iCombs wrote on Sat, 18 August 2007 19:00 |
If you're talking about the chorus vox, no. That's stacks of 3 guys around an omni mic. If you're talking about the rest of the vox, no, because we cut vocals for this track with both guys singing in the same room and there's some bleed. You damn near gave me a heart attack! I thought I was going to have to go in and re-consolidate some things! |
Brian Lloyd wrote on Sat, 18 August 2007 17:38 |
GO J! |
Devin Knutson wrote on Sun, 19 August 2007 00:58 |
My first instinct just isn't working. |
chrisj wrote on Mon, 20 August 2007 14:21 |
J, before I get started, do you have any specifics on what my rules are this time? Yes I realize I could just do whatever I liked but I use these challenges to learn from. Is it gear-centric like 'use only Logic EQ and comps' or is it more like 'use whatever, but quit getting such heavily processed tones- this time everything has to sound natural, not freaked-out, melting down, and on fire'? -chris |
CHANCE wrote on Tue, 21 August 2007 13:30 |
Bummer! Buried in work! I'll probably slow down around November. Maybe imp 17 or 18. |
briefcasemanx wrote on Wed, 22 August 2007 06:35 |
The more I hear it the more I dislike this song, so I don't know how good my mix will be. |
Audio~Geek wrote on Tue, 21 August 2007 23:01 |
Just organizing the session, I noticed something: The Adam 3 file has some funky digital noise at the end of it. Any one else find this? |
southboundloco wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 07:53 |
hehe somebody already put up their own 'submissions' thread |
maxim wrote on Sun, 26 August 2007 23:48 |
it sounds great as usual, dave! ... 'coz people might miss out on hearing how it should be done... |
iCombs wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 18:44 |
J-Texas - Wow...sparse right off the top. And crunchy. You didn’t like jeff’s mic for his vocals in the verse? Interesting take...man...it’s WAY lo-fi compared to what I’ve heard so far. Not sure that I’m digging that particular aspect, but I do like the balances and the separation...everything feels really organic and garage, which is just not something I usually associate with this band. But that’s cool...I definitely think there’s some room for garage in the sound...the breakdown vocals are interesting, as I know I leaned really heavily on the group vocals, and there’s scarcely any in yours...what’s funny is the arrangement you laid out is basically the arrangement we used live. Are you stalking us? |
iCombs wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 18:44 |
macbraddy - interesting re-cut on the intro...I liked the vocal treatment on the first line...after that it felt a bit played out... |
iCombs wrote on Mon, 27 August 2007 18:44 |
J Hall - I like where the drums fit in your mix, but all the delay is killing me. I know you?ve submitted a somewhat unfinished mix, so I can understand some of that, but it?s really distracting in the verses, where the vocal rhythms are tighter. |
darkhorseporter wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 08:47 |
jason thompson - I like the edited intro. I wish I had done the same to my mix. The instruments sound good. The vocals need to sit better. actually, while I like the sounds and levels of the instruments, they aren't playing nice together. bus compression might help. hmm. I think the bass is way too loud in the bridge. wheres the piano? I'd say you're 3/4 there. |
M Carter wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 13:28 |
The thing I noticed the most about the mixes was peoples' tendency to add a lot of upper mids to the guitars. At times it helped a little, but most often it put the guitars in a separate space from the drums and made the whole thing sound smaller. I'll get more specific later. So far my favorite mixes are mcsnares and iCombs'. I actually like mine this time around which is a new thing for me... Matt |
J-Texas wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 15:20 |
... Hats are harsh man... |
Baddo wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 17:21 |
mmm interesting.. is there a specific section or do you find them harsh the whole track? |
J-Texas wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 20:18 | ||
I guess in general man. It's not that bad by any stretch. It's especially when they are banging wide open. It doesn't kill the mix for me... just an observation. A little tweak. Like I said, I like the mix. I think the segues are way too over the top for my taste, but what do I know. |
Baddo wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 20:32 | ||||
Oh, ok. I just asked because I like to identify this things... ...although now that you told me I don't know if I'll ever stop thinking about that HH being harsh whenever I listen to the song. |
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Southbound - Metal mania. On the fence on the panning situation. Wow. Godzilla just stepped on the scene! Weak snare man IMO. Compression. compression. compression. Whoa. There that damn Godzilla again. Can somebody get him out of the studio? Nice toms. Interesting bridge. I would have cleaned up the fade at the end, unless that's what you were going for. |
southboundloco wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 21:14 |
yeah sori bout the panning thing, i should have just done that in the second stanza, it was too early to introduce something weird in the beginning of the song. |
J-Texas wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 16:20 |
ChrisJ - What the hell? That guitar lazered through my forehead. I like drum segue. THAT GUITAR IS KILLING ME. A little tiny on the snare man. Where's the kick? AHHHH THE TORTURE. THE HUMANITY! MAKE IT STOP!! I see where you were going with the snare, it's has crack but no beef. I feel sorry for the rest of the guys I have to critique... my ears are about to fall off. Tell me what freq you bumped on that lead guitar so I'll know what to roll off in the future! |
fantomas wrote on Tue, 28 August 2007 21:52 |
jason thompson: i like de drums and bass, guitars feels a tad thin, nice mix. |
M Carter wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 00:00 |
J-texas - you and I are going to agree to disagree on the mids. to me all the mid range makes the mix sound smaller, was that intentional? I noticed you didn't try to pull much ambience out of the drums, so the mix works as a mix, it's just not really the way i interpreted the song. nice work on taking out the piano though.. I wish I had done the same. |
M Carter wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 01:00 |
Osumosan - the compression is a little extreme for me, but i like the energy of it. Some things I noticed about this and your IMP13 mix - lots of reverb on the vocals and a limited frequency range over the entire mix. is this intentional? |
fantomas wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 12:14 |
osumosan, the vocals feels like they could have more low mids or maybe a louder delay o reverb treatment to add some depth. in fact the actual raw tracks lacked some power to me, it sounds like a decent chinese microphone but i could be wrong, especially if you compare the sound against the drums that sounded pretty good. |
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southboundloco - holy mother of bright brass and guitars, batman! That stuff is WAY aggressive, but there seems to be a cut in the upper mids that makes it sound kinda like everything is seperate from everything else. The vocals are way on top of everything else, the bass is way under everything else, and the snare and the guitar sound like they are trying to avoid each other. It generally lacks cohesion. The guitars are really dominating the mix...and I'm not sure it's in a healthy way. The drum delay in the break is distracting. Also, your mix is shit hot. What was on your master buss? |
M Carter wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 10:37 |
osumosan - Did you "vintage warm" the mix buss ? It's one of those mixes I'm a little afraid to turn up because it's already so loud feeling, but it doesn't feel "big" loud, just loud. Something you may want to try is running your supercompressed mix alongside a less compressed (or not at all compressed) mix to help keep all the low end and transients you lose in the compression. Matt |
iCombs wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 18:21 |
it might just be too pumpy in general. I can really feel it in the guitar tracks |
southboundloco wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 20:03 | ||
hehe well there was no pointers on the desired outcome of the mix in the 1st place so i took it and ran with it , thats my take on the song anyway i wanted it to sound main-stream pop rock aggressive ,hence the wall of guitar sound. r u the drummer/bass player?...vocals... isn't that where its suppose to be?...i kinda did a bit of pseudo mastering but i was only taking out 1-2 db... |
ATOR wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 11:03 |
JHall It?s a good starting point, now all you have to do is make everything louder |
Adam Miller wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 09:44 |
Hello everyone.... these are my first impressions of the mixes, in the order wot they turned up on my hard drive:... |
ATOR wrote on Wed, 29 August 2007 11:03 |
Jason Thompson Very middy sounding band. The vocals are great. The drumspace is too small compared to how wide the guitars are: the guitars are 50ft apart but the drums are in a 12ft room. Balance is good. |
chrisj wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 01:18 |
IMP_14_Jason_Thompson: Snarly guitars. I like how they're voiced, and the track swings. Drums have a neat thump and pop. All in all this is very likeable |
Adam Miller wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 09:44 |
Jason Thompson- Overall tonality is a bit middy and constricted. Kick and bass are a bit honky and lacking in balls for my liking. Balance of elements is good, and the mix is otherwise well constructed, just not 'radio-ready' sounding. |
J-Texas wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 12:36 | ||
CHRISj - My mix must be perfect for you because I am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you have some mid frequency hearing loss, a screw loose, and a possible coke (and/or) speed addiction. |
chrisj wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 13:05 |
I've been clean for like fifteen years or so. |
chrisj wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 01:18 |
thanks J for having the balls to put up a stage of your work we normally would never hear |
M Carter wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 16:52 |
Adam - It's pretty amazing some of the shit we can't notice until someone else tells us. |
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IMP14southboundlocoprint1: hey, compelling vocals! The song itself just feels generically big, perhaps because of the distortions of image I talked about with Boedo's, but for some reason the vocals are really clicking on this one. I wonder how much of that has to do with the radical hard panning? For some reason when the guy's yelling out of the side speaker, he feels so very immediate. I'd be interested to know the signal chain on the verse vocals in this mix. Part of it is surely how hot the vox are, because they're REALLY REALLY hot. If everything was as hot, the mix would suck, but instead it's a loud mix in which the vocals just blow everything else away... |
M Carter wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 23:30 |
chrisj - the thing with those records is that they never reach the point of going overboard. the only direction those records make you turn the volume is UP. It's just a suggestion, but you may want to lay off of the midrange tweakage for a while. It seems like you zero in on a frequency and just turn that shit up til it hurts. You don't really have to do that - midrange is there. The mid 90's metal trend of scooping the midrange is dead, more or less. Mid range is a pretty dangerous frequency - it can screw up an otherwise listener friendly mix. Engage the listener, but don't piss them off. Not that I know what I'm talking about, it's just an observation. |
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What's the dynamic EQ doing? |
M Carter wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 21:00 |
I'm digging how the more we do these things, the better everyone's feedback seems to get in terms of critical listening ability. |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 01 September 2007 09:21 |
What I do agree with... sort of. (ChrisJ) Lay off the overboard mid tweaking. Find that amount that cuts. Instead of going with obnoxious to find that rock place... use volume and compression to get your point across. It can still jam and cut without making ears bleed. |
chrisj wrote on Thu, 30 August 2007 23:18 |
IMP14_DevinK_03: Wildly out of step with modern mix sounds |
- Devin
j.hall wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 08:01 |
man, i haven't even had time to listen to a single mix. working three records at the same time. (tracking drums/producing/directing overdubs) luckily the drummer today was solid and cut 9 songs in 4 hours. i actually get to see my family for a bit. |
Adam Miller wrote on Fri, 31 August 2007 12:05 |
...My first impression is that you might have some kind of monitoring issue- too much lowend? Your mix sounds a bit thin in the bass and lower mids,... |
Baddo wrote on Tue, 04 September 2007 00:40 |
Adam Miller Ok, I like this mix, it simply sounds great. Really like what you did with the sampled breaks. Great vocal sounds, drums sound great too... |
macbraddy wrote on Thu, 06 September 2007 15:52 | ||
Even still -- Thanks for your kind review (i think), chrisj. In fact -- Now that I've finally got a second -- Thank you all! These things are always highly educational. |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 06 September 2007 21:46 |
let's stay on topic......... sorry i haven't done reviews. i still haven't heard any mixes. |