you understand the implications from those two observations? Is there an explanation for this?





Robin,

Thank you for taking such an interest in our service and for sharing your results and feedback. As I mentioned before, we are constantly looking to improve the service. To that end, I have met with our development team and investigated the 2dB issue that you described. We found a bug in the song upload process, and it seems to be resolved now. I invite you to try uploading your song again and report the results.
In addition, please stay tuned for the next version of the website which will include more user control over the mastering process.

Thanks,
Paul
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: jonathan jetter on November 15, 2010, 09:36:21 PM
this thread is now 2nd on the list of google results when you search for "instant song mastering," and the 3daudio thread is 6th.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: compasspnt on November 15, 2010, 10:21:31 PM
Well thank goodness that -2 dB bug got fixed!
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: turtletone on November 15, 2010, 10:55:51 PM
it's been operating for a year. They just found the bug?
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: jetbase on November 15, 2010, 10:56:14 PM
I think it's a good thing. Imagine the type of clients this kind of mastering service would attract. Now imagine the kind of painful phone conversations you would be having with them if this "service" wasn't out there to chum the waters. Maybe even a top mastering house commissioned it.  Very Happy
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: bblackwood on November 15, 2010, 10:59:35 PM
TurtleTone wrote on Mon, 15 November 2010 21:55

it's been operating for a year. They just found the bug?

No, they didn't. The professional mastering engineers on REP and 3dB did...
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: compasspnt on November 15, 2010, 11:20:18 PM
And it wasn't a "bug"...
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Waltz Mastering on November 16, 2010, 01:04:01 AM
Andreas from 3dB found this:
 https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dQDuS3  MdkjAJ:www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml+http://  www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml&cd=1&h l=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

Funny stuff.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: masterhse on November 16, 2010, 08:07:58 AM
Waltz Mastering wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 01:04

Andreas from 3dB found this:
   https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dQDuS3    MdkjAJ:www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml+http://    www.scriptlance.com/projects/1270934800.shtml&cd=1&h l=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

Funny stuff.


Also see:

 http://efreedom.com/Question/1-2633157/Reading-WAV-File-VSTN et-Process-Plugin

http://stackoverflow.com/users/182080/paul
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Patrik T on November 16, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
masterhse wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 14:07

http://stackoverflow.com/users/182080/paul



Interesting, because it leads us to:

http://www.paulericloeb.com/

where the following can be read:


Quote:

I am currently in school at Video Symphony studying Pro Tools Audio Engineering
I work as a Web Developer for USC Auxiliary Services http://aux.usc.edu/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Fresh Intermedia http://www.freshintermedia.com/
I am the President and Chief Executive Officer of No Ego Records http://www.noegorecords.com/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Megapony http://www.megapony.com/
I am a Music Producer and DJ http://www.loebmusic.com/
I graduated in May 2009 from the University of Southern California
Major: Business Administration
Concentration: Entrepreneurship
Minor: Music Industry



Truly puzzling stuff.


Regards
Patrik
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: 24-96 Mastering on November 16, 2010, 09:28:44 AM
ISMPaul wrote on Mon, 15 November 2010 20:44

24-96 Mastering wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 17:12


Hi Paul, did you read my last post?


I'll be frank. It looks to me like your web service, at this point in time, is either broken and/or a scam.

When I tested it, it didn't actually do any deterministic processing whatsoever, it only introduced some harmonic distortion, both on the "master" and on the file that was misleadingly labelled "before", suggesting that this is down to bad DSP rather than intention.

Then, there's the issue of the "before" sample presented for comparison being attenuated by 2 dB, meaning the (otherwise unaltered) "master" will sound exactly 2dB more impressive - in your player only.


Do you understand the implications from those two observations? Is there an explanation for this?





Robin,

Thank you for taking such an interest in our service and for sharing your results and feedback. As I mentioned before, we are constantly looking to improve the service. To that end, I have met with our development team and investigated the 2dB issue that you described. We found a bug in the song upload process, and it seems to be resolved now. I invite you to try uploading your song again and report the results.
In addition, please stay tuned for the next version of the website which will include more user control over the mastering process.

Thanks,
Paul



Hi Paul,

I had another test run with it.


The one hing that has indeed changed is that now, the supposed "before" sample isn't attenuated anymore. The 2 dB difference in gain between the "before" and "after" sample is still there though... and we all know what that means. But at least the "before" level in the comparison is now true to the source. Now, when the sample approaches 0dBfs, the "after" sample is clipped.



Besides that however, nothing has changed as far as I can tell. The process still isn't really doing anything (it doesn't seem to be deterministic, let alone intelligent). There's no EQ and no dynamics, and the source I used clearly needed some EQ work.

The only difference, as before, is an increase in harmonic distortion, but as before, that's both on the "after" and the supposed "before" sample, indicating it's unintentional.


Essentially, the service, as it is now, is adding 2 dB of gain, while (likely accidentally) adding significant distortion.

Is that the service that you intend to sell? Or is it still broken?

Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Thomas W. Bethel on November 16, 2010, 09:59:00 AM
Maybe this is all a school project or a way to become the new Bill Gates??? If he is making money more power to him. The only thing that upsets me is how gullible do you have to be to believe this on line APP will "master" your music? The problem is some "poor starving musicians" will use this "service" find out that they spent some money that was basically wasted, condemn all mastering and mastering engineers and say the next time they will DIY it themselves or will forgo the whole mastering process.

Maybe version 2 of their website will offer more tweaking???
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: masterhse on November 16, 2010, 10:28:15 AM
Patrik T wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 09:06

masterhse wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 14:07

http://stackoverflow.com/users/182080/paul



Interesting, because it leads us to:

http://www.paulericloeb.com/

where the following can be read:


Quote:

I am currently in school at Video Symphony studying Pro Tools Audio Engineering
I work as a Web Developer for USC Auxiliary Services http://aux.usc.edu/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Fresh Intermedia http://www.freshintermedia.com/
I am the President and Chief Executive Officer of No Ego Records http://www.noegorecords.com/
I am the Co-Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Megapony http://www.megapony.com/
I am a Music Producer and DJ http://www.loebmusic.com/
I graduated in May 2009 from the University of Southern California
Major: Business Administration
Concentration: Entrepreneurship
Minor: Music Industry



Truly puzzling stuff.


Regards
Patrik


Not all too puzzling really.

Note the featured website of http://www.freshintermedia.com/

He seems like a very enterprising lad.


Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Jerry Tubb on November 16, 2010, 11:02:20 AM
masterhse wrote on Sun, 14 November 2010 12:06

An automated approach to mastering in any form shows complete ignorance of what the process is truly about.


Amen!

I still haven't clicked on the link, plenty of knuckleheads around pretending to do mastering.

Cheers, JT
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: brunoj on November 16, 2010, 11:31:47 AM
I think Wikipedia already got the message and took action by making it plain and simple:

Quote:

"Mastering can not be achieved by automation"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_mastering

J. Bruno
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: masterhse on November 16, 2010, 11:49:54 AM
brunoj wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 11:31

I think Wikipedia already got the message and took action by making it plain and simple:

Quote:

"Mastering can not be achieved by automation"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_mastering

J. Bruno


Wow, big brother must be watching:

"Mastering can not be achieved by automation, or an automated online VST plug-in"

Let's see if they read this and fix the following:

"There is no logarithm—offline or online—that can replace the judgment of a human to determine..."
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Alexey Lukin on November 16, 2010, 03:19:33 PM
jonathan jetter wrote on Mon, 15 November 2010 21:36

this thread is now 2nd on the list of google results when you search for "instant song mastering"

Oh, yes, and it's full of wonderful endorsements!

jdg wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 22:29

great, you just saved me alot of time!
_________________________
john mcCaig
-Mothery Earworks Clarifold Audipure



domc wrote on Thu, 11 November 2010 22:33

...always wanted to do it..
_________________________
Domc

Mastering Engineer
Dominic McGlinn B.Mus.T. (Hons)

Margate, QLD
+61421961641




24-96 Mastering wrote on Fri, 12 November 2010 13:29

Utter brilliance!
_________________________
24-96 Mastering
CD - SACD - DVD




masterhse wrote on Sun, 14 November 2010 13:06

I hope that the site becomes popular, it may do more to actually help our industry.
_________________________
Tom Volpicelli
The Mastering House Inc.
CD Mastering and Media Production Services



Very Happy
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Lynn Fuston on November 16, 2010, 07:52:19 PM
OK. So who here was it that modified the Wiki entry?

And you guys need to stop giving him ideas. Before you know it, he's going to read this thread and make the BST (Whoops. Meant VST. Freudian slip?) actually do something other than introduce distortion.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: masterhse on November 16, 2010, 09:46:31 PM
Lynn Fuston wrote on Tue, 16 November 2010 19:52

OK. So who here was it that modified the Wiki entry?

And you guys need to stop giving him ideas. Before you know it, he's going to read this thread and make the BST (Whoops. Meant VST. Freudian slip?) actually do something other than introduce distortion.


He just needs a better logarithm.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Viitalahde on November 17, 2010, 12:47:15 AM
I think he needs a double precision sine table, and he needs to read it backwards in order to save a couple of cycles every time the DEX happens, because you can omit the CPX altogether and just use BNE.

I'll just continue with my coffee here.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: compasspnt on November 17, 2010, 01:06:04 AM
Viitalahde wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 00:47

I think he needs a double precision sine table, and he needs to read it backwards in order to save a couple of cycles every time the DEX happens, because you can omit the CPX altogether and just use BNE.



Is that sophisticated a Mastering software available in one VST, or would one have to write their own code?
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Viitalahde on November 17, 2010, 02:40:17 AM
compasspnt wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 08:06

Is that sophisticated a Mastering software available in one VST, or would one have to write their own code?



It requires a custom 6502-based DSP card.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Tomas Danko on November 17, 2010, 07:58:12 AM
Viitalahde wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 05:47

I think he needs a double precision sine table, and he needs to read it backwards in order to save a couple of cycles every time the DEX happens, because you can omit the CPX altogether and just use BNE.

I'll just continue with my coffee here.

Now, this is talk that speaks to me!
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Lynn Fuston on November 17, 2010, 07:54:10 PM
Here's the scary part.

Read this review about the ISM service.

Quote:

My first impressions.

I’ve only had a chance to listen to this on my little Altec computer speakers, but I can already here an improvement in my mix, subtle though it may be. Sounds like some of the muddy low mids have been removed and a little limiting has been added. I expected the master to be a lot louder than my original mix. I wonder how the algorithm works. Does it try to determine the genre first, and then apply some presets?


Source: http://barbadosguitar.com/wordpress/?p=125

He heard a difference and later concludes it was worth the $10.

Quote:

 Conclusion

I think this was a well spent $10.00. I learned somethings about my mix, in particular I could have cut some of the low mids on my chugging guitar parts. It would have been even more useful to have gotten some kind report on what was done to the mix.

I think we will definitely be seeing more software like this in the future, and at some point I will try it again.


He'll send him another $10 to have nothing applied again? Heaven help us. All these years we've been trying to earn money by actually doing SOMETHING to the sound. The real trick is to get paid for doing nothing.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gold on November 17, 2010, 08:30:38 PM
Lynn Fuston wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 19:54

All these years we've been trying to earn money by actually doing SOMETHING to the sound. The real trick is to get paid for doing nothing.



I'm quite happy to do nothing if that's what's required. I have a feeling -2dB with an added 1% THD is about as good as you can hope for. Actually doing nothing would probably be better in most cases than shoving it though a few plugins blindly. When he figures out how to put it though plugins it will get worse fast.

Even though this is a terrible service that is basically a scam I have little sympathy for the customers. "We master your music without listening to it. It's just as good as superfaboulous mastering for only $9.99." I bet the service is based in a jungle in Grenada.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: compasspnt on November 17, 2010, 08:53:04 PM
You insult Grenada, Sir.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gold on November 17, 2010, 09:05:33 PM
compasspnt wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 20:53

You insult Grenada, Sir.



It was an oblique Jim Jones reference. I hold no malice toward friends from Grenada. I used to live near many of them in Flatbush.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: bblackwood on November 17, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
Gold wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 20:05

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 20:53

You insult Grenada, Sir.



It was an oblique Jim Jones reference. I hold no malice toward friends from Grenada. I used to live near many of them in Flatbush.

Great, now you're going to lose all your clients from Grenada.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Lynn Fuston on November 17, 2010, 10:07:19 PM
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 20:44

Gold wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 20:05

compasspnt wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 20:53

You insult Grenada, Sir.



It was an oblique Jim Jones reference. I hold no malice toward friends from Grenada. I used to live near many of them in Flatbush.

Great, now you're going to lose all your clients from Grenada.


<Laughing out loud.>
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gold on November 17, 2010, 10:31:07 PM
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 17 November 2010 21:44


Great, now you're going to lose all your clients from Grenada.


Soca it goes. (sorry)
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Gold on November 18, 2010, 08:30:01 AM
I actually do owe the island nation of Grenada an apology. Jonestown was in Guyana. In my defense I did say "oblique reference" and they play soca in both countries.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: cass anawaty on November 18, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
JT might remember this crew.  College students dropped everything when they came to town.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K74GSl3T7tQ
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: AndreasN on November 19, 2010, 10:51:34 AM
The sole purpose of this $10 per track service is to add 2dB gain. It doesn't even manage that without messing it up.

index.php/fa/15872/0/

Thought that sort of digital audio behaviour died in the 80's..


It's not a constant factor. It only happens on some of the positive peaks. Very strange behaviour.

It does sound as bad as it looks when the clicks occur in music.


Verdict: the free 30 second trial wasn't worth the price.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Jerry Tubb on November 19, 2010, 11:08:29 AM
cass anawaty wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 09:39

JT might remember this crew.  College students dropped everything when they came to town.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K74GSl3T7tQ


Somehow... Cass, I missed this ...OMG!

Was way off into the jazz, blues, & roots thing during those years. (but do remember watching MTV summer '81 & being amused with New Wave music).

I do understand there's a Guayana reference there, so I'm not completely dim.

I'm still not drinking the koolaid or wasting a sawbuck on this (ahem) "service".

Cheers, JT
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Lynn Fuston on November 19, 2010, 12:42:06 PM
Gold wrote on Thu, 18 November 2010 07:30

I actually do owe the island nation of Grenada an apology. Jonestown was in Guyana. In my defense I did say "oblique reference" and they play soca in both countries.


I'm glad you straightened that out. Something about it seemed wrong.

The other two that people mix up is Ghana and Guyana. I've been to Ghana, not Guyana.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: Lynn Fuston on November 19, 2010, 12:45:26 PM
Well, I got the two 16-bit files from someone who had "purchased" the service on a whole song. An analysis of the difference signal between the two can be seen here in the second attachment. The first attachment is the FR spectral content of the two MP3 versions overlaid on each other.

 http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/showthread.php?20941-Automatic -mastering-No-waiting.&p=226342#post226342

So those gremlin spikes at -130 are what exactly? More specifically than distortion.
Title: Re: "Instant Song Mastering" $10
Post by: dcollins on November 19, 2010, 08:57:19 PM
Lynn Fuston wrote on Fri, 19 November 2010 09:45


So those gremlin spikes at -130 are what exactly? More specifically than distortion.


And speaking of Irony, the Joerod2 name combined with talk of spectrum analysis and Wikipedia -- well you just can't beat it.


DC