Post by: breathe on December 17, 2010, 09:31:34 AM
Best,
Nicholas
Post by: pete andrews on December 17, 2010, 02:22:32 PM
tape and a sharpie?
the follow up question is:
why do you need to ask this kind of question?
-pete
Post by: Seb Riou on December 17, 2010, 02:50:26 PM
Post by: 0dbfs on December 17, 2010, 03:04:06 PM
best,
j
Post by: Sean Eldon Qualls on December 17, 2010, 03:09:38 PM
| pete andrews wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 14:22 |
the follow up question is: why do you need to ask this kind of question? -pete |
Maybe his walls stopped listening.
Post by: Tom L on December 17, 2010, 08:13:57 PM
Some have designation strips built in. In which case I would expected the mfr has a label program or template you can get from their website.
If not, and if space allows, put a 1RU blank panel above and below the patch panel. That'll give you a spot to land labels and in the process, allow some cable clearance inside the rack...if you like that sort of thing.
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Post by: CWHumphrey on December 19, 2010, 03:11:25 PM
Cheers,
Post by: ssltech on December 19, 2010, 04:46:43 PM
This patchbay:
Printed with Excel.
-Wired thus:
Here's another:
..Up close:
From this room:
More info:
http://www.prodigy-pro.com/diy/index.php?topic=18481
Post by: Seb Riou on December 19, 2010, 04:57:49 PM
you're killing me Keith
Nice wiring job !
Post by: zakco on December 20, 2010, 01:32:17 AM
| 0dbfs wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 12:04 |
if you got the redco db-25 to tt bays they also have a template on their site |
When I printed from that template, it almost lined up with the actual jacks...close enough to use, but sloppy IMO. Not sure if was a printer problem on my end or if it's just the template...anyone else notice that?
Z
Post by: zakco on December 20, 2010, 01:42:24 AM
| pete andrews wrote on Fri, 17 December 2010 11:22 |
why do you need to ask this kind of question? |
http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/f/28/1101/
Have a look at the middle column the one called "by"...that should clear things up a bit...
Post by: drknob on December 20, 2010, 11:20:37 AM
Post by: marcel on December 20, 2010, 12:10:41 PM
What sort of facility is that second room you show in the photos?
Post by: leonardo valvassori on December 20, 2010, 12:23:50 PM
| ssltech wrote on Sun, 19 December 2010 16:46 |
From this room: This patchbay: Printed with Excel. -Wired thus: Here's another: ..Up close: From this room: More info: http://www.prodigy-pro.com/diy/index.php?topic=18481 |
Now that is a beautiful wiring job mate.
Reposted out of respect.
And don't think I didn't notice those lovely little Langevin EQ's.
Must be a very nice facility.
Post by: ssltech on December 20, 2010, 02:48:57 PM
| marcel wrote on Mon, 20 December 2010 12:10 |
Keith, please forgive the dumb question from the never-dun-nuthin-but-recordin-the-rock-bands guy, but... What sort of facility is that second room you show in the photos? |
Film dubbing stage machine room.
-This is the stage itself:
-I was just in there a half-hour ago... power supply failure killed a pair of fader motor drive boards. -First major failure we've had on that Harrison board in about 7 years.
Keith
Post by: MI on December 20, 2010, 03:52:13 PM
| ssltech wrote on Sun, 19 December 2010 16:46 |
From this room: |
Cotton or Kleenex stuffed in the Dynaudio's Bass Port?
MI
Post by: pete andrews on December 20, 2010, 03:59:33 PM
-pete
Post by: ssltech on December 20, 2010, 05:06:01 PM
| MI wrote on Mon, 20 December 2010 15:52 |
Cotton or Kleenex stuffed in the Dynaudio's Bass Port? MI |
Acoustic wadding.
Not my idea, but the fellow who owns the Dynaudios likes what it does. -I've never bothered to listen to see if it's worthwhile or not... I'm not overly fond of the HF character of the active Dynaudios.
Keith
Post by: OOF! on December 20, 2010, 06:42:08 PM
Pete-- thanks for the hilarity. I'm with you.
David
Post by: marcel on December 21, 2010, 12:06:02 AM
| ssltech wrote on Mon, 20 December 2010 11:48 |
Film dubbing stage machine room. |
So in such a facility, patching is done in the machine room? I'll hazard a guess that the patching there is initial setup/routing stuff, not the 'which compressor am I going to use on the vocal' routine that I associate with a PB?
Thanks.
Post by: Bubba#$%Kron on December 21, 2010, 01:38:01 AM
| ssltech wrote on Sun, 19 December 2010 13:46 |
From this room: This patchbay: Printed with Excel. -Wired thus: Here's another: ..Up close: From this room: More info: http://www.prodigy-pro.com/diy/index.php?topic=18481 |
Post by: Dominick on December 21, 2010, 02:43:23 AM
| marcel wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 00:06 | ||
So in such a facility, patching is done in the machine room? I'll hazard a guess that the patching there is initial setup/routing stuff, not the 'which compressor am I going to use on the vocal' routine that I associate with a PB? Thanks. |
Correct.
Patchbays in both the control room & machine room
Machine room bay handles sends/returns of the console to/from recorders & tie lines to other rooms.
Control room patchbay handles extrernal processors (compresseors, eqs etc.)
Post by: ssltech on December 21, 2010, 08:21:54 AM
Basically since the early days, the way that you 'hang' a session (which machines appear on which channels) is an enormous routing job; historically handled by the same fellow who was employed to shift film and mag stock on sprockets. ('Hanging' a dub is analogous to setting up the I/O routing in Pro-Tools, or plugging up a WALL of synchronized analog multitracks in music mixing)
There are tielines to the control room patchbay, and some local stuff is available there, most specifically for being able to insert rental/'sudden inspiration' gear... although in this particular system, everything is normalled to converters which then feed a digital router. -Patching is pretty limited, although the ABILITY to connect pretty much anything to anything else is important... and the opportunity for a FAST work-around to problems is VITAL.
-The Machine room operators whom I've seen in London were all the best-read and most up-to-date fellas, because they spent most of the day after the initial setup reading the newspaper, waiting for the intercom to crackle into life...
-The intercom setup in that facility is pretty awesome, if I do say so myself. -The console has talkback mics at each of the three mix positions (Music, dialog, FX) and three meterbridge speakers; one at each position. Each person has a talkback button to the machine room and another one to the projection booth. -Talkback comes from amplified speakers integrated unobtrusively into the ceiling. Scattered around the machine room racks are talkback 'return' points, with a gooseneck mic and push-to-talk buttons for each of the mix positions. -The last person to call that room is indicated by a flashing LED in the button (which remains flashing after they release their button), so you know WHICH one of them was talking to you... even if you're not familiar with the voices. -When replying, the machine room operator can (from ANY location) see who spoke last, and reply to THAT person alone (via the meterbridge speaker) or to all three. -In addition, there's also a rack-mounted assignable trilogy talkback panel behind them, right above the patchbay in the control room rack. -more 'private' conversations can be handled over a headset if needed...
There's also a 'batphone' for conversations which HAVE to have a certain amount of privacy... like "Don't tell the producer that someone just scratched his Maserati... Keep him occupied and distracted, the guy from the body shop is heading over here RIGHT AWAY and will have the invisible repair completed in about 90 minutes.... If the producer can't be prevented from going into the car park, you HAVE to give me 45 seconds warning, so I can start running!" -or stuff like that.
Keef
Post by: 0dbfs on December 21, 2010, 03:53:45 PM
| ssltech wrote on Tue, 21 December 2010 08:21 |
There's also a 'batphone' for conversations which HAVE to have a certain amount of privacy... like "Don't tell the producer that someone just scratched his Maserati... Keep him occupied and distracted, the guy from the body shop is heading over here RIGHT AWAY and will have the invisible repair completed in about 90 minutes.... If the producer can't be prevented from going into the car park, you HAVE to give me 45 seconds warning, so I can start running!" -or stuff like that. Keef |
Nice!
Does that repair come out of petty cash or is the body shop on speed-dial with 90-day-terms?
Best,
j
Post by: marcel on December 21, 2010, 04:47:03 PM
I've always been somewhat in awe of film audio production, mostly because of the sheer size and complexity of a film mix. Especially stunning to me is the thought that this huge task was, at one point in history, undertaken by hand (sans automation), from synchronized tape machines and film projector. Coming from the music world, this just blows my mind.
Post by: J.J. Blair on December 21, 2010, 05:59:17 PM
Post by: ssltech on December 21, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
The added advantage is that Excel can do twin-line (e.g. 'upper and lower level') work very well, as both you and I both seem to like to do that. -It can also 'merge' cells and auto-center or left-justify or whatever, for the upper lines. -Plus it can color the cells for you, and make the boundaries super-crisp and auto-aligned.
Also, you can see how you have the option to have black lines (of a user-selectable weight) defining color boundaries, or just color boundaries. -Examples of both are visible in the above example.
-If you would like me to make you a template in Excel and email it to you, all I'd need is to know the distance (in whatever units you care to throw at me) from the CENTER of the first equally-spaced-hole to the CENTER of the last equally-spaced-hole, and how many holes that represents. (e.g. 26 holes, if there's a space in the middle, or 52 holes if there's no gap).
Now we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.
-Oh, also, what's the HEIGHT of the strip (in any given unit: mm/inches etc.)
Excel works better than ANY of the other things, because you can custom-blend and merge cells on a completely flexible basis.
Keith
Post by: thedoc on December 26, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
Post by: plughead on January 01, 2011, 02:32:26 PM
Post by: ssltech on January 01, 2011, 02:51:37 PM
Considering your avatar, that's a high compliment!
A few months ago, I created and wired up a patchbay for one of those new Malcolm Toft consoles; I think it was a 5x96-point TT patchbay.
I did all the prep work up here but forgot to print the labels out. -When I got down there I simply had my wife email me the excel files and was able to color-print them out down there.
Of course, the pre-looming was all done before I drove it down there (in a hatchback, along with a large flightcased rack of outboard) and so it was pretty much all a question of unload from the car, plug it in, loom it off (and dress the cable with cable ties) then test and sign off.
I have a method for wiring it neatly as well... it's really just a question of patience and attention to detail. Once you are familiar with the method for doing it neatly, it just takes time and patience.
Keith