SafeandSound wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 07:10 |
I have personally found Firwire (possibly as a PC user) to be a annoying and unreliable connection, both physically and electrically/data wise. |
Al
Post by: Allen Corneau on February 24, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
We hook up FW drives to the Sadie all the time. Other than the typical non-PC format issue, no problems here. Post by: Jerry Tubb on February 24, 2011, 11:39:32 AM No big hurry to change. I've had a Sata PCI card sitting in my shop for over a year, waiting to be installed in one of our Mac DAWs, can't find the motivation as the FW800 is so speedy and reliable. I do remember reading about LightPeak around a year ago, sounds interesting for moving around huge amounts of data. We only use USB for peripherals such as iLoks, mouses and keyboards. Cheers, JT Post by: Tim Boyce on February 24, 2011, 12:36:26 PM http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/24/first_look_ins ide_apples_fast_new_thunderbolt_port_on_macbook_pros.html ... still the same problem as Firewire .. NO locking connector! (they could at least put a magnet on it like the power supply). Post by: Dale Francis on February 25, 2011, 11:53:13 AM Post by: Tomas Danko on February 27, 2011, 07:50:18 AM
Exactly. Light Peak was the code name for the project during development. It's Thunderbolt now, and first out is copper and not optical. Post by: Tim Boyce on February 28, 2011, 02:26:37 PM http://www.tidbits.com/article/11993 "Thunderbolt’s Blasts -- Thunderbolt is a fascinating mix of old and new: Despite what the tech spec pages say, Apple’s version of Thunderbolt has up to 20 Gbps available in each direction (full duplex), not 10 Gbps. While the Thunderbolt specification talks about 10 Gbps to and from a host, Apple’s version incorporates two channels over the same cable: one is apparently dedicated to DisplayPort for video, and the other for PCI Express data. This allows raw throughput up to 20 Gbps and reportedly a substantial fraction of that in true throughput in each direction. This amount of bandwidth would let you run two high-resolution displays (which require bandwidth in the gigabits-per-second range) and a super-fast RAID drive (demonstrated by Promise Technology) or multiple drives that can work at full speed. On the new MacBook Pros, Thunderbolt manages both the internal screen and an optional external display, which is why you can’t drive two external displays. On a future Mac Pro or Mac mini that won’t be an issue, nor will it be a limitation on a future iMac, as long as it provides multiple Thunderbolt ports. Because Thunderbolt provides two channels on the same cable, a display or hard drive can be in the middle of the daisy chain without interrupting the flow of the other channel. Target Disk Mode is supported under Thunderbolt. Until now, this mode only worked over FireWire connections. When a Mac is booted in Target Disk Mode, it acts as a hard drive for another connected Mac. You won’t be able to boot a Mac (yet) from a Thunderbolt-connected drive, unlike with USB and FireWire. Andy Ihnakto has this factoid, and I tend to trust him. I will be surprised if this isn’t added later. We need a way to boot from external drives, and if Thunderbolt eventually takes over from FireWire, then it has to boot Macs, too. While Thunderbolt is backward-compatible with DisplayPort, and the connector uses the same 20 pins as DisplayPort, you can’t use a DisplayPort cable to run a Thunderbolt connection. You can use a DisplayPort cable, with an existing Mini DisplayPort-to-DisplayPort adapter, to connect a DisplayPort monitor to a Thunderbolt port, and you can also use a Thunderbolt cable with any of the existing DisplayPort adapters. The Thunderbolt controller automatically adjusts the signal output to be correct for DisplayPort-native ports on the other end. The Thunderbolt port carries 10 watts of power, a significant amount for powering drives and other peripherals (though nowhere near enough to drive a large external display). Apple’s hardware with a single FireWire 400 or 800 port (or one of each) can deliver 7 watts to the bus. USB 2.0 can push out a maximum of 2.5 watts, while USB 3.0 can hit 4.5 watts. Apple’s high-power USB 2.0 can generate 5.5 watts, which is enough to charge an iPad while it’s plugged in and in use. Thunderbolt devices can also boost power downstream: an AC-powered display could push 10 watts out the port on the “far” side from the computer in the daisy chain. (Apple’s external iPad USB-to-AC charger is rated at 10 watts, but it’s just a USB plug connected to power, not a data connection.) Thunderbolt will allow splitters and other baroque configurations of adapters, Apple told me. For instance, you could have a DisplayPort adapter with two Thunderbolt ports for daisy chaining. Apple has no plans to discuss here, but there’s clearly room for a robust market of cables, hubs, adapters, and other elements to make it easier to use legacy video standards. It should be possible to build Thunderbolt-to-eSATA and Thunderbolt-to-FireWire adapters that enable connectivity with older gear that you already own." Post by: Table Of Tone on March 02, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
Absolutely right! FW400 and FW800 are great on Macs but definitely not great on the PC, especially Win7! Post by: Jerry Tubb on March 02, 2011, 11:35:22 AM http://blog.mixonline.com/mixblog/2011/02/24/meet-thunderbol t/ http://blog.mixonline.com/mixblog/2011/02/28/apogee-announce s-product-development-for-thunderbolt/ Looks promising and not platform biased, although Apple is already on it. http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html#thunderbolt JT |