Fibes wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 15:26 |
Dave, I'm not sure this is very new. I remember the cutting of endless verses, chorus' and whatever on 2" and the "best" stuff getting spliced up. Today it's easier than ever and yes in the quest for Hyper-reality the linear process of recording is being thrown away. That said, my best/favorite projects were done live/all at once or with minor overbubs. People are cheating and that's why i stopped going (blind) to concerts because most of the bands just don't cut it. |
DivideByZero wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 15:29 |
That all said (poorly) there are certain songs, then there are certain productions. I say it depends on the song. I am upset about country music productions. I like Hank Williams. M |
bilco wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 16:02 |
I noticed that on a U2 cut recently; it seemed like they started out fairly unplugged with a subtly brushed snare and acoustic guitars, then by the end, there's a full kit and the band is a veritable Wall 'O Guitars. You don't realize it's amping up because it's pretty gradual. That is fine if you're U2 and you can come close to pulling it off live.. |
Dave Martin wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 18:03 |
But then, it seems that a lot of my all time favorite records were live recordings - Humble Pie's "Rockin' the Fillmore", The Meters "Live on the Queen Mary", Deep Purple's "Live In Japan", Ella Fitzgerald in Berlin... I LIKE great live performances. |
compasspnt wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 19:57 |
HP drummer was Jerry Shirley. Nice guy; worked with him once. PS: Marriot was awesome! |
DivideByZero wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 20:31 |
This thread is not about food. I have 30 days in my playlist. M |
Revolution wrote on Sat, 17 December 2005 20:48 |
Well to me cheeting is almost every live album since Thin Lizzy's Live and Dangerous album. Why do bands release live albums/DVD's when everything but the drums are overdubbed. |
maxim wrote on Fri, 16 December 2005 23:42 |
i reckon, anything goes as long as they don't simultaneously prick the ballon of suspension of disbelief which, is what, i guess you (dave) are talking about another question, is would it be the same if you didn't have engineers ears? |
hargerst wrote on Sat, 17 December 2005 10:17 |
Seems to me that we're talking about two different groups of people here. To make an analogy (God, I love analogies), it's like a conversations between a photographer (realism) and an artist (impressions). Both camps have valid points and it's possible to appreciate both disciplines on their own merits. I enjoy looking at Ansel Adams prints, but I enjoy Van Gogh too. Both very different interpretations of the world around them. Seems like a similar situation here. We can record something in the studio that can be played live (photograph), or we can create a sonic painting (art) which can only be enjoyed on the medium used (a CD in this case) and never intended for live performance. In this instance Dave, you're really asking if it's okay that the artist uses a different color blue for the sky. I'd say, fine - if that's how the artist wants us to see the sky. With all the new tools at our disposal, I'm not sure where we fit in these days; part photographer, but at times, artistic collaborators as well. |
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Others had pop hits and therefor got bigger - Hey Zepplin had Good Times Bad Times on POP radio, but nobody had a better live show than Humble Pie. |
compasspnt wrote on Sat, 17 December 2005 23:32 |
Which would you rather hear by The Beatles... Twist And Shout or Strawberry Fields? |
hargerst wrote on Sat, 17 December 2005 12:17 |
In this instance Dave, you're really asking if it's okay that the artist uses a different color blue for the sky. I'd say, fine - if that's how the artist wants us to see the sky. |
Dave Martin wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 02:09 |
Twist and Shout. Err... does that make me a bad person? |
maxim wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 03:29 |
really, twist and shout? i guess you must be a naturalist you do work in nashville, right? |
bilco wrote on Sun, 18 December 2005 08:30 |
Joni Mitchell Miles of Aisles: All of it again! bilco |
bilco wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 12:14 |
I am really tempted to find someone who would be willing to record my singer/songwriter stuff with 1 omni mic and everyone standing around in a circle, moving in closer to the mic for solos....... It would no doubt capture my less than perfect vocals, but if the band is happening, it captures the fun! bilco |
hargerst wrote on Sat, 17 December 2005 12:17 |
or we can create a sonic painting |
DivideByZero wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 16:35 |
Playing live never lasts long enough, I want to do 8 hour shows. M |
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Damn that Les Paul, Because of him we are all cheaters |
Dave Martin wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 23:36 |
(I was playing acoustic bass - with no amplification). |
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Damn that Les Paul, Because of him we are all cheaters |
maxim wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 18:16 |
plugging in would be cheating, no? i admire your purism, dave |