Fenris Wulf. wrote on Sat, 22 April 2006 12:36 |
As a result of this and other experiences I instituted a policy of "no hip-hop or R&B." |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Sun, 30 April 2006 09:10 |
Hip-hop is more trouble than it's worth, because of the large number of "artists" who behave like criminals. The "thug" culture is so pervasive in hip-hop (and in R&B as well) that I want nothing to do with it. Anyone who can play an actual instrument is welcome. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Sun, 30 April 2006 09:10 |
Hip-hop is more trouble than it's worth, |
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because of the large number of "artists" who behave like criminals. The "thug" culture is so pervasive in hip-hop (and in R&B as well) that I want nothing to do with it. |
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Anyone who can play an actual instrument is welcome. |
smorgdonkey wrote on Sun, 30 April 2006 12:29 |
I agree with the no hip-hop thing...the 'rap/hip-hop culture' promotes violence and promotes devaluing the image of women in my opinion. The more someone is shot whether he survives or not is directly proportional to his popularity. The entire genre will have to vacate the following topics before I'll ever be able to give it any credibility: -I've got money -I've got hos ( or b*tches, or whatever other negative term ) -I'm the best ( on the mic, with the ladies, etc.) I don't think it's racist. The girl from the Black Eyed Peas is white and I think her lyrics and schtick are one of the worst ever. By the way, I'm slighly 'peach' coloured. |
Werewolf10 wrote on Sun, 30 April 2006 20:04 |
... Have you heard some of the 15yr old poetry that comes out of these 30 year old men?? ... |
Plush wrote on Mon, 01 May 2006 11:21 |
I know R. Kelly's going to jail. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Mon, 01 May 2006 18:36 |
Too many hip-hop artists are REAL criminals who commit REAL crimes and brag about it in their music. There's a line between artistic expression and REAL violence. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Mon, 01 May 2006 23:36 |
So I'm a racist and I ought to be sued. Thanks. |
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I don't do Christian Rock either, the music creeps me out and the labels are infamous for screwing you on payment. Are they gonna sue me too? Followed by the White Power bands and the National Association of People Who Don't Shower? |
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The right of free association includes the right to not associate with people, unfortunately this has been forgotten in the rush to criminalize behavior that doesn't fit your utopian ideas of social justice. |
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Too many hip-hop artists are REAL criminals who commit REAL crimes and brag about it in their music. There's a line between artistic expression and REAL violence. |
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If you record hip-hop, you are inviting criminals into your studio and putting yourself at risk to get robbed or attacked. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Wed, 03 May 2006 10:52 |
I considered asking Steve to delete this thread, |
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because the opinions I have expressed, using my real name, might conceivably be used in a bogus lawsuit against me (like Derrick Mosely threatened to do when I told him he was banned from my studio). |
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But no. Fuck that. I'm not going to hide from a santimonious liberal twit who wants to force everyone else to conform to his utopian ideas of social justice. |
electrical wrote on Sun, 30 April 2006 14:11 |
To defensively (generally) exclude hip hop sessions from your studio is ridiculous and smacks of racism. |
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Besides, hip-hop is not a "black only" genre. |
John Ivan wrote on Wed, 03 May 2006 02:08................It's just true. Sorry..............[/quote |
So there you have it folks, no need to continue debating this, more conclusive evidence has been dumped on us. Here are the most salient facts of these two highly scientific studies as presented by their authors: 1) Most or all of the people involved in Hip-Hop, Rap and R&B are criminals and thugs, and In Detroit (at least) most, or all, are also violent felons. They are involved in gangs, and they, and/or someone in their immediate group is always carrying an (illegal), concealed firearm. 2) Rap/Hip-Hop culture promotes violence and the devaluation of women in our society. 3) Most or all the people involved in the above mentioned (musical?) genres, can not play a musical instrument, and hence are not musicians. 4) Many studio sessions for these genres are payed for with drug money. In all cases, the drugs were sold to kids by young gangsters who violently protect their drug empires which include entire parts of American cities. 5) Although there are a few good people involved with these genres, the vast majority are bad people. 6) Rap/>Hip-Hop is more trouble than it's worth???........whatever the fuck that means. |
Vertigo wrote on Wed, 03 May 2006 11:55 |
Being in Atlanta, I'm pretty familiar with the goods and evils of taking on Hip-Hop clients. Not all Hip-Hop artists are violent drug dealing felons, of course. But a lot of them ARE... It's very tempting to take on their projects - you can easily make a couple of $k in a day just to record a couple of vocal tracks along to their beats. But you never know what element you're bringing into your studio. Being that my studio is in my home, I shy away from these projects as well, unless the artist is a personal friend of mine. I have a good friend who ran a Hip-Hop studio here that quit the business for good a few years ago. For what it's worth he's black/african american/whatever the politically correct term is these days. He had a lot going for him - he had a very talented young rapper that he'd just taken in, as well as a top notch beat writer. He was producing their project on spec and had a fair amount of money tied into it. One night he was working late when a group of men bashed the door down and broke in. They put a gun to his head, duct taped his eyes, mouth, hands, and legs, and put him face down in a bathtub while they robbed the place. And it turned out that the person who tipped these guys off to rob the place was the very same young rapper he'd taken under his wing. Not that this couldn't happen with a rock act, or even a christian act for that matter. But when you consider the content of the music and the fact that the best rap comes from the rappers that are the most sincere about the lyrics they're singing, well... I'd rather work on songs about flowers and kittens... -Lance |
Vertigo wrote on Wed, 03 May 2006 11:59 | ||
It is if you're talking about GOOD hip-hop Although there IS something addictive about Faf Larage... -Lance |
chris haines wrote on Tue, 09 May 2006 10:18 |
anybody have a link for the sex tape? |
Jason Phair wrote on Sun, 14 May 2006 18:54 |
Point someone made: "Rappers are and associate with violent people - working with them might get you robbed." Point made with same logic: "If you play guitar in a heavy metal band, you're going to get shot on stage" |
Jason Phair wrote on Sun, 14 May 2006 19:54 |
Point someone made: "Rappers are and associate with violent people - working with them might get you robbed." Point made with same logic: "If you play guitar in a heavy metal band, you're going to get shot on stage" |
Jason Phair wrote on Mon, 15 May 2006 00:54 |
Point someone made: "Rappers are and associate with violent people - working with them might get you robbed." Point made with same logic: "If you play guitar in a heavy metal band, you're going to get shot on stage" |
jimmyjazz wrote on Mon, 15 May 2006 04:15 | ||
Uh, what? Bad parallel, Jason. Doesn't work, much as you want it to. |
kraster wrote on Mon, 15 May 2006 19:41 | ||||
I think Jason's point is about the danger of making sweeping generalisations about anything. The unavoidable subtext put forward by certain individuals in this thread is that Rap Music is populated by dangerous and violent black people. The characterisation of a certain group of people having an inherently bad trait is known as prejudice. The implication that this is a race issue marks this prejudice as racist. It's true that a lot of Hip-Hop deals with and, in some cases promotes, issues that are violent and illegal but in a lot of cases these are simply reflections of the society that the Hip-Hop guys come from. And before somebody decides to take issue with the whole sexist angle of Rap Music I don't think good ol' Rock n' Roll is something that would stand up to much scrutiny as a beacon of moral fortitude in relation to women's role in society. This isn't a libertarian utopia point of view. Prejudice and the exclusion of people based on perceived threat will only reinforce the prejudices that people hold and that never helps any society progress. If there are individuals within any genre of music that behave in a socially unacceptable way whilst using your facilities, by all means, you are perfectly within your rights to get rid of them. But there's no need to tar everyone with the same brush. |
John Ivan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2006 03:44 |
I agree with what you say here and would like to point out again that I play a lot of music with Black people and have lived on and off in the inner city Black communities. I don't turn people away unless I have reason to believe that they are dangerous. I have also dealt with my fair share of dangerous white people and now live in the Latino end {north side} of Lansing.People are quite poor here too. I am pointing out a failure in our society. I feel that our minority communities have been left to rot and not enough has been done to educate poor people from every Race. The specific Problems I've seen up close have to do with young Gangs forming to sell drugs and protect their interests. This has to do with Money made from selling drugs,turning out Hookers, throwing huge parties and very cleverly stealing expensive things without being caught. This describes the typical Gang and they come in all stripes. There are white Gangs engaged in the same activities. As it turns out, many of these guys like to make RAP records and have a lot of money. Before it was "Hip" for white kids to emulate this culture, it was for the most part a black art form. It is also worth pointing out that Black people who headed off to university or started their own businesses were less likely to be interested in making RAP records.So, it was in many cases, young gang kids with a lot of money from the street making these records. Now that it's hip, everyone wants to do it. I simply am not a racist. I say this in case anyone get's this idea either from something I wrote or something someone else has written, or might write in the future. JI.............................. |
kraster wrote on Tue, 16 May 2006 13:21 |
I'm even more concerned with the policy of the media to persistently put the gangsta image forward as something for black people to aspire to. I don't see the record company execs in a hurry to offer an alternate view or aspiration. They merely exploit ghetto "glamour". Presenting it as some kind of life where women, drugs, and Cristal abound. |
jimmyjazz wrote on Tue, 16 May 2006 20:43 |
But that's the stereotype being promulgated by most mainstream rap & hiphop acts! It may not be an adequate characterization of ALL people working in that genre, but it's certainly the lyrical focus of a solid majority, and the visual focus of a solid majority of those who make videos. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Sat, 22 April 2006 07:36 |
Here's a tale of a scumbag posing as a musician ... I wonder if Steve or any other Chicagoans heard about this ... In 2000/2001, when I had a studio in the Chicago area, I did some recording and mixing for an R&B singer named Derrick Mosley. He never had any money on him, and kept promising to "pay me next time." |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Sat, 22 April 2006 07:36 |
He acted like a big-shot wheeler-dealer businessman, and he kept saying "I know R. Kelley." |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Sat, 22 April 2006 07:36 |
Finally, he ended up stranded at my studio because his current girlfriend/meal ticket got mad at him and wouldn't come to pick him up, and I had to drive him home to Gary, Indiana, which I did to get rid of him rather than have him hanging around. I was extremely pissed off and told him not to come back. I found the guy VERY creepy. As a result of this and other experiences I instituted a policy of "no hip-hop or R&B." |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Modern hip-hop has become COMPLETELY dominated by the "gangsta" style and this is true on every level from MTV to the street. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Gangsta rap has become insanely popular ... |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
I will record anyone who can play a musical instrument. That's my policy. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
You are a mindless, politically correct twit and I do not have to justify myself to you. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
The worst Derrick Mosely did was waste a few days of my time. I had no ill-will towards the guy, I kind of felt sorry for him because he was such a loser. That also goes for the former employer mentioned in my bio, who had serious mental problems. These were learning experiences. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
I know for a fact that a well-respected guy who posts here refuses to work with Christian Contemporary bands. In his experience, Christian labels are some of THE sleaziest people in the business and they think they have a right to stiff you on payment because they're doing "God's work." |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Why doncha go and accuse him of being a crypto-pagan devil worshipper who is plotting to bring back the Colloseum and throw Christians to the lions. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
In this business, you have to be a hard-ass or you will get RAPED by all the sleazebags out there and you will go bankrupt. |
Fenris Wulf. wrote on Thu, 18 May 2006 19:28 |
Get the stick out of your ass, get Dr. Dre's dick out of your mouth, and stop living in a utopian fantasy world. |
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I will record anyone who can play a musical instrument. That's my policy. |
jimmyjazz wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 01:14 |
Disregarding the fact that I know virtually jackshit about rap & hiphop, save a few CDs we all own, I see it as a typical risk/reward situation. What's the risk I'll have problems in the studio? What's the potential reward? (Certainly getting paid counts, but all my clients pay. Will I expand my horizons? That's cool. I like that. What else?) So tell me . . . what are the odds I will have loaded, concealed weapons in my studio if I record rap & hiphop in a major urban area like Atlanta, Houston, Detroit, LA, etc. What are those odds with punk/hard rock/metal? Country? Another issue, which might actually swing the pendulum in rap & hiphop's favor: what about drugs & search/seizure issues with the local cops? I'm not interested in losing my studio because some guy is doing 8-balls in the bathroom. Honest questions. Which genre is likely to bring artists to my studio who are armed? Doing narcotics? Having sex in the vocal booth? (Wait, that's not illegal, and it's already happened around here. Too many times, I might add. Clean up after yourself, assholes.) |
jimmyjazz wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 06:14 |
So tell me . . . what are the odds I will have loaded, concealed weapons in my studio if I record rap & hiphop in a major urban area like Atlanta, Houston, Detroit, LA, etc. What are those odds with punk/hard rock/metal? Country? |
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Another issue, which might actually swing the pendulum in rap & hiphop's favor: what about drugs & search/seizure issues with the local cops? I'm not interested in losing my studio because some guy is doing 8-balls in the bathroom. |
bacon skin wrote on Fri, 19 May 2006 11:12 |
I had a guy go into my bathroom, take careful aim, and piss right the fuck into the corner onto the floor. DF |
rankus wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 23:09 |
LOL I had a BLIND punk rocker in once who got shitfaced drunk and when he went to the bathroom,,, well let's just say he used hearing to detect when he was hitting the toilet..... |