j.hall wrote on Mon, 23 August 2010 15:42 |
is this an isolated occurrence? i certainly hope other schools are teaching something useful.... |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 24 August 2010 21:01 |
here's the short of it, at least what i personally think should be "graduate" level PT knowledge. 1. beat detective. you might not be a "master", but i certainly expect you to know what it is, how it works, how to work it, and be comfortable doing so. 1a. a complete bonus is someone that can beat detect on the tuplet feel. 2. comping multiple takes of things into one "take" without clicks and pops and/or bad edits. when i ask this of someone i ALWAYS give them a road map. i.e. my notes on what takes i liked as i heard them. 3. fixing timing problems. i.e. acoustic guitar is a touch off in one bar, i expect an assistant to know how to fix that. there are a few different ways of doing it, and i couldn't care less which is used as long as it sounds right. 4. working with samples. a basic understanding of the implementation of drum samples. |
CWHumphrey wrote on Tue, 24 August 2010 01:09 |
For that matter, I mention markers almost every day, and yet so few cue points actually get laid into sessions. I've resigned myself to the fact that in the real world, when the heat is on, they'll either figure out how to move fast or they won't (several impatient people I've worked for come to mind). School can't teach common sense! |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 24 August 2010 21:01 |
here's the short of it, at least what i personally think should be "graduate" level PT knowledge. 1. beat detective. you might not be a "master", but i certainly expect you to know what it is, how it works, how to work it, and be comfortable doing so. 1a. a complete bonus is someone that can beat detect on the tuplet feel. 2. comping multiple takes of things into one "take" without clicks and pops and/or bad edits. when i ask this of someone i ALWAYS give them a road map. i.e. my notes on what takes i liked as i heard them. 3. fixing timing problems. i.e. acoustic guitar is a touch off in one bar, i expect an assistant to know how to fix that. there are a few different ways of doing it, and i couldn't care less which is used as long as it sounds right. 4. working with samples. a basic understanding of the implementation of drum samples. |
audio~geek wrote on Sat, 02 October 2010 16:19 | ||
This stuff was definitely covered by my school Metalworks Institute (Canada). Our third semester of PT classes focused on Beat detective and Autotune. I think it's kinda weird he doesn't know that stuff after a year of school. It all comes with practice though. I didn't get really good at Beat detective until people started sending me drums to clean up. When I interned my PT skills didn't matter. Any time I solved a problem for the engineer it seemed like I was showing off somehow. Here's an example - band was used to a certain kind of metronome sound. The standard PT clicks didn't work because they wanted something with a tone that was longer. The guys getting paid had no clue what to do. I suggested signal generator and gate sidechained to the click. Exactly what the band wanted and I was told I wasn't allowed in the session the next day. |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 24 August 2010 21:01 |
here's the short of it, at least what i personally think should be "graduate" level PT knowledge. 1. beat detective. you might not be a "master", but i certainly expect you to know what it is, how it works, how to work it, and be comfortable doing so. 1a. a complete bonus is someone that can beat detect on the tuplet feel. 2. comping multiple takes of things into one "take" without clicks and pops and/or bad edits. when i ask this of someone i ALWAYS give them a road map. i.e. my notes on what takes i liked as i heard them. 3. fixing timing problems. i.e. acoustic guitar is a touch off in one bar, i expect an assistant to know how to fix that. there are a few different ways of doing it, and i couldn't care less which is used as long as it sounds right. 4. working with samples. a basic understanding of the implementation of drum samples. |
TRJanuary wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 07:38 |
Haha, so there is something lower than a turd-polisher. |
Fig wrote on Tue, 12 October 2010 10:42 |
I'll take an assistant that can cal a tape machine and keep his mouth shut over ANY amount of software knowledge in ANY virtual environment. |
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You hired him and you expected HIM to teach you a trick or two? |
audio~geek wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 00:19 | ||
This stuff was definitely covered by my school Metalworks Institute (Canada). Our third semester of PT classes focused on Beat detective and Autotune. I think it's kinda weird he doesn't know that stuff after a year of school. It all comes with practice though. I didn't get really good at Beat detective until people started sending me drums to clean up. |