Barry Hufker wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 14:17 |
Being from STL, I'd like to think we're representative of the rest of the state - but we're not. Get outside the cities and it is a different country. Obama needs Missouri's small towns. He already has the cities. |
jimlongo wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 11:36 |
just wanted to share this amazing photo |
RSettee wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 12:44 |
Photos like this are evidence that the US is on the right track. |
PookyNMR wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 14:38 | ||
No. It's just that there are plenty of folks who are choosing the lesser of two evils. |
PookyNMR wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 15:38 | ||
No. It's just that there are plenty of folks who are choosing the lesser of two evils. |
MDM, wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 17:36 |
barry, intelligence is not beneficial for a politician, necessarily.. being stong-willed pragmatic and uncorruptable to me are more productive traits. intelligence and charm are good qualities, but when you look at what's missing in politics, it's not technical ability.. |
jimlongo wrote on Sun, 19 October 2008 05:07 |
A crowd of 100,00 (police estimate) turned out to hear Obama in St Louis today, Kansas City tonight. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/obam a_draws_record_crowd_in_st.html http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/100000_people.ht ml?showall |
Hallams wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 17:51 | ||
You would need a good PA system to cover that crowd! |
Hallams wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 17:51 | ||
You would need a good PA system to cover that crowd! |
brian harrison wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 18:55 |
I'm totally with Barry on this. as big of a drag as it is to see the day to day activities of the government brought to a crawl so that we can see real justice happen. bush and crew really fit the definition of war criminals and all the spineless pussies that voted for him should twist on satan's rotisserie for eternity. pride cometh before a fall and there isn't an ounce of shame from anyone that ive met or known personally that voted for these satanic cock gargling assholes. i used to think they were just misinformed but now i know that they are just idiots and that is being unkind to the average run of the mill village idiot. oh well viva la revolution and we are about 8 years late getting started. peace, love, off with their heads. brian |
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The author added that laws such as the Military Commissions Act of 2006 were consciously designed to protect current President Bush and his co-conspirators from being indicted for war crimes, harking back to Prescott Bush's history. "The family history is that you can make so much money uniting corporate interests with a fascist state that violently represses people, that's why when I saw the recycling of so much Nazi language, Nazi tactics, Nazi strategies, Nazi imagery in the Bush White House and then finally belatedly people brought to me this history of Prescott Bush's attempted coup and Smedley Butler's revelations - it gives me absolute chills," said Wolf. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 19:00 |
Intelligence is truly something you don't see very often in politics. But Obama is not going to want to prosecute Bush and Company. He is not going to prosecute War Profiteers. He will initiate and pass important legislation, but he's going to slide on crimes against the people - and if I'm right about that, I won't forgive him for it. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Sun, 19 October 2008 12:53 |
Jim, Prosecuting Bush and Co. is not about revenge. It is about the Constitution, the separation of powers and preserving the country. You can not let Bush, Cheney, et al. commit crimes against the Constitution and go unpunished without setting a precedent allowing those crimes in the future. The next president who decides to be as abusive as Bush will use the argument that those powers existed previously and will push the abuse even further - that's only human nature. The time to push things back into proper balance is now, should Obama become president. That's why I won't forgive him if he doesn't. He and his administration will have condoned such behavior. |
jimlongo wrote on Sun, 19 October 2008 12:01 | ||
I just think that introducing laws to limit those excesses would be better pushback than prosecuting crimes which would be seen as overtly political. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Sun, 19 October 2008 23:59 |
Jim, There are already such laws, that's why I want them arrested. NO ONE is above the law. And there is great reason to believe many in the Bush Administration, including the President and Vice-President are guilty of many things, including treason. You don't sweep that under the rug just because it isn't convenient. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 13:17 |
Being from STL, I'd like to think we're representative of the rest of the state - but we're not. Get outside the cities and it is a different country. Obama needs Missouri's small towns. He already has the cities. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 15:08 |
I read about 20 postings at your link and then I had to quit. There's a lot of ignorance and the twisted there. Very scary. |
Larrchild wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 13:42 |
What exactly does it take? |
Larrchild wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 15:42 |
The perverse question is, how much financial hardship and loss of their sons and daughters will it take for these 4-bit processors to understand that they are feeding the hand that bites them? |
Larrchild wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 15:57 |
Doesn't leave much for error-correction, does it? |
John Ivan wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 16:14 |
I admit I'm on the fence.. I want them to be held accountable. I really do.. But this would need to take place with the seriosness and calmness that Obama brings to the table, but HE would not be the guy turning the key on this thing. In other words, the only thing that should ever be said about it should directly relate to the Law of the land, and NOT to any partisan points being made. If we can find agreement with some serious republicans in the House to move this forward, it would be very helpful. I believe there are republicans in both the House and Senate who understand the implications of allowing these crimes to be swept under the rug. There is either bipartisan agreement that Law and Order matters, or there is not. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 11:13 |
An Obama Administration is indeed the next one in power (Lord willing). The move towards impeachment (which can happen after one is out of office as "impeachment" means "calling into question" as well as "a crime against the state")actually starts in the House of Representatives. But for complete success in this case, this effort will also need the Senate and the President's blessing or else it will be sidetracked. And yes, it would be the Department of Justice which would investigate. That's why currently there is no investigation into all sorts of Republican crimes. |
Barry Hufker wrote on Mon, 20 October 2008 21:34 |
Kucinich and Wexler will keep pushing the impeachment agenda. I've been financially supporting Cindy Sheehan in her run against Nancy Pelosi. If you recall it is Pelosi who took impeachment "off the table". I'm not sure Cindy will win, but Pelosi is certainly concerned... |
Hallams wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 15:51 | ||
You would need a good PA system to cover that crowd! |