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Title: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: hargerst on December 17, 2009, 03:35:00 PM

Here's the link:

http://trident-audio.com/hg3.html

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: fiasco ( P.M.DuMont ) on December 17, 2009, 04:11:46 PM

If they sound as good as the concept and the looks, they'll be a winner.
$What will they street for?$

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: hargerst on December 17, 2009, 04:39:18 PM

They do sound as good as they look.  Not sure about the prices yet.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: Barry Hufker on December 17, 2009, 06:57:23 PM

Will "free" be a possible price?  If so, I could manage to save up for that.



Didn't think so...

Barry

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: seedyunderbelly.com on December 19, 2009, 06:50:41 AM

fail-  usually things are bad  we can wait to see if this is an exception--except the hgr who heard them  i disregard any eval..

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: hargerst on December 19, 2009, 12:08:07 PM

Uh, George Augspurger doesn't lend his name to other people's speakers (he makes a few of his own) unless they're pretty damn good.

Ed Cherney is mixing on them right now and says they have the best imaging of any speaker he's ever heard.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: Greg Youngman on December 20, 2009, 11:30:08 AM

hargerst wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 09:08

Uh, George Augspurger doesn't lend his name to other people's speakers (he makes a few of his own) unless they're pretty damn good. Ed Cherney is mixing on them right now and says they have the best imaging of any speaker he's ever heard.

It's hard for me to believe that a system could have better imaging than a dual-concentric.  It also seems that the movable HF section would mess with the time alignment.  I don't believe in global warming either.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: Hank Alrich on December 20, 2009, 11:50:48 AM

Greg Youngman wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 08:30

hargerst wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 09:08 Uh, George Augspurger doesn't lend his name to other people's speakers (he makes a few of his own) unless they're pretty damn good. Ed Cherney is mixing on them right now and says they have the best imaging of any speaker he's ever heard. It's hard for me to believe that a system could have better imaging than a dual-concentric.  It also seems that the movable HF section would mess with the time alignment.  I don't believe in global warming either.

Once you add a sub to a dual-concentric system, it's no longer concentric, whatever any of us believe. Heaven forbid <heh> science should interfere with my beliefs!

The proof is in the hearing, and I'd like to hear these. The folks saying good things about them are not exactly beginners, and I doubt any of them would just start shilling for Harvey.

(If you don't believe in global warming, would you please get on with restoring the snowpack in the Sierra Nevada? I'd like that a lot. It's how we water the orchard. Thanks.)

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: Greg Youngman on December 22, 2009, 11:33:50 AM

Who said anything about adding a sub?

And, you can probably thank the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service for imposing water reductions like they did in the San Joaquin Valley to protect the delta smelt.  Get your government out of the way and nature will take care of it.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: hargerst on December 22, 2009, 11:41:01 AM

Greg Youngman wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 10:30

It's hard for me to believe that a system could have better imaging than a dual-concentric.  It also seems that the movable HF section would mess with the time alignment.

Actually, the imaging goes up since there's no smearing from the low end sound or edge diffraction.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: Greg Youngman on December 22, 2009, 04:11:10 PM

hargerst wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 08:41

Greg Youngman wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 10:30 It's hard for me to believe that a system could have better imaging than a dual-concentric.  It also seems that the movable HF section would mess with the time alignment. Actually, the imaging goes up since there's no smearing from the low end sound or edge diffraction.

How can a movable/rotatable MF/HF section not affect that, plus time coherence?

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: hargerst on December 23, 2009, 12:08:17 AM

hargerst wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 18:19

Greg Youngman wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 15:11 hargerst wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 08:41 Greg Youngman wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 10:30 It's hard for me to believe that a system could have better imaging than a dual-concentric.  It also seems that the movable HF section would mess with the time alignment. Actually, the imaging goes up since there's no smearing from the low end sound or edge diffraction. How can a movable/rotatable MF/HF section not affect that, plus time coherence?

Since the entire MF/HF section rotates about the central axis of the cylinder, the actual voice coils of each speaker move coherently and stay in alignment.  Time coherence? Try moving even slightly off axis with a dual-concentric speaker and see what happens. And dual-concentrics still suffer from edge diffraction effects.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: Greg Youngman on December 23, 2009, 04:11:53 PM

hargerst wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 21:08

hargerst wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 18:19 Greg Youngman wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 15:11 hargerst wrote on Tue, 22 December 2009 08:41 Greg Youngman wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 10:30 It's hard for me to believe that a system could have better imaging than a dual-concentric.  It also seems that the movable HF section would mess with the time alignment. Actually, the imaging goes up since there's no smearing from the low end sound or edge diffraction. How can a movable/rotatable MF/HF section not affect that, plus time coherence? Since the entire MF/HF section rotates about the central axis of the cylinder, the actual voice coils of each speaker move coherently and stay in alignment.  Time coherence? Try moving even slightly off axis with a dual-concentric speaker and see what happens. And dual-concentrics still suffer from edge diffraction effects.

I would have to go back and read some of my AES publications to intelligently argue my point.  Publications, that along with my personal listening experience made me a believer in dual-concentric designs.  But, at the end of the day, one may also argue that there is no perfect speaker system, or microphone, or anything else.  They're just tools.  I hope to be able to hear the Tridents some day.

By the way, Harvey, Merry Christmas!

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: hargerst on December 23, 2009, 07:41:47 PM

Greg Youngman wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 15:11

I would have to go back and read some of my AES publications to intelligently argue my point.  Publications, that along with my personal listening experience made me a believer in dual-concentric designs.  But, at the end of the day, one may also argue that there is no perfect speaker system, or microphone, or anything else.  They're just tools.  I hope to be able to hear the Tridents some day. By the way, Harvey, Merry Christmas!

And to you as well, Greg.

Yes, some of this speaker design stuff is esoteric, and some of it is art (with maybe a pinch of Black Magic), sprinkled heavily with "marketing BS."  I know; I've been designing speakers for over 50 years now.  You'd think I'd know better by now, but I think I'm getting closer, thanks, in part, to Thiele and Small.  Getting George Augspurger's endorsement meant a great deal to me.

Dual-concentric designs have a lot going for them, but there are a few drawbacks to them, especially for near field speakers.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: thedoc on December 29, 2009, 01:27:29 PM

Hope they are on display at Jan NAMM.

Title: Re: Finally, Trident has a page about their new monitors.
Post by: hargerst on December 29, 2009, 01:58:41 PM

Yes, I'll be in Booth 6890, Hall A.

And for anyone going to the show, bring a CD of something you're very familiar with, so you can really hear what these speakers are capable of.

I'm planning on bringing a wide selection of CD's, ranging from classical to rock to country to blues to hiphop and pop, plus anything else I can think of.

But hopefully, you know your own music best, so I encourage you to listen to your own material.