Barry Hufker wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 14:08 |
I agree it's a strong reason. I just don't "get" who these people are. Where is their humanity, reason, compassion, common sense? It's hard to imagine such evil so blatantly displayed and so consistent in its performance. |
John Ivan wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 00:36 |
"Tax And Spend Liberal" |
Barry Hufker wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 20:32 |
But you're not including the emotional stress panties on your head can cause. I know. I've been there. And it wasn't pretty. |
Hallams wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 21:29 |
I know this seems like going back a few years but when the cold war ended it was an opportunity to "give peace a chance" That opportunity has been missed and the USA has lost a lot of goodwill internationally. It could have/should have displayed its "Leadership" in international affairs in a manner that made her people proud to be American. I feel the need to say i have no problem with the American people and really don't want to be involved in verbal bashing the US etc, but as you stated Barry, "i just don't get who these people are." |
mgod wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 15:54 |
In the modern US, the market rules all. And I mean ALL. (snip) But criminal behavior at the highest levels is an acceptable fact now here, as long as it doesn't interfere with profits. The ownership society that conservatives like to tout invites us to buy grains-of-sand-sized shares in the con-game, so that we too can benefit from our own evisceration and that of our brothers and sisters. This not democracy, it not representative government, it is not a republic - it is capitalism run free and in control of everything. Everything. DS |
Barry Hufker wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 21:56 |
Ah. Here's the quote of the day: ... terterrorism lawyer Jonathan Fredman told a group of military and intelligence officials ... “If the detainee dies, you’re doing it wrong.” |
Barry Hufker wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 20:51 |
I'm afraid you're right about the repetition of a destructive cycle the U.S. inflicts on the world - and itself. At this time, unlike Vietnam in the 70s, the general public couldn't care less. There is no draft so no one is afraid of being called up to fight this war. The war is in an "unseen" country fought by our "unseen" troops (although we all see these "I support the troops" stickers everywhere) with "unseen" casualties. In the U.S., if it isn't in your face it doesn't exist. So the government can do what it wants. And it does. |
mgod wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 15:54 |
In the modern US, the market rules all. And I mean ALL. (snip) But criminal behavior at the highest levels is an acceptable fact now here, as long as it doesn't interfere with profits. DS |
rankus wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 12:55 |
The problem is that it is the losers that get tried for war crimes... Probably the best (only?) reason for staying in the war from the admins perspective. As long as they don't lose the war..... |
Daniel Farris wrote on Fri, 20 June 2008 08:45 | ||
In *this* war, finding a definition for victory is hard enough. I can't imagine having to come up with a definition for defeat. DF |
rankus wrote on Fri, 20 June 2008 10:54 |
I can't believe the Supreme Court hasn't brought charges against the admin. Hopefully they will after the election? |
rankus wrote on Fri, 20 June 2008 10:54 |
Is there any US body that has enough clout to "get these guys"? |
Barry Hufker wrote on Fri, 20 June 2008 14:20 |
Bush will find a way to declare some sort of victory in Iraq before he leaves office. There is no "winning" as the situation is too complex. There is no "losing" as their is nothing to win. We have the government. Traditionally that's "winning" but this is indeed like Vietnam. The most you can do is stay even with the enemy. It is a civil war now. Various Iraqi factions can win amongst themselves by grabbing power but we can't. Iraqis don't want us there. Once we leave, all hell will break loose. Al Qaida will be defeated and some warlord will grab the government. |
mgod wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 15:54 | ||||
I suppose that depends on who was wearing them at the time.
In the modern US, the market rules all. And I mean ALL. We who live here are in the largest petri dish in history and a grand experiment is being conducted on us, with our earnings. We are rats in a maze here, but there is no goal in the maze, simply dead-ends where we find ourselves inundated with federally protected toxins at our own expense. Politics was called the art of compromise, but here it is simply, and in a way purely, about power. The Supreme Court is as corrupted by power as any other institution. The very thing that the last decent republican president warned us about has come to pass, as he predicted it would. Under any reasonably functioning government, Sandra Day O'Connor would be in prison now for betraying her oath and her country. But criminal behavior at the highest levels is an acceptable fact now here, as long as it doesn't interfere with profits. The ownership society that conservatives like to tout invites us to buy grains-of-sand-sized shares in the con-game, so that we too can benefit from our own evisceration and that of our brothers and sisters. This not democracy, it not representative government, it is not a republic - it is capitalism run free and in control of everything. Everything. DS |