ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:30 |
These are some really quick and dirty comments on the mixes: GrantRichard Good beefy drums. Good balance, I'd like more guitar. |
grant richard wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 13:34 | ||
Hey, Thanks! I'm glad somebody liked my supersized drums. Where would have preferred more guitar? Chorus, verse, solo? All of the above? Thanks for the comments! |
MGAudio wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:43 |
Since I messed up big time on the last IMP, and therefore didn't comment here are some reviews (maybe I'm gonna do the rest that I missed too later on), tried something new and blind listend. As always it's just my opinion. Grant Richard That drums rip ... which isn't Particularly good in this song IMO The "duh ya"s sound very lofi So once the guitars kicked in an the dominant drums got less dominant it was a good mix |
ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:46 | ||||
I'd like to get the feeling that the guitars in the chorus are bigger. You could simply turn 'em up in the chorus or automate levels so that when I get to the chorus there's a big guitar level contrast with what is before so I know I'm at the chorus. |
ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:30 |
Jason Thompson Shifted lead vox. Bass is low heavy but lacks presence. Very dull. |
MGAudio wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:43 |
Jason Thompson Lofi sound Vocals are burried |
PaulyD wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 05:33 |
Who are the band and the engineer on this? I didn't submit an entry, but I enjoyed mixing it. I really like the song. Overall good engineering, too. Paul |
J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 10:13 |
2nd. Although, I would have to say that it was a bit the performances as well. Heavy on the crashes, vocal mic technique, tuning on the bass, etc. |
spoon wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 11:10 | ||
I hear ya. But isnt that the engineer's job....to have the gain set for such things. Especially in a studio situation where the song was done at least twice and a gain range can be determined. Cheers, David |
J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 11:17 | ||||
It was in addition to what you said. |
J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 09:45 |
Brother. I think you MAY have some monitoring issues. I mean, there were a number of times when you commented on drums being "muffled" that I didn't understand. A couple "a little too much" on some high freq or mid where I thought it was outrageous. |
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MGA Harsh and lacking body esp the snare. |
ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 04:30 |
DevinK Cool intro. Drum ambience is very obvious and panned unnatural. The clean repeated guitar 'sample' doesn't work esp the sound of it, too poky. You lost me because the mix choices you made don't make it sound as if I have a real band in front of me. |
MGAudio wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 04:43 |
DevinK Where did you get that organ from in the intro? The percussivness of the lick guitar is nice but at the edge of being too much Overall nice mix, but where did you get the those organ sounds from? |
Devin Knutson wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 12:18 |
No organ. It's the one guitar note that I chopped out of the riffs part for the intro, sent out through a digitech GSP-2101 guitar processor on the "String Swell" preset. |
ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 06:30 |
Loudsongsinc Kick &Snare drums in intro sound roomless. Don't like the eq on the kick. Chorus guitars lack body. Balance is good. |
ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 04:30 |
Rankus Very dry. Could use some reverb to glue it all together. Apart from that I like this one. |
J-Texas |
My school of thought is if you make it sound perfect and badass in your room... unless it's perfect... it will be a nightmare for the ME. |
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I do wish the chorus guitars were "bigger." I had a tapey sounding multitap delay set up for the vox that I should have tried on the guitars. That would have helped the thickness. I also notched out some mid to give the vox room to breathe. Should I have left the mid in (2.5-3k)? Left in more low mid (200-400Hz)? |
ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 14:41 | ||
Of course you try to make your mix as perfect and badass as possible in the room you work. We have mastering to make up for our room anomalies. If it doesn't sound perfect and badass in our room it's higly unlikely mastering can make it sound perfect and badass outside of it. |
spoon wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 12:05 |
BTW, did you get new monitors, or did you mix this in a different space than you normally use? |
Patrik T wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 13:03 |
Jason Thompson: Too heavy lows in the kick. The overall tone is gathered good but vox might be slightly off regarding toghetherness with the rest (tone, not the obvious shift in time). |
spoon wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 14:35 |
Jason Thompson - The drums are nice and tight. The verse vocals are intimate but abit low. The chorus vocals are a bit restrained. The vocal positioning (as noted) is interesting. DBallenger did something similar. Fun when you have been listening to the same song 20 times. The mix has an overall slighty lo-fi quality to it.Reminds me of the good old cassette days. |
J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 15:15 | ||||
Yes and yes. I usually mix on the NS10M's in my converted bedroom, partially treated, good enough for editing radio shows control room thingie. I figure a few more mixes (of stuff I didn't record) in the newly finished studio will help me get used to it. I'm using some ProAc studio 100 monitors down there. There is definitely a "masking" of the high end response on those speakers with the grills on (duh). I didn't like it, but maybe it's necessary. I've only mixed on NS10's my whole life, so going to a set of monitors like that is a totally different animal.
Ouch! How many times recorded over cassette? Did you have to put scotch tape over the "safe" tabs? I did some automation on the vox before it hit the compressor, that's why the chorus parts aren't really there. I could have spent a lot longer on the bass and vox. Thanks man. |
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Grant Richard - Aggressive snare treatment...nice. Sample or effect? Nice vocals. Nice mix overall. |
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grantrichard Do I hear compressor pumping everything during the chorus? |
Huds wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 16:30 |
Loudsongsinc Other than the kick, pretty good. Seems like the bass guitar fades back in the first chorus - was that intentional? RMS: -16.03/-16.24 |
loudsongsinc wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 17:57 | ||
Thanks for the critique, Huds. I'll admit, the kick is a little different. I heard it as thuddy. What should I change about it to make it fit better? The bass does pull back during the chorus, as well as the snare and overheads. That's something I do to increase the perceived volume of the chorus. Normally I'm working with heavier guitars and I pull the vocal back as well. It seems to work, although you are the first person to ever point out that they noticed specifically what was going on. Of course, this is the first time I've had feedback from real engineers. . . thank you! Scott |
Huds wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 23:30 |
patrikt Too much guitar (another guitar player?) in the heavier parts. Hey... where'd the solo go? Avg RMS: -11.77/-12.68 Loudness war violation |
Huds wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 22:30 |
What most will hear on the first listen is a gritty American Rock and Roll sound that could fit as well in classic rock sections as in alt.country bins. ---- If you saw this description BEFORE you started mixing, would you have changed what you did? |
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Eight (stupid emoticons)) The drums sound robotic. Are they replacements? Another big roomy vocal in what I saw as a tight, muscular song. Bass guitar seems a bit muddy to me. |
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grantrichard drum comp is cool but too OTT. kick loud relative to vox. the mix feels like its being held back by 2 buss comp esp on the choruses. otherwise it's cool. |
PaulyD wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 03:33 |
Who are the band and the engineer on this? |
YZ wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 08:57 |
Osumosan - intro good, until the over-resonant mondo kick kicks in; it does not match the rest of the kit, a pity because I'm liking the rest of the kit; vocal too distant and buried; another one who went for tinny buzzy gtrs; what's with the bass bukkakke? |
PaulyD wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 06:39 | ||
Got it. Y'all will find out, too...in due time... |
Careful Collapse wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 18:30 |
7) Where did all of the high end go? I know it's cool on this forums to talk trash about high end but yikes. Uh, another weird delayed vocal. ???? |
MoreSpaceEcho wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 20:13 |
jason thompson that vocal is just too crazy. |
jdier wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 09:02 |
jtexas - Curious about the chorus vocal shift... did you think it was wrong, or just prefer your position? I like the kick bass interaction. Did you distort the bass. sounds great. really nice approach on the distorted guitars. Love the false ending. Really love that. genious. |
J-Texas wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 15:15 | ||||
FUCKING BACK BUTTON!!!!!!! Dude. I set myself up for that response. I'm not explaining it correctly, I guess. I just make a mix that I'm comfortable with and see if it sounds good in a few different places. I think that the second set of ears for the tweaking of EQ by an ME is the logical next step. I don't even pretend to hear what you people hear man. In this case, I got in the truck with it and new two things: I immediately heard the things you guys are talking about and I knew I didn't have time to change it. |
grant richard wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 09:51 | ||||
Indeed....google the chorus lyrics. |
loudsongsinc wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 11:38 |
6) Jason Thompson - Too much dist on Bass for the verses; cardboard kick; vocals are too distracting to listen more. . . |
Jdier |
Curious if you can share how you got the snare sound. |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 12:31 | ||
Wow. Another one? I think I'll just cop out too. My crits will be much shorter. Or would you feel cheated? Because I do. |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 16:26 | ||
Dude. I've stopped listening to mixes in fear of even more tinnitus from piercing high frequencies before. But, a different angle on the rhythmic positioning of the vocal... that's a little close minded don't you think? |
loudsongsinc wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 15:00 | ||||
If you would like a more in depth critique, please ask, don't get defensive. I believe you said in your first post, "From an mix engineer's prospective... I'm embarrassed." I agree that your vocal timing REALLY works in some places. Many of the verse lines and one or two in the prechorus/chorus sound VERY cool in your version. If you had planned that and shifted/stretched/shrunk each line word by word it could be fabulous. As it is, the bad lines are so bad they hurt. That said, after listening to the whole tune, here's what I hear in the mix, minus the vocal timing: snare and overheads sound good; bass gtr takes the low lows but the kick doesn't fill in the low mids, kick doesn't have low lows or low mids or a lot of attack, it's just there; bass gtr sounds good on the prechorus and chorus, distortion too audible in verses; DoYa's sound much better than they were recorded; good volume balances; LdVox sound is good, little sibilant; good gtr tones (reamped/amp sim?); nice fade out cheating averted Scott |
MoreSpaceEcho wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 15:54 | ||||
yeah, you're right. apologies. it was hard listening to all of these in a row (which i did twice) and hearing yours with the vocal shifted...in context of the rest of them it was REALLY distracting. i just listened to yours again, by itself, and i have to admit i was kind of digging the vocal like that. it still sounds fucked up but i can see where you were going with it. the last line of the chorus works really well like that. overall i thought your mix was good, true to the band. (well, except for the vocal thing, they would probably kill you:) dark for sure, but i've mastered enough records to know that's not really a problem. and i really like what you did with the end. better? |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 17:53 |
Please don't expect that THAT was getting defensive or our little internet relationship will never work and I'll have to walk out on you and you'll be PM'img me for months. |
J-Texas wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 00:35 |
You need a beating! : ) |
loudsongsinc wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 20:20 | ||
J, are you seeing another engineer? You just don't seem to open up to me anymore. Like, you know, we don't connect. . . Scott |
Patrik T wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 20:24 |
I'd like to propose the biggest toasts of all in mankind for Mr Hall that make things like these happen. Patrik |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 10:41 |
THIS IS FROM MAXIM IN THE WHATEVER WORKS FORUM. Why couldn't I have just said this: "the way i see it is that my job is to make it sound good in my room the ME's job is to make it sound good everywhere else... " |
jdier wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 13:48 |
Anyone know if J is going to post a mix? |
Devin Knutson wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 15:01 |
J-Texas: There seems to be a massive buildup in the 150-300 range. Not sure if this was a decision or a monitoring issue. It's not exactly "muddy" but it is unnatural sounding. The bass is out of tune. Because of the overall band-limited sound, it almost sounds like an acoustic bass through an amp. It's actually kind of nice that way as a sound, but it doesn't really work for me overall. The vocal is nice and present, but perhaps a tad low. It's tough for me to tell against all that low-mid. I like the guitars quite a bit. They're nice and crunchy without being overbearing. The do-yas'a seem to be balanced well, but they are super dry and seem to be sticking out a bit as a result. I'd like them a bit more tucked in, and part of the groove. The vocal seems to be getting really buried now in the third verse after the lead guitar comes in. After the second chorus, there doesn't seem to be anything going on in the left channel any more. It loses balance for me a bit. Ha! I REALLY like the tiny break turnaround in the final do-ya's! That just never occurred to me. It works really well. Nice. Nice smooth fade that kicks off just before the phrase turnaround. Overall Impressions: Other than the odd frequency build up in the low mids, I think things are mostly level balanced fairly well. There are a few things that stick out a bit here and there, but nothing huge. The bass tuning just plain bugs the crap outta me, I'm afraid. Regarding the delayed vocal... There are places where it works - where it could be deliberate. These moments are really nice, and offer a refreshing take on the song. They are however, far more rare than I think you may realize. For the most part, there just isn't any rhythmic relationship whatsoever between the vocal and the track. I do tons of theater, and every so often (typically during a "review" type show), I'll run into has-been, also-ran singers who perpetually sing w_a_a_y behind the beat like this. They are generally older, and when pressed on the issue will screw their noses into the air and declare petulantly they are being "artistic". They're not. They just suck. I hate them. 'Nuff said. |
j.hall wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 13:40 | ||
that's a really flawed point of view. my room, being REALLY good sounding, is anything but perfect. my goal is for it to sound killer where ever the band is listening to the refs and making their recall notes. i believe firmly that my job as a mixer is to deliver a product that sounds nearly identical every where else as it does inside my room. i think most successful mixers would agree with that. i HIGHLY doubt CLA just brushes it off by saying, "well, it sounds good in here........" if that were true, he wouldn't be the king of modern radio rock and be demanding the rates he does. |
J-Texas wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 13:54 |
Devin, I'm not sure if you're trying to be tactfully condescending or what. There has not been a single person, including one other engineer, that has said those vocals were so out of place that there had to be something wrong. Of course, they had never heard it placed anywhere else, either. For you to say that "there isn't any rhythmic relationship whatsoever between the vocal and the track" is insulting, not only to me... but to the other musicians that have enjoyed listening to the song. I am absolutely appalled that you would attempt to discredit my taste and my musicianship. Shifting a whole track to the right, exactly the same all the way through the song, while keeping it right on beat can hardly be compared to falling behind the pocket like a lazy lounge act. I guess I know, from the end of your post, how you feel about my rebuttal. |
MoreSpaceEcho wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 16:39 |
i think you're taking devin's criticism a little too personally man. it didn't read as condescending to me. the vocal *does* sound weird. if i got that track to master i would raise an eyebrow at that vocal. the *idea* of it is cool, don't get me wrong. like i said before i can see where you were going with it, and some phrases do work great. but it's not totally in the pocket the whole time, and if it's gonna work with the timing shifted like that, it's gotta REALLY be there you know? i think if you had more time for the mix and could go through and really fine tune the timing of each phrase it could really work and be more interesting than the original, which admittedly is pretty straightforward (NTTAWWT). as it is, it's not there yet. that's all. |
maxim wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 04:54 |
i had said (elsewhere): ""the way i see it is that my job is to make it sound good in my room the ME's job is to make it sound good everywhere else... " to which j replied: "that's a really flawed point of view." what, in your opinion, is the role of the ME? do you use one? without a doubt, the better you know your room, the more you are aware how things will translate elsewhere however, unless your room is perfect, you're going to be in trouble if you rely on it even if you do the mastering yourself (a la terry), it's still best to have the right environment and do it in a separate session cla gets his mixes mastered, right? |
Chris Ilett wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 02:56 |
Car stereo was broken too, which I love to use as it's where I listen to 90% of music. |
grant richard wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 06:19 |
Brad Blackwood told me on IMP17 never to mix with the mastering engineer in mind. Just make it sound good, and nail the balance and sonics as best I can. Seems like good advice to me. |
maxim wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 04:54 |
what, in your opinion, is the role of the ME? do you use one? without a doubt, the better you know your room, the more you are aware how things will translate elsewhere however, unless your room is perfect, you're going to be in trouble if you rely on it even if you do the mastering yourself (a la terry), it's still best to have the right environment and do it in a separate session cla gets his mixes mastered, right? |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 09:08 |
i would have written more like this: "my job is to learn my room and how it translates to the real world. i require an ME to ensure that thought's fruition" |
spoon wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 14:33 |
Thanks all who have put in a review.... The jury is in: everyone wants less bottom snare mic. So, I re-listened to mine based on various comments...oh as an aside, I think some people are mixing up mixes and submitters. I randomize the listening and listen blind but I can see how things can get cross-pollinated. I say this as a couple of comments on mine and other's submissions are so off that I can believe it is a monitoring issue on the reviewer's end. They must have mixed up submissions and submitters. But, the snare. Well I still like it the way it is. I (like you all) had my choice of mics....I like the snare-filled snare. The top mic was way too boxy for my liking. I realize I am in the minority on this one, but I dont think I would changed that if I had a chance to revisit my mix (unless the talent requested such a change). I go into most of my IMPs blind as to the pre-discussion. I prefer it that way, unless the talent is on this forum and offers insight into the outcome of the final product. So I am curious. What about that snare (in my version) begs for a change...try to articulate this to me...is it a genre thing...you know stuff like that is what I would like to know. Cause I really would keep it as is....you know, sounding like an actual snare drum (one type of snare drum, that is). I realize this is all MOP (matter of opinion) but this is one MOP many of the reviewers agree on. Cheers, David |
grant richard wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 15:18 | ||
I hadn't listened to it yet, but after this, I felt I must. For my taste, the bottom snare mic lacked impact, and I think the end result of your snare sound lacks impact. It doesn't have much body either. The reason I used more top mic is...I suppose...the 'boxiness' you wanted to avoid. MOP indeed. Hope that helps. |
spoon wrote on Mon, 14 July 2008 16:00 | ||||
See I thought it did have enough impact (for me). But I did like your snare sound. You partially answered my comment on yours by your post above...now that I know it is not a sample, what FX did you apply the snare track? Regards, David |
Antman wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 00:37 |
Jason Thompson: Acoustic is okay, quite loud, which gives it more of a top 40 character. Snare sounds MUFFLED. The rhythmic quality of the snares sound (compression?) is nicely shaped, but to me the EQ just makes it feel unnatural. It also sounds like the snare drum is actually going to be chewing up a lot of your head room, since you seem to have turned up the entire snare sound to make up for it's lack of presence due to a lack of certain higher frequencies. I like the fade at the end. |
rankus wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 00:10 |
What I have noticed on this imp, and most of the other imps as well, is that folks seem to be trying to make mixes that draw attention to the mix itself... big reverbs, impressive snare sounds etc. I thought my mix was more in line with what this song should sound like... until I heard J's that is. Keep it "clean" guys. If you can hear the mix it is a bad mix IMO. IMP 20: Hurry up! |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 12:46 |
i just listened to clips of all the submission. man there is a really broad spectrum of mixes. seems like every one took the same general approach. i actually took some time today to mix the tune. i put the mp3 on the PSW server but won't post a link. i'm already breaking the rules enough just buy uploading it. though i do think my mix will help some of you, might be worthy of a listen, totally up to you. i'll delete it if ya'll think it's not fair of me to do. |
osumosan wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 10:45 |
What do you mean by "bukkakke?" Do you mean sloppy and overdone? |
loudsongsinc wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 13:38 |
24) YZ - Bass a little round; where’s the kick?; too much snare bottom; everything is a little too ambient; Good BGVox EQ,verb and mix; like the arrangment; the mix is closer to right than it sounds at first, little less verb, more kick and it is REAL good Scott Bryant |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 12 July 2008 19:35 |
YZ – Weird room verb. IMO this needed to either be big or dry. Drums are very small. I’m starting to adjust from the last one. Yeah. There’s really nothing to support all of that cymbal, guitar, vocal stuff. The bass is carrying the whole rhythm it sounds like. Nice lead. Nice dynamics in this one. I think some 2 buss would have helped to seat this vocal in there. I like it up front, but it’s beginning to sound like a karaoke tape. 2 buss would gel this together, but don’t lose the dynamics. I like that you saw the necessity of a fade out on this one and the reprise of the chorus was excellent. That was my second choice. I just like the false ending idea more. Opinions, options. Great idea. By the way… your vocal sounded out of place. Like it was a beat ahead or something. : ) |
osumosan wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 14:54 |
YZ Where's the beef i.e.: lowend? The tracks are left a little raw. The drums need to drive the track more. |
Chris Ilett wrote on Thu, 10 July 2008 15:42 |
YZ - Another one who seems to bury everything under the guitars when it gets loud. That lead guitar at the end sounds so out of place. More later |
ATOR wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 08:30 |
YZ Nice full leadvox, this is the only vox of all mixes I really liked. Drums are a bit thin in comparison. Guitar solo is too loud. Good mix. |
Patrik T wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 15:03 |
YZ: Bass is too sloppy. The playing is far from the best but can be fixed somewhat. Tone of guitars and vox are not anywhere similar. The difference makes things sound more like a mix than a song... |
spoon wrote on Fri, 11 July 2008 16:35 |
YZ - Nice verse vocals. Kick is abit small. Nice balance in general. Like the long fade out. |
rankus wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 18:50 |
Well I'm thinking more like "great acting" as opposed to "over acting" IMO There was no great acting on this imp (including my own mix BTW) only over acting. |
Fiasco wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 07:35 | ||
I feel a mix should represent the song, not present itself as a separate identity. With the exception of a few, these IMP mixes are overdone. |
NelsonL wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 18:04 |
I assume you (J dot) were too busy or didn't read that part of my email? I had my mix done early but was camping on the due date. |
YZ wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 07:29 |
While I agree with with both about what happened in general terms on this IMP, I disagree about my mix; I do not feel I've overdone anything... |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 11:33 | ||
i have such little time to review all these, but i'll give you my thoughts on your mix. indeed i think your mix is NOT overdone? in fact, i would say it's very underdone. everything except the drums sound pretty good. but drums are SO key to a killer mix. that verb on the acoustic guitar needs to have a LPF on it to get rid of that splashy top end that makes it sound really digital. i think all the BGV's could stand a dose of "vibe" but that's just personal taste. the question is, which is worse? underdone or overdone? if i were answering the question i'd say "both" |
Chris Ilett wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 10:59 |
J - my kick was ok in my opinion, but I couldn't quite get that sound you did (which is what I was aiming for). I had some problems with around 500 - 1K (from memory). Couldn't get the balance. |
J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 11:59 |
J. Your mix definitely has the "J.Hall" print on it. |
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You had to have used a sample on the kick, huh? Not only was that big and solid, but it didn't have the little "double taps" from the beater. I put a gate on mine, but that one sounds great. |
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For my taste, the snare was too even for me. I like the snare hitting a little above everything on this one. |
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That's your drum buss sound, though and it does sound nice, even, and under control. |
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Why did everybody decide on the Depeche Mode "Personal Jesus" delayed guitar? |
J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 12:54 |
It doesn't always sit out front, which is where I liked it on this song. |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:17 |
j-texas...... you mix is very dark. problem is, the vocal is close to bright enough. so mastering will make your vocal paper thin just to get the music where it needs to be. the only reason your snare has more punch then mine is that the top end of mine is present and accounted for. your kick is getting swallowed up in that giant low mid mess of a bass guitar. guitars have no bite i won't even comment on the vocal move. this mix sounds like i have my ear plugs in (the cheap foam ones) |
J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:19 |
You're not above criticism are you? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:21 | ||
not even close. i'm also not below disagreeing. |
YZ wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 08:29 | ||||
While I agree with with both about what happened in general terms on this IMP, I disagree about my mix; I do not feel I've overdone anything... |
J-Texas wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:23 |
Neither am I man! |
J-Texas wrote on Sun, 13 July 2008 00:35 |
J.NICKEL – That’s cool on the acoustic. That f’ing cymbal thing is like someone kicking me in the nuts and spitting in my face. A little de-essing on the vox. Good drum compression. I like this as a dark mix. Bass guitar gets kind of honky once in awhile. You left it dull. I like that. That’s what I was going for too. Nice BGV’s. This would open up very awesome with a shelf around 12k and up I think. Good mids. |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 13:34 | ||
that is abundantly clear in this thread alone. |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 07:27 | ||
OH MAN. 1 part forgot, one part too busy. i even had the track ready to upload for you. SORRY!!!! we'll start another one really soon. |
Fiasco wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 19:32 | ||
Perhaps you were one of the few. |
YZ wrote on Tue, 15 July 2008 23:33 | ||
I meant "in your face and exaggerated"; I felt drenched in it. And both the original expression and my explanation above probably sound harsh, this is not the intention so here comes the 3rd attempt to characterize the bass sound: too much low freqs and occupying a lot of space. Sorry if I offended you; I'll pay attention to being more civil in the next comments. |
osumosan wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 17:36 | ||||
Tell me what about my response makes you think I was offended. You don't need to apologize for your opinion. I think I and most people here would have you forego being civil and just come out and say what you think. No? |
Chris Ilett wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 21:44 |
YZ, where are you from? |
sstillwell wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 21:37 |
I'll say this: being civil and saying what you think are not necessarily mutually exclusive. "Make your words soft and tender, lest you should later be obliged to eat them." Scott |
Chris Ilett wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 15:08 |
I love this forum. |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 16 July 2008 12:21 |
um, it's safe to say that EVERY mix you ever hear of mine has a replaced or blended kick sample... |