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Title: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on August 03, 2010, 12:21:42 PM
Is it just me, or has mere existence in the world become such an ordeal that it isn't

worth the hassle? I wake up, and wonder whats going to go wrong today, that will cost

me more than I have to give. I don't even have any credit card debt, or a house

payment. If I did, game over. Seems though just to live and breathe today I need at

least $1,200.00 a week just to scrape by, working myself to a frazzle and just

getting the utilities, and few payments I do have paid, saving little to nothing as

there isn't anything left to save usually in a typical week. However if I do get some

money built up in the bank, after months of penny pinching, something always

happens to drain it all and then some. Is life supposed be like this? What is the

point? The government wants their end too, and I don't have it. I have to borrow

money just to get back to work after this last disaster. Retirement is never going to

happen for me I know. Then there are those that want all us infidels dead anyway

who are going to be taking over the entire world in the not too distant future I

expect, based on birth rate statistics. They're imported but then, that gives us a new

war later, right here. So, thats a plus, right? EDIT: In the USA. Europe I understand is

a look at the future for the US.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: compasspnt on August 03, 2010, 05:55:20 PM
Adam, every single one of us has problems. Sorry to hear yours are affecting your view of life.

Life is however an amazing thing, something we should cherish.

Try working hard on a positive attitude, regardless of circumstance...and watch things get better!

Best always.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on August 03, 2010, 06:24:54 PM
Thanks Terry. You are inspirational to me, but it isn't like I'm not trying. I work my ass off constantly to try getting ahead, but all I get for it are more headaches.

To continue with the ending of my OP this thread:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38538068/ns/us_news-life/?GT1=43 001

The all out take over is coming. Better convert and start facing Mecca now, before it is too late.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: YZ on August 03, 2010, 07:37:20 PM
Adam,

I sympathize with your personal situation.

I wish that given your current situation you at least had access to decent public health care in case you need it, we know how expensive private medicine can be.

On the mosque subject, which is something _completely_ different, all I have to say is:

They have the right to build it there.
Which does _not_ mean that they should exert such right.

A good society is built on respect for other people's beliefs and sensibilities; in this particular case, let us respect the Muslim's beliefs and they should respect the sensibilities of the non-Muslims.

OTOH, it would be quite interesting if that mosque had in its fa
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: RSettee on August 03, 2010, 07:41:35 PM
A few years back, I had a really bad string of luck. REALLY bad. I'd got t-boned in the driver's side door of my '84 Cutlass (loved that car--fixed up like a muscle car) after a guy had gone through a red light and totalled my car (I was unhurt, thankfully); a string of bad day jobs where i'd worked hard and thought that i'd given 150 percent for what I felt was a small percentage of that in return; music seemed to conspire against me (trouble finding a great band, I was trying but nothing was happening, felt my skills were being wasted, etc); a couple of people close to me had died; someone punched the locks on my new car; I was in pretty bad debt, etc.

All of that is reversed now....maybe it was just time, or maybe it was just making some better decisions. I liked to think that my decisions at the time were great, but I look back and have issues with alot of the choices that i'd made then. Some of that stuff, though--just the luck issues--there really was a black cloud following me, and sometimes one is just a little bit too early for something, or a little bit too late.

I dunno, the best that I can say is that some people don't deserve the luck or fate that they're given, and the best thing to do is to soldier on through it. Hang in there, because the bright side is this--if you're at a low point, it can only get better. I still have some of my problems, but I can manage them. One day the luck will change and i'll have to deal with obstacles, but if you're willing to have different game plans, things can always change. And sometimes they have to--the only constant is change, and we all have to adapt to it....things that were unexpected that we don't necessarily know how to handle.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 03, 2010, 08:17:27 PM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 12:21

Is it just me, or has mere existence in the world become such an ordeal that it isn't

worth the hassle? I wake up, and wonder whats going to go wrong today, that will cost

me more than I have to give. I don't even have any credit card debt, or a house

payment. If I did, game over. Seems though just to live and breathe today I need at

least $1,200.00 a week just to scrape by, working myself to a frazzle and just

getting the utilities, and few payments I do have paid, saving little to nothing as

there isn't anything left to save usually in a typical week. However if I do get some

money built up in the bank, after months of penny pinching, something always

happens to drain it all and then some. Is life supposed be like this? What is the

point? The government wants their end too, and I don't have it. I have to borrow

money just to get back to work after this last disaster. Retirement is never going to

happen for me I know. Then there are those that want all us infidels dead anyway

who are going to be taking over the entire world in the not too distant future I

expect, based on birth rate statistics. They're imported but then, that gives us a new

war later, right here. So, thats a plus, right? EDIT: In the USA. Europe I understand is

a look at the future for the US.


One word.

VOTE.


Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Hallams on August 03, 2010, 08:57:22 PM
I went through a very difficult season in life a few years back and one of the most difficult aspects was the reality of being alone in it. Even close friends who can help to an extent still didn't seem to aleviate the sence of being alone. Something that helped me a lot was to not look too much at the big picture issues i could do nothing about, exept vote. I deliberatley thought about and sought out the things that feed me and so to speak, feed my soul. My own guitar playing was something that was healing for me, a walk in the bush of an evening, fixing up a cheap small boat and going fishing. Part of this was also simply learning how to breathe deeply and relax by slowing down all the thoughts in my head. I just had to make a point of stopping once in a while and letting it all go. My little motto was" Life is amazing and good but some seasons are very hard and challenging. Finances were tight and responsibilities with my family of six children were big, but these simple small things got me through and in fact opened doors for a more positive direction as the season passed. One mate advised me to roll with the punches when i confided in him. Not real good advise as he lacked compassion but it is esential to be flexible and avoid being brittle in your person.......we break more easily when we are brittle. I also had to make a point of being easy on myself and those around me.
Hope this helps a bit Adam.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on August 03, 2010, 09:48:27 PM
I have no problem with Muslims, though how do you know you can trust any one of them? How do we know that every single one that you know of in their convenience stores they own and work in here isn't funding terrorism? It's the 500,000-1.5 million possible, Muslim extremists/terrorists who would rather see ordinary normal people like myself dead just because we aren't Muslim/Muslim extremist/terrorists that I have a problem with. War over oil or religion is just plain stupid. I also have a problem with the US government. It has been funding, training, and arming it's own enemies for decades. It is totally out of control, and I believe unrecoverable at this point. We in the US are just a bank for it to fund whatever it wants to do.The head changes only in appearance, but the body keeps churning out debt and war, for the people to pay for. Just saying.

YZ wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 18:37

Adam,

I sympathize with your personal situation.

I wish that given your current situation you at least had access to decent public health care in case you need it, we know how expensive private medicine can be.

On the mosque subject, which is something _completely_ different, all I have to say is:

They have the right to build it there.
Which does _not_ mean that they should exert such right.

A good society is built on respect for other people's beliefs and sensibilities; in this particular case, let us respect the Muslim's beliefs and they should respect the sensibilities of the non-Muslims.

OTOH, it would be quite interesting if that mosque had in its fa
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on August 03, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
Bill_Urick wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 19:17

Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 12:21

Is it just me, or has mere existence in the world become such an ordeal that it isn't

worth the hassle? I wake up, and wonder whats going to go wrong today, that will cost

me more than I have to give. I don't even have any credit card debt, or a house

payment. If I did, game over. Seems though just to live and breathe today I need at

least $1,200.00 a week just to scrape by, working myself to a frazzle and just

getting the utilities, and few payments I do have paid, saving little to nothing as

there isn't anything left to save usually in a typical week. However if I do get some

money built up in the bank, after months of penny pinching, something always

happens to drain it all and then some. Is life supposed be like this? What is the

point? The government wants their end too, and I don't have it. I have to borrow

money just to get back to work after this last disaster. Retirement is never going to

happen for me I know. Then there are those that want all us infidels dead anyway

who are going to be taking over the entire world in the not too distant future I

expect, based on birth rate statistics. They're imported but then, that gives us a new

war later, right here. So, thats a plus, right? EDIT: In the USA. Europe I understand is

a look at the future for the US.


One word.

VOTE.





Make the vote a popular one and voting makes sense. When the popular vote loses an election the government scam, likely for the sake of itself, is on to keep the machine going all snake like. Ring any bells?
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on August 03, 2010, 10:05:58 PM
Thanks Terry, Ryan, and Chris for the encouragement and kind words and whatnot, and thanks to everyone here for the shoulder to cry on that puts up with me.

I agree with you Bill, vote, but we need a better system that can't fail us, and or start using checks and balances again, which we aren't using obviously. Actually, I think it's about time to do a complete reboot, chop chop like. Clean slate.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: arconaut on August 03, 2010, 10:58:59 PM

It's NOT a mosque.

Read Mayor Bloomberg's statement:

http://home.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.c0935b9a57bb 4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0/index.jsp?pageID=mayor_press_release&am p;catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2 Fom%2Fhtml%2F2010b%2Fpr337-10.html&cc=unused1978&rc= 1194&ndi=1

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Ryan Slowey on August 04, 2010, 03:46:40 PM
I feel you man.

In a rut myself these days. The past 10 months or so have been epically trying. Financially, I've never felt so helpless in my life. I work a deadend job where no raises are given, and yet the organization spends millions without any thought given to the people that make it function on a day-to-day basis. My union actually voted AGAINST raises, yet they have no qualms sucking $20 out of every one of my paychecks. I live paycheck to paycheck, have zero savings, debt....

The worst part, is that I'm trapped, because I absolutely need the health insurance.

Meanwhile, I can't afford to pay rent, and my phone bill, and my student loans, so I've racked up a ton of credit card debt (for me anyway) just to get by.

I know that feeling of aloneness. I have great friends, and the most wonderful lady you could ever ask for, but I still feel like it's me against the world. I get angry, sad....scared.

BUT, I have a really great band that I love, and am getting more recording gigs. Shit, I've even partnered up with a close friend, and will finally have a real place to record music soon. Still though, there's a cloud floating above me from time-to-time, and I'm always wondering when it's going to start raining on me again.

I can't help but think things HAVE to get better from here.

When I get really low, my SG is always there to soak it up.

Chin up brother.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: compasspnt on August 04, 2010, 04:03:03 PM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 21:55

Make the vote a popular one and voting makes sense.



Most elections are determined by the popular vote.

There is a reason that the Presidential election is not, however.

The US is a Republic made up of states, and the Founders made an intensive study into how to best keep both the majority AND the minority as safe and prosperous, and as represented, as possible. Not to mention the dichotomy between short term and long term interests.

No system is perfect of course, and many things have now become somewhat skewed. Indeed the system of checks and balances between the states and the federal government, and amongst the three (supposedly) co-equal branches of government, often seem out of whack.

Try reading The Federalist Papers as well as "Democracy In America" by deToqueville.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Tom L on August 04, 2010, 04:08:18 PM
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.

Perspective and priorities.

Career shifts, massive debt, a divorce, my dad passed away last week....we all have our trials and no one can or should compare.  I find peace focusing on things that are most important to me.  My beautiful daughter, my amazing fianc
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 04, 2010, 08:38:37 PM
Adam, sorry to have been a bit terse before. Just didn't have much time at the time...

Through my dark period I was very fortunate to have a best friend to go to when things were particularly bad.
I hope that you have someone like that. If not, I'm sure someone here, myself included, would be more than happy to be available if you need someone to talk to.

Platitudes and pep talks sometime aren't very helpful.
Sometimes you just have to trudge through though one day at a time even while believing that nothing can change except perhaps to get worse.

But change is inevitable and something positive will occur, even if just due to the law of averages. You'll never know unless you hang in there.

As for the political stuff...

Nothing wrong with the Electoral College.
Sometimes it lines up with the popular vote, sometimes not.
No big whoop as long as the rules are always the same.

And Bloomberg's a dick.

But in addition to doing everything possible to destroy the private sector, cripple the economy and expand the federal government into every aspect of our lives, everyone sees this administration and their accomplices constantly apologising to and for the religion that is bent on conquering and enslaving the world. No exaggeration. That's their stated objective.

The president will fly off the handle and accuse a cop or an entire state of racism but tell us not to rush to judgement when Major Hasan guns down 43 unarmed US soldiers. (13 killed, 30 wounded)

And Bloomberg's "25 cent" guess to Katie Couric as to who tried to set off the car bomb in Times Square was that it was someone "unhappy about the healthcare bill".

When the truth comes out it's always painted as an isolated incident. Just some nut. Not terrorism.

But everyone sees this.

They got power, they got cocky, and they took off the mask.

The only problem is IF the Republicans get back in power, how long before the Washington country-club syndrome kicks in and we're right back where we started.

The Dems may be evil incarnate, but the Reps tend to be fat and lazy and devoid of conviction and balls. Way too concerned about being "liked" by people who will never like them.

So maybe that's the answer, Adam.
Don't be sad, be PISSED OFF.
We might not be able to change anything long term this November, but at least we can punish these bastards a little.

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on August 04, 2010, 11:19:30 PM
I've been pissed off, Bill, about the US government for a decade at least....if not 2.

Did anybody get my sentiment about a reboot, and chop chop? It wasn't in reference to an election, or meaning haste about something exactly. I was thinking more along the lines of the trusty ole guillotine. Once that first heads off, and the word is passed along to do the right thing or lose your head, those that can't seem to do the right thing will straighten right up, I expect. Using then checks and balances to keep track and everything will then be a o k.

Also people in big politics are likely rich to start with, but the salaries they get are absurdly over the top. I think the political leaders should be getting what I get, or not one cent more than the national average, to include minimum wage, cause they aren't working any harder than me if they are even close to the stress I deal with.
When you know of, and use ethics, and morals, and common bloody sense in decision making those decisions shouldn't take long to make. Then all thats left to do is sign the paperwork. All the ones in it, clearly, for the money and the power...chop chop. EDIT: Oh and I don't mind at all being the judge on that.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: bigaudioblowhard on August 04, 2010, 11:48:56 PM
STOP VOTING FOR RICH PEOPLE, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU!

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=159216125164#!/vid eo/video.php?v=159216125164

bab
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Edvaard on August 05, 2010, 12:53:50 AM

Adam,

With all due respect, change the sign-off from "so sad" to, well, almost anything else.

America is so weird.


It changes from month to month as to whether we want to beat on the less fortunate or the much more fortunate, but beat on somebody we must.

Don't join in that party, just deal with your situation as it is.


I don't think that any president or any congress put a gun to your head to force you to buy that CS-1 microphone, even if they might have inadvertently, by way of dealing with much larger issues, disrupted that process in the negative.



Premiere microphones and top of the line preamps and further recording tools are best put to use by those best suited for the purpose, that is, both musicians and recording engineers long at the task.

Blaming the government for personal bad decisions just doesn't cut it.


I can buy a Cray computer, and even if I don't go out of business because of taxes, that does not give me a free ticket to guaranteed money and success.




PS

Hire a better tax advisor.

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 05, 2010, 07:13:04 AM
Excellent perspective, Edvaard. Really.
We must have a beer sometime.
I'll buy.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on August 05, 2010, 08:59:34 AM
Yeah I know I don't deserve to have anything decent. I best stick with the bottom feeders where I belong. Better still I should forget any notion of having a studio of any kind because I'm really just a lowly truck driver. Now I see the light. Thanks.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 05, 2010, 09:27:37 AM
Adam, don't take it that way!

I would say that if you are a bottom feeder, you're in good company.

I'm just not sure whether you'd consider my company good or not.
Smile

One good thing about buying desirable gear, if you need money you can usually get a decent price for it.

I've had to sell a few guitars over the years that I would like to have kept.

But you know, it's just STUFF. It doesn't mean anything.
Relationships-they mean something. And I think you've established some good ones here.

Like the new sig, BTW.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: YZ on August 05, 2010, 12:08:53 PM
You have to look at the positives; from your posts in this thread I gathered that:

1- you have a lot of work;
2- you are earning enough to get by.

Believe it or not, I know some people who would envy you: they're having a hard time finding any work to do, and not making enough, thus having to sell stuff they've accumulated with a lot of sweat over the years and burning up the little savings they had.

Usually, a job well done brings in more...  and gradually you can adjust your fees to a point of greater comfort.

Life is made of cycles; you're in a low point now but if you plow thru there's an up cycle ahead, sooner or later.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: KB_S1 on August 05, 2010, 12:18:22 PM
I have just gone through the worst month of my career in terms of work.

2 days. That was it.

Not a great feeling just now.
Fortunately March through to June were good and financially I have made it.
It looks like the next couple of months will be lean but ok.
I am struggling to work any schedule out for Jan/Feb as three different clients want to do albums.

This makes any financial planning very difficult. I am lucky in that my GF has a steady and decent job to smooth things out.

What actually bothers me more is that budgets are getting so tight that it is difficult to get any time to make good sounding records.
Good sounding rooms are getting harder to find and use because no one was able to pay for them.

Is this going to be the future for the majority of us in the game?
Some serious thinking is required and it is going to take more and effort to stay positive and upbeat.

But lets all make that effort at least.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Hallams on August 06, 2010, 12:13:16 AM
KB_S1 wrote on Fri, 06 August 2010 02:18



(Edited)...............What actually bothers me more is that budgets are getting so tight that it is difficult to get any time to make good sounding records.
Good sounding rooms are getting harder to find and use because no one was able to pay for them.

Is this going to be the future for the majority of us in the game?
Some serious thinking is required and it is going to take more and effort to stay positive and upbeat.

But lets all make that effort at least.


Now thats the challenge. To be able to make good sounding recordings at on a variaty of budget options. As recording is no longer my full time day job, i see myself as a bottom feeder as well in the industry.  If the client's budget is low and you want to get a good hourly rate then better you know how to produce and wrap up a project in a quick and efficient manner. No hours of protoolizing! The most recent job i did "on a restricted budget"  was last week nominated as the CD of the week on our Radio National Breakfast show by the National Broadcaster. TNC mics used extensivley. I would have missed out on the income if i could not do it in a minimum of time and manage to maintain a decent hourly rate.  I know it's not up there with the expensive budget records but i think its a very fair result for my client.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhoKya-qQe4
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: el duderino on August 06, 2010, 01:36:30 AM
Adam,

Sometimes things get pretty shitty. ya have to look long term and focus on that.  consider it an expensive learning experience and do your best. Many people, including myself, are going through similar things to various degrees. Focus on the positive and what can be done to help in the future. I know that for me, a year from now is going to be a whole a new ballgame. Besides that, that's life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIiUqfxFttM

as for the political stuff and fear of invasion, its been around as long as mankind and most likely always will. I wouldn't worry about it. We got attacked by less than 2 dozen terrorists led by a guy in a cave. They caused immense damage and took many lives, but an "invasion" they are incapable of.

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 06, 2010, 06:58:04 AM
Cool Chris.
Love the low key video.
For some reason the singer made me think of Rhys Darby.

Could you share which mics you used on vocals and drums?
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Hallams on August 06, 2010, 07:30:20 PM
Bill_Urick wrote on Fri, 06 August 2010 20:58

Cool Chris.
Love the low key video.
For some reason the singer made me think of Rhys Darby.

Could you share which mics you used on vocals and drums?


Ha Rhys Darby, i'll have to tell him that.
For vox, on most songs i used the ACM1200, for two songs it was an AKGD19. For the guide vox while tracking drums etc live i used an SE vocal condenser. For the song in the video it was the ACM 1200.
On drums i used a pair of ACM-4's in a Glyn Johnes setup, but uesd close mics as well. ACM-310 on floor and tom mic, Rode NT5 on the other tom and high hat, a sure 56 on snare and a Bayer 88 on Kick. The room mic was an ACM-3. Drums, bass, guit, guide vox and B-vox were done live in one room.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: compasspnt on August 06, 2010, 09:19:37 PM
Chris, nice use of the ACM1200! Cool recording.

That capsule is alright.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 06, 2010, 11:20:35 PM
Yes. It sounds good. So this was an un-modded 1200?
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Hallams on August 07, 2010, 07:10:10 AM
Thanks for the compliments fellas, it means a lot. Yes Bill it's un-modded. I'm more than happy with the 1200 though i would love to have the mods done, and will at some stage but right now i'm saving every cent i can. Eddy has a great tone to his voice and i used one of my vintage Australian built pre amps that also has a simple opto comp as the recording chain and i know this bit of kit adds some euphonics.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 07, 2010, 07:46:41 AM
I did a quick comparison a while back between the Apex460 and two 1200s-one a 47 mod and one a 49. Just acoustic guitar and male vox.

While I preferred the modded ones, the un-modded 460 was perfectly acceptable. As you have proven here!

(My ear and mind say "proven" and one source at least validates that, though "proved" seems to have a greater following. Perhaps p could pop in and enlighten us as the the etymology of this pesky verb.)
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: compasspnt on August 07, 2010, 09:51:20 AM
Both "proved" and "proven" are past participles of "prove," and both are acceptable.

But "proven" is most correctly used when modifying another word (such as in "His recording technique is a proven method," wherein "proven" modifies "method"); "proved" is best used when referring to the person doing the deed (such as in "He has proved his technique is good," wherein "proved" refers to "he").
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: sirfun on August 07, 2010, 05:51:32 PM
Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?


I hate to admit it but, yes.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: nCole on August 07, 2010, 08:35:33 PM
Hallams wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 19:57

I deliberatley thought about and sought out the things that feed me and so to speak, feed my soul. My own guitar playing was something that was healing for me, a walk in the bush of an evening, fixing up a cheap small boat and going fishing. Part of this was also simply learning how to breathe deeply and relax by slowing down all the thoughts in my head. I just had to make a point of stopping once in a while and letting it all go.


This is great advice. It may seem counterproductive to occasionally take a break from life when you are feeling so far behind but I've found it essential. A balanced diet and regular exercise can go a long way towards helping you stay in the mental game. I've been in this rut before and a lot of my close friends have as well and what helped some of them was a change in career or location. I've also found that I've had to limit my exposure to the national and world news. And hand select the news outlets when I do read. It's so easy for me to start feeling hopeless and angry at what's happening in the world but getting angry is not going to change anything. It just weighs me down and adds to my base level of stress. Also, when you go for that walk in the evening try looking up at the sky. Looking down at the ground too much keeps my head in my problems.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 07, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
compasspnt wrote on Sat, 07 August 2010 09:51

Both "proved" and "proven" are past participles of "prove," and both are acceptable.

But "proven" is most correctly used when modifying another word (such as in "His recording technique is a proven method," wherein "proven" modifies "method"); "proved" is best used when referring to the person doing the deed (such as in "He has proved his technique is good," wherein "proved" refers to "he").



So in this instance, "proved" would have been the most correct.
Alas, I chose poorly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKOckpO1WA8

I'm a little concerned about Adam. He hasn't been around for a bit.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on August 08, 2010, 02:16:38 PM
Heard from Adam.
Back at work and doin' ok.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: JDNelson on October 14, 2010, 03:32:45 PM
I like what Mick Jagger said way back when when an interviewer asked him cheekily if he got any satisfaction... he said "trying, definitely trying".  Man, I know that feeling.  Got the tee shirt to prove it.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: sirfun on October 14, 2010, 07:54:26 PM
sirfun wrote on Sat, 07 August 2010 14:51

Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?


I hate to admit it but, yes.


whoo-o.k. now i get it..............
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 15, 2010, 07:21:34 AM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 23:24


The all out take over is coming. Better convert and start facing Mecca now, before it is too late.

Most people here have stepped around these comments but I'm personally disgusted by your obvious ethnic baiting and attempt to blame muslims and immigrants for your problems.  
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on October 16, 2010, 04:46:39 PM
Samc wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 06:21

Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 23:24


The all out take over is coming. Better convert and start facing Mecca now, before it is too late.

Most people here have stepped around these comments but I'm personally disgusted by your obvious ethnic baiting and attempt to blame muslims and immigrants for your problems.  


I do regret having made those comments. No offense intended. I now realize extremist muslim terrorists are a good thing, and everyone that isn't one should die that are near the one that blows them up, with a suicide bomb, when they're just enjoying being alive. I hate it when one blows themselves up and doesn't kill anyone. What a tard. No virgins for that idiot.
Laughing
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 17, 2010, 01:04:51 AM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Sat, 16 October 2010 21:46

Samc wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 06:21

Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 03 August 2010 23:24


The all out take over is coming. Better convert and start facing Mecca now, before it is too late.

Most people here have stepped around these comments but I'm personally disgusted by your obvious ethnic baiting and attempt to blame muslims and immigrants for your problems.  


I do regret having made those comments. No offense intended. I now realize extremist muslim terrorists are a good thing, and everyone that isn't one should die that are near the one that blows them up, with a suicide bomb, when they're just enjoying being alive. I hate it when one blows themselves up and doesn't kill anyone. What a tard. No virgins for that idiot.
Your inference that (all) muslims are extremist terrorists was made after careful study I'm sure it sounds very educated.  What about xenophobes and bigots, tell me something about them....
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on October 19, 2010, 01:28:10 AM
How do you tell a good one from a bad one? They look exactly the same. This is how; you just have to wait for the bad one to get caught, by law enforcement/military authorities, blowing shit up, and killing innocent people. The only way to end it is by the general Muslim population themselves to stop being indifferent/bias to & in favor of the extremists terrorist Muslims, and turn them in or take them out themselves. One would think, by association, both being Muslim, the extremist causing the good, normal, kind, & gracious Muslims such grief, they would want to clear the mess up themselves and get back some respect in the world. So, how do you tell a good one from a bad one when the good one tolerates the bad one?
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: jetbase on October 19, 2010, 01:54:14 AM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 16:28

How do you tell a good one from a bad one? They look exactly the same. This is how; you just have to wait for the bad one to get caught, by law enforcement/military authorities, blowing shit up, and killing innocent people. The only way to end it is by the general Muslim population themselves to stop being indifferent/bias to & in favor of the extremists terrorist Muslims, and turn them in or take them out themselves. One would think, by association, both being Muslim, the extremist causing the good, normal, kind, & gracious Muslims such grief, they would want to clear the mess up themselves and get back some respect in the world. So, how do you tell a good one from a bad one when the good one tolerates the bad one?


That's probably exactly what "they" say. One possible aid to a solution that I can think of is to somehow remove the idea of "us" & "them". It's a dangerous idea I think.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: MagnetoSound on October 19, 2010, 09:04:31 AM


I don't really know what the title of this thread is specifically referring to, but I am disgusted at most of what I see going on around me at the moment.


How far down into this shit-hole do we have to climb before we can say 'enough is enough'?


I manage to temper this emotion with laughter and frivolity whenever I can, but it's becoming more like hard work to do so.


Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Jay Kadis on October 19, 2010, 10:05:27 AM
MagnetoSound wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 06:04


I manage to temper this emotion with laughter and frivolity whenever I can, but it's becoming more like hard work to do so.



Turn off the television and things immediately improve.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: bblackwood on October 19, 2010, 10:11:46 AM
Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 09:05

MagnetoSound wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 06:04


I manage to temper this emotion with laughter and frivolity whenever I can, but it's becoming more like hard work to do so.



Turn off the television and things immediately improve.

Big +1.

I pretty much only watch college football anymore, spend the rest of the time with family or reading.

Head in sand? Maybe, but with so much editorializing and bias in the 'news' anymore, I'm not so sure...
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: el duderino on October 19, 2010, 10:32:13 AM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 01:28

How do you tell a good one from a bad one? They look exactly the same. This is how; you just have to wait for the bad one to get caught, by law enforcement/military authorities, blowing shit up, and killing innocent people. The only way to end it is by the general Muslim population themselves to stop being indifferent/bias to & in favor of the extremists terrorist Muslims, and turn them in or take them out themselves. One would think, by association, both being Muslim, the extremist causing the good, normal, kind, & gracious Muslims such grief, they would want to clear the mess up themselves and get back some respect in the world. So, how do you tell a good one from a bad one when the good one tolerates the bad one?



is springer oklahoma heavily muslim?

just wondering, wiki says it has a population of 577 according to the 2000 census. I'm guessing your problems lie with the TV you watch and what you WANT to believe.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Taproot on October 19, 2010, 10:34:41 AM
Going on 8 months "news free", here. The doctors say I'm doing much better now. Smile

The only television I watch now is Turner Classic Movies and the Science Channel. The kids still get to watch cartoons, but you even have to be careful with those nowadays.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: MagnetoSound on October 19, 2010, 12:40:58 PM
bblackwood wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 15:11

Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 09:05

MagnetoSound wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 06:04

I manage to temper this emotion with laughter and frivolity whenever I can, but it's becoming more like hard work to do so.



Turn off the television and things immediately improve.



Big +1.

I pretty much only watch college football anymore, spend the rest of the time with family or reading.

Head in sand? Maybe, but with so much editorializing and bias in the 'news' anymore, I'm not so sure...




Couldn't agree more.


TV News is the hook in your brain that has the poison on it - and most so-called 'entertainment' is as twisted as the news with regard to the values that it promotes. X-Factor is of course a prime example ...


The TV that I do watch is the medicine at the end of the day. I enjoy good quality music shows (Later with Jools, for example) and satirical comedy ... and of course Doctor Who, with my son (it's great drama and he loves it  Very Happy ).



Just don't underestimate the healing power of laughter, good music, and quality time spent with loved ones - it's a mistake to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Smile



Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 19, 2010, 03:36:44 PM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 06:28

How do you tell a good one from a bad one? They look exactly the same.

How do you tell the good (christian) white people from the bad ones?  They all look the same too, don't they?


Quote:

This is how; you just have to wait for the bad one to get caught, by law enforcement/military authorities, blowing shit up, and killing innocent people. The only way to end it is by the general Muslim population themselves to stop being indifferent/bias to & in favor of the extremists terrorist Muslims, and turn them in or take them out themselves. One would think, by association, both being Muslim, the extremist causing the good, normal, kind, & gracious Muslims such grief, they would want to clear the mess up themselves and get back some respect in the world. So, how do you tell a good one from a bad one when the good one tolerates the bad one?

I am flabbergasted, somebody, please tell me this guy is just messing around, I really don't want to believe that this kind of ignorance, intolerance and bitterness exist here!
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 19, 2010, 04:16:45 PM
Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 15:05

MagnetoSound wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 06:04


I manage to temper this emotion with laughter and frivolity whenever I can, but it's becoming more like hard work to do so.



Turn off the television and things immediately improve.


Nice sounding rhetoric that makes everything seem easy and puts the responsibility on  someone else, but is neither meaningful or true... In this information age, unless you live in the backwoods of some extremely underdeveloped country you can't escape the news.  

Hating people because of their race and/or ethnic background has been around before the television and a lot of us have known for a long time that this is ignorant and rather stupid.

We are who we are because of what we know, so 'turning on' our brains would be way more more effective and meaningful than just turning off the television.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Jay Kadis on October 19, 2010, 06:23:30 PM
Samc wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 13:16

Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 15:05

MagnetoSound wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 06:04


I manage to temper this emotion with laughter and frivolity whenever I can, but it's becoming more like hard work to do so.



Turn off the television and things immediately improve.


Nice sounding rhetoric that makes everything seem easy and puts the responsibility on  someone else, but is neither meaningful or true... In this information age, unless you live in the backwoods of some extremely underdeveloped country you can't escape the news.  

Hating people because of their race and/or ethnic background has been around before the television and a lot of us have known for a long time that this is ignorant and rather stupid.

We are who we are because of what we know, so 'turning on' our brains would be way more more effective and meaningful than just turning off the television.

The news and television are hardly synonymous.  Television reduces everything to over-simplified sound bites that eliminate information if favor of emotional reaction.  If you want to know what is going on, listen to radio (NPR,BBC,CBC), read newspapers and books, become active as opposed to a passive consumer of carefully-designed propaganda.

If what you "know" comes only from television, you know only what you are programmed to know.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on October 19, 2010, 08:17:12 PM
Sam.

Just to be clear.

Christianity and Islam are both RELIGIONS.

Christians, as well as Muslims, are of various races and ethnicities.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 19, 2010, 08:53:45 PM
Bill_Urick wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 01:17

Sam.

Just to be clear.

Christianity and Islam are both RELIGIONS.

Christians, as well as Muslims, are of various races and ethnicities.

No, really!?

Seriously Bill, do you really think I didn't know that, or are you suggesting something else!?  
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 19, 2010, 08:59:46 PM
Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 23:23


The news and television are hardly synonymous.  Television reduces everything to over-simplified sound bites that eliminate information if favor of emotional reaction.
 
Television does that or some television channels, some radio channels, some magazines, some newspapers and even some books distort and misrepresent the truth?  

Quote:

If you want to know what is going on, listen to radio (NPR,BBC,CBC), read newspapers and books, become active as opposed to a passive consumer of carefully-designed propaganda.

Both the BBC and CBC have television channels, the National Geographic, The Discovery Channel, Planet, Euronews and a host of other really good channels also exist.  reading is great but garbage is everywhere, even in newspapers and books and certainly on the radio and what is important is that we are educated and smart enough to recognize it when we read or hear it.

Quote:

If what you "know" comes only from television, you know only what you are programmed to know.

Another useless piece of rhetoric... Think about it for a minute.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on October 19, 2010, 10:35:11 PM
Forgive me, Sam. This was not meant to be condescending. I was responding to these statements:

Samc wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 15:36

How do you tell the good (christian) white people from the bad ones?  They all look the same too, don't they?



Samc wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 16:16

Hating people because of their race and/or ethnic background has been around before the television and a lot of us have known for a long time that this is ignorant and rather stupid.



This discussion has NOTHING to do with race.
It has everything to do with Religion, Politics and Human Rights.

From CNN, that Right-Wing, Tea Bagging, Islamophobic, yada, yada, yada...

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/10/19/uae.court.ruli ng/


Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 19, 2010, 11:13:56 PM
Bill_Urick wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 03:35

Forgive me, Sam. This was not meant to be condescending. I was responding to these statements:

Samc wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 15:36

How do you tell the good (christian) white people from the bad ones?  They all look the same too, don't they?



Samc wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 16:16

Hating people because of their race and/or ethnic background has been around before the television and a lot of us have known for a long time that this is ignorant and rather stupid.



This discussion has NOTHING to do with race.
It has everything to do with Religion, Politics and Human Rights.

I guess this makes the diatribe more palatable... Is this why most people are pretending they don't see it?

I disagree with you of course.

Did you read this statement (I added the bold):
"How do you tell a good one from a bad one? They look exactly the same."
I think it's pretty clear the he is talking about one particular looking type of person.

In any case characterizing Muslims as either terrorist or supporters of terrorism is extremely ignorant and prejudicial...but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on October 20, 2010, 07:11:21 AM
Samc wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 23:13

I disagree with you of course.



Of course!
Smile

Quote:


Did you read this statement (I added the bold):
"How do you tell a good one from a bad one? They look exactly the same."
I think it's pretty clear the he is talking about one particular looking type of person.



I interpreted this as an allusion to the clothing, headware and beards that are typically worn and stand in contrast to most western "fashion".  

Quote:


In any case characterizing Muslims as either terrorist or supporters of terrorism is extremely ignorant and prejudicial...but that's just my opinion.


I would agree that it is prejudicial and more often incorrect.

Here is a review/interview re a non-biased view of the topic:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/november/26.38.html

Statistically I've seen support for terrorist tactics among Muslims cover a very wide range depending on the sampling.
At a minimum of 5%, that still results in (with a billion + Muslims in the world) a minimum of 50,000,000. Be really conservative, call it one percent. Still 10,000,000.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Jon Hodgson on October 20, 2010, 07:24:54 AM
Bill_Urick wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 12:11

I interpreted this as an allusion to the clothing, headware and beards that are typically worn and stand in contrast to most western "fashion".


Typically? I don't think so.

Although there are an apparently growing (at least in the UK) portion who like to advertise their religious views by wearing "traditional" dress and/or facial hair, the majority of muslims don't, any more than the majority of Christians, Jews or Buddhists do.

Most muslims in the west dress like any other westerners (the ladies perhaps adding a headscarf to their outfit), and if you go to the middle east, you'll probably find you can't pick out the Christians there either, because they'll be wearing clothes that if you saw them in the west, you'd immediately think "muslim".

But does it really matter how Adam thinks he can spot a muslim, or is what matters his attitude towards those he believes to be of that religion?
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Jay Kadis on October 20, 2010, 10:17:53 AM
Samc wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 17:59

Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 19 October 2010 23:23


The news and television are hardly synonymous.  Television reduces everything to over-simplified sound bites that eliminate information if favor of emotional reaction.
 
Television does that or some television channels, some radio channels, some magazines, some newspapers and even some books distort and misrepresent the truth?  

Quote:

If you want to know what is going on, listen to radio (NPR,BBC,CBC), read newspapers and books, become active as opposed to a passive consumer of carefully-designed propaganda.

Both the BBC and CBC have television channels, the National Geographic, The Discovery Channel, Planet, Euronews and a host of other really good channels also exist.  reading is great but garbage is everywhere, even in newspapers and books and certainly on the radio and what is important is that we are educated and smart enough to recognize it when we read or hear it.

Quote:

If what you "know" comes only from television, you know only what you are programmed to know.

Another useless piece of rhetoric... Think about it for a minute.
OK, thought about it for a minute.  Television as a medium is uniquely suited to deliver a message directly to the subconscious mind - to the emotional centers - without requiring active thinking.  The tendency to absorb the messages passively is at the root of the problem.   The immediacy of the 24/7 news cycle with emphasis on the shocking creates a false sense of negativity.  Good news does not sell advertising.

Your last line is exactly the issue and I would argue that television is the least effective of the media at stimulating the thinking process due to its exploitation of the limited attention span and its surface-level appeal to unquestioning viewers.  
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Spindrift on October 20, 2010, 03:13:11 PM
Jay, I couldn't agree with you more.

Adam, swear off TV and news for 3 months. Buy a book or a Kindle and read...spend time with your family, walk your dogs, play your instrument. Record.

I look back on what I've accomplished since I swore off TV and I'm actually a little proud.

A good book to start with is Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves To Death". It is a fantastic read on the degradation of the national dialogue to a bunch of mindless chatter via TV and even the news.  He argues that the-shit-hit-the-fan with the invention of the telegraph. All of a sudden, you could now know things about people very far away in which you had no connection to, really didn't care about, and could do absolutely nothing about.  A fascinating read.

Also, Terry's suggestions of DeTocqueville and the Federalist/Anti-Federalist papers are excellent reads.

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: MagnetoSound on October 20, 2010, 03:28:59 PM
Spindrift wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 20:13

He argues that the-shit-hit-the-fan with the invention of the telegraph. All of a sudden, you could now know things about people very far away in which you had no connection to, really didn't care about, and could do absolutely nothing about.




Rather like the internet.


Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Spindrift on October 20, 2010, 04:01:29 PM
Exactly. It was written in 1985 but is now more relevant than ever!
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 20, 2010, 05:04:43 PM
what are you doing posting here then, aren't you afraid of being corrupted?  

Somebody wrote a book blaming all our problems on technology and it's now gospel.  The problem is that too many of us need someone to tell us things, to figure out and decipher the world for us, sticking our heads in the sand is not the answer, learning how to think for ourselves might be a better solution.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 20, 2010, 05:29:15 PM
Bill_Urick wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 12:11


I interpreted this as an allusion to the clothing, headware and beards that are typically worn and stand in contrast to most western "fashion".  

Duh, come on Bill, isn't this 'look' a particularity of people from the middle east?  He's talking about their clothes but not them!!!

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Spindrift on October 20, 2010, 05:49:34 PM
Samc wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 14:04

what are you doing posting here then, aren't you afraid of being corrupted?  

Somebody wrote a book blaming all our problems on technology and it's now gospel.  The problem is that too many of us need someone to tell us things, to figure out and decipher the world for us, sticking our heads in the sand is not the answer, learning how to think for ourselves might be a better solution.


Afraid of being corrupted?  Way too late for that Smile  This forum is a way to interact and discuss and connect with others and LEARN something and sometimes TEACH something.  

And how do you propose learning to think for one's self?  Sitting in front of the tele or reading/discussing books and interpreting and evaluating the points the author proposes?  Reading a book is having someone tell me what to think?  

I don't know about you but that's not how I approach books and my own personal educational pursuits.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Wireline on October 20, 2010, 07:44:05 PM
Ya know what....?


Whether we like it or not, Adam (and every one else) is absolutely entitled to dislike anyone they choose, regardless of reason.  We don't have to like it, agree with it, or even be able to stomach it.

Pretty dadgum pretentious of anyone to judge him for it, though.  Chastising him, calling him names,  or preaching to him about his evil ways is almost a harassing tactic...what next - send the PC police after him?

Jes saying.

I don't like people that wear cargo shorts and flip flops to church, but I don't call them out on it....
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Jon Hodgson on October 20, 2010, 09:16:23 PM
Wireline wrote on Thu, 21 October 2010 00:44

Ya know what....?


Whether we like it or not, Adam (and every one else) is absolutely entitled to dislike anyone they choose, regardless of reason.  We don't have to like it, agree with it, or even be able to stomach it.

Pretty dadgum pretentious of anyone to judge him for it, though.  Chastising him, calling him names,  or preaching to him about his evil ways is almost a harassing tactic...what next - send the PC police after him?

Jes saying.

I don't like people that wear cargo shorts and flip flops to church, but I don't call them out on it....


So you judge people as pretentious and chastise them for judging someone and chastising them?

Ah, the irony.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 20, 2010, 10:38:55 PM
Wireline wrote on Thu, 21 October 2010 00:44

Ya know what....?


Whether we like it or not, Adam (and every one else) is absolutely entitled to dislike anyone they choose, regardless of reason.  We don't have to like it, agree with it, or even be able to stomach it.

Pretty dadgum pretentious of anyone to judge him for it, though.  Chastising him, calling him names,  or preaching to him about his evil ways is almost a harassing tactic...what next - send the PC police after him?

Jes saying.

I don't like people that wear cargo shorts and flip flops to church, but I don't call them out on it....

I couldn't care less who or what he likes or doesn't like, but he posted about it on a public forum, and the same right you have to come here and call me names, chastise and preach to me.....I'm sure I don't have to spell it out for you.  

Like Jon wrote above, "Ah, the irony."

Feel free to continue harassing me all you want by the way, and hey, I like the analogy, you not liking flip flops in church and him not liking muslims...
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Edvaard on October 20, 2010, 10:40:14 PM
Jon Hodgson wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 21:16

Wireline wrote on Thu, 21 October 2010 00:44

Pretty dadgum pretentious of anyone to judge him for it, though.


So you judge people as pretentious and chastise them for judging someone and chastising them?




It wasn't a judgment, just a preliminary hearing.


Personally, I think it's OK to chastise someone for thinking it's OK to have a certain opinion, though I might chastise someone for thinking it's OK to chastise.

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Wireline on October 20, 2010, 10:49:12 PM
just pointing it out people...y'all have been treating Adam like he's just eaten an AID's infected Ebola sandwich....

Now jumping on me for pointing it out.  Guess we are all guilty of being humans, should be immediately be terminated, and let God sort it all out.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 21, 2010, 06:38:37 AM
Wireline wrote on Thu, 21 October 2010 03:49

just pointing it out people...y'all have been treating Adam like he's just eaten an AID's infected Ebola sandwich....

Not everybody Ken, most people here have been very supportive and have offered words of encouragement to him, I and a few others have reacted to his prejudicial discourse against muslims.

Just wondering though what the climate would be here now had these vile, and very prejudicial remarks been made against Americans and christianity?
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Bill_Urick on October 22, 2010, 06:43:07 AM
Samc wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 17:29

Bill_Urick wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 12:11


I interpreted this as an allusion to the clothing, headware and beards that are typically worn and stand in contrast to most western "fashion".  

Duh, come on Bill, isn't this 'look' a particularity of people from the middle east?  He's talking about their clothes but not them!!!




You say it is. Jon says it isn't.
Not trying to link the two arguments, but what is true?

I'm not speaking for or defending Adam.
I'm not "bashing a religion".

I'm saying that invoking a racial argument is invalid and lame.

Let's say someone, (Juan Williams, for example?) expresses some misgivings regarding Muslims.

Quote:


"You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."


Notice Juan specifically mentioned "garb".

I'm sure what Juan really meant was that he doesn't like Muslims because they're "brown people".

Which is really what you guys are saying.

Concerned about Militant-Islamic threats to national security?

You're a racist.

Don't like the healthcare bill?

You're a racist.

Think the federal government should enforce existing immigration law?

You're a racist.


This shit just makes me tired.


From:

http://www.everydaychristian.com/blogs/post/8729/

Quote:


Fact or Opinion? We face a vague landscape in the world of journalism. The lines between the opinion column and the news article are permanently blurred. Purely objective news reporting was never a reality, but it is more obvious now than ever before with our culture of political correctness and challenges to free speech. The way we see the world impacts everything we do, from how we relate to people in the grocery store to how we respond to the daily news. In reporting the most basic news, every choice of word is a decision regarding the communication of a particular message, even if this occurs at the subconscious level.

Take for example, NPR President Vivian Schiller’s comments about the firing of Juan Williams. On the one hand, Schiller defended the decision, saying that Williams had violated NPR's guidelines barring its analysts from taking “personal public positions on controversial issues.” This communicates her belief that Williams took a position rather than simply stating a reality. Furthermore, she claimed she was not there to judge Williams feelings, but said his feelings were "between him and his psychiatrist or his publicist." What message does that communicate? Whether she intended to or not, Schiller communicated that she believes Williams has mental issues. If NPR wants its analysts to stick to the facts and avoid personal positions, offenses and controversy, its leadership should mind its own policy. But the truth is: Sticking to the facts apart from any personal influence is all but impossible to do.

The real reason? Williams’ firing comes after the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) relayed this message: “NPR should address the fact that one of its news analysts seems to believe that all airline passengers who are perceived to be Muslim can legitimately be viewed as security threats,” said CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad. “Such irresponsible and inflammatory comments would not be tolerated if they targeted any other racial, ethnic or religious minority, and they should not pass without action by NPR.”

Were Williams comments really irresponsible and inflammatory? How does one measure that? Perhaps it would be more accurate to describe Williams’ comments as valid and thought-provoking. If so, then Williams did his job. He’s a news analyst. He just didn't analyze the news the way NPR or CAIR would have liked, as proven by Schiller’s written response. “In appearing on TV or other media including electronic Web-based forums, NPR journalists should not express views they would not air in their role as an NPR journalist.” "Unfortunately, Juan’s comments on Fox violated our standards as well as our values and offended many in doing so.”

The evidence suggests this reality: NPR values political correctness over transparent analysis of the news. Williams values the opposite. Williams offended Muslims just as O’Reilly did, but CAIR knew full well Fox News would not make “an example” out of O’Reilly, but trusted that NPR would make an example out of Williams.

Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Jon Hodgson on October 22, 2010, 07:16:50 AM
Bill_Urick wrote on Fri, 22 October 2010 11:43

Samc wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 17:29

Bill_Urick wrote on Wed, 20 October 2010 12:11


I interpreted this as an allusion to the clothing, headware and beards that are typically worn and stand in contrast to most western "fashion".  

Duh, come on Bill, isn't this 'look' a particularity of people from the middle east?  He's talking about their clothes but not them!!!




You say it is. Jon says it isn't.
Not trying to link the two arguments, but what is true?


Sorry, but I don't see the contradiction. In fact I think I made it fairly clear that this "look" that many people assume means "muslim" is actually really a regional look, not a religious one. It's not only Christians who make the mistake, muslims do it too, notably young western raised ones who become more militant (and also those of western backgrounds who convert), they want to advertise that they are muslims and proud of it, and how do they do it? By wearing clothes which happen to be the traditional fashion in countries which these days are primarily muslim.

The reality is that there are over a billion muslims in the world and most of them dress the same as their non muslim neighbours, there is no "typical" look.

There are certain looks where you can make a pretty good bet that the wearer is a muslim, that's true, but that's not the same as having a muslim "look".

As for invoking the racial argument, I'm not. I don't know how Adam thinks he can identify muslims by their look, or even in  fact if he thinks he can. "They look the same" doesn't mean "they look the same as each other but different to non christians", which people are assuming he meant, nor have I any reason from your post to think that you have any aversion to muslims due to their skin colour (or indeed any aversion at all), I was merely correcting your apparant belief in a typical muslim look.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on October 22, 2010, 05:45:08 PM
I don't hate any one person, nor any group of people with one, make that two exceptions: 1-people  who are extremist Muslim terrorist. Sorry. Don't like them at all. 2-people who tolerate extremist Muslim terrorists. However terrorist in general are bad, right, but seems a particular group with particular beliefs are always the ones fucking shit up all around the world. I have zero respect for those people. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. I can't figure out why it isn't obvious to everyone as to why I would hate those people, with all the horrific killing they do for publicity, and their twisted extremist beliefs. Example would be, member of the world's press taken prisoner, then videoed, having his head cut off while he was alive, posted on the internet. I saw that clip while in training to go overseas. Perhaps I too should sympathize with those terrorists as it seems others do? Then that would put me in the second group and I'd have to hate myself. It isn't skin color or religion I have a problem with. It's the acts of terrorism by a group who all happen to look the same, talk the same, & have the same religion, and have heritage from mostly the middle east I have a problem with. I'm not being racists. If they were, say, Scottish I'd feel the same way, if they committed the same acts of terrorism.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 22, 2010, 07:38:32 PM
Bill_Urick wrote on Fri, 22 October 2010 11:43


You say it is. Jon says it isn't.
Not trying to link the two arguments, but what is true?

See Jon's response

Quote:

I'm saying that invoking a racial argument is invalid and lame.

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it, but aren't  these statements invalid and lame:
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The all out take over is coming. Better convert and start facing Mecca now, before it is too late....

And:

I have no problem with Muslims, though how do you know you can trust any one of them? How do we know that every single one that you know of in their convenience stores they own and work in here isn't funding terrorism?




Quote:

Let's say someone, (Juan Williams, for example?) expresses some misgivings regarding Muslims.

Quote:


"You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."


Notice Juan specifically mentioned "garb".

I'm sure what Juan really meant was that he doesn't like Muslims because they're "brown people".

Which is really what you guys are saying.

That's what you are saying I'm saying...


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Concerned about Militant-Islamic threats to national security?

You're a racist.

Don't like the healthcare bill?

You're a racist.

Think the federal government should enforce existing immigration law?

You're a racist.


This shit just makes me tired.

Stop making up shit , this debate has nothing to do with the things you mentioned above and you know it!
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Samc on October 22, 2010, 08:33:06 PM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Fri, 22 October 2010 22:45

I can't figure out why it isn't obvious to everyone as to why I would hate those people, with all the horrific killing they do for publicity, and their twisted extremist beliefs.

Every reasonable, well thinking person dislikes all terrorists and all forms of terrorism.  But reasonable, well thinking people know that not all muslims, or everybody who 'looks' like them are not terrorist or terrorist sympathizers.  
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Jon Hodgson on October 25, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
Adam The Truck Driver wrote on Fri, 22 October 2010 22:45

I can't figure out why it isn't obvious to everyone as to why I would hate those people, with all the horrific killing they do for publicity,

I can't figure out why you think anyone has an issue with you being against terrorists or their backers.
Quote:

It's the acts of terrorism by a group who all happen to look the same, talk the same, & have the same religion, and have heritage from mostly the middle east


Let me see, in the past decade we've had major islamic terrorist acts from, amongst others...

Saudi born and raised Arabs in 9/11

And London born man of Jamaican and English parentage (Richard Reid, shoe bomber).

Three guys born and raised in England, of Pakistani descent, and a Jamaican born man on 7/7

A number of attacks by Chechen islamists.

Indonesians bombing nightclubs in Bali

Killings in Thailand.. by Thai muslims

So no, these people don't look the same, talk the same, or have the same heritage.

They do have the same religion...

But then so do over one and a half billion people, or 23% of the world's population.

Or is it just arab muslim terrorists you have an issue with?

Thinking you can identify the dangerous group by their look is misguided and potentially dangerous if people who are supposed to be vigilant for such things share that misconception, they're more likely to miss the real dangers. It also has the distinct danger of leading to a bigoted attitude towards a whole racial or cultural group, most of whom are quite innocent.

And no I don't like terrorists.
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: QUEEF BAG on October 26, 2010, 02:29:13 AM
wow   looking at this i am disgusted


i want to respond, but i remember the advice -

never get into an argument with an idiot.
he will just drag you down to his level
and beat you with experience.



so...it's been rainy the last few days in the northwest here...
Title: Re: Are you happy, or disgusted?
Post by: Adam The Truck Driver on October 29, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
It wasn't my intent for this thread to become all about militant extremist muslims but that is the direction people wanted it to go I suppose. Therefore...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39911024/ns/us_news-airliner_sec urity/?GT1=43001

Must be those rowdy Scottish at it again. You know how they hate & want to kill everyone that isn't Scottish. Rolling Eyes