Version wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 11:06 |
It's a foolish to think that any external substance is going to make you a better engineer. If that's what you think, it's kind of sad. |
Barish wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 18:55 |
C in my case, and whether I am more (or less) experienced and "professional" than some is irrelevant. I think that the notion that one needs doping in order to achieve something that he/she normally can't is rather sad. It's like surrendering to a weakness in order to be superior (???). Oxymoron to me. B. |
Tomas Danko wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 01:25 |
As for everything else I do in the studio, I pass on stimulants and such. Except for coffee. (Waiting for someone in Bahamas to comment any moment now) |
Barish wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 20:32 | ||
Hey, serve a coffee to Terry one afternoon and see for yourself how sobering experience it is. Been there, done that too.. |
maxim wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 15:48 |
with respect, a blanket statement like that is what makes kids turn off good advice |
maxim wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 16:01 |
glenn wrote: "Wasn't Doc's context obvious in this thread?" can you delineate the difference between prozac and ecstacy? |
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Ps. If you do Reggae, dub or minimalistic electronica, please ignore this message and carry on as usual. |
Tomas Danko wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 17:25 |
I don't touch drugs, life is weird enough as it is. I am very fond of beer and some assorted liqours however. |
J.J. Blair wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 23:50 |
I'm allergic to drugs.... They make me break out in handcuffs. I haven't been high in seventeen years and some change. So, I can't say what effect it had on me in the studio. However, I can say that Marijuana and LSD both really had an impact on my appreciation of music. In fact, it wasn't until I listened to it on acid that I finally understood Eric Dolphy's Out to Lunch. Also, listening to "2,000 Light Years from Home" while I was baked to a deep crisp was also a very pivotal moment. . |
Version wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 00:15 |
... About the only drug going on is adrenaline and maybe the euphoria of a good meal or residue from a good orgasm. there i said it. |
Tomas Danko wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 01:25 |
Ps. If you do Reggae, dub or minimalistic electronica, please ignore this message and carry on as usual. |
Samc wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 23:51 |
Fact of the matter is that a lot of the reggae musicians and almost none of the engineers that I have worked with don't even smoke. |
maxim wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 06:35 |
the drug that most affected my creativity in a positive fashion was psilocybin ('magic mushrooms') just one great trip is all it took to clear some of brain's illusions |
compasspnt wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 03:47 |
Who knows what those creative people would be like without the stimulants? Even better perhaps? Shoe salesmen? |
compasspnt wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 20:17 |
My answer may not be agreeable to some, but... No drug, including pot, is helpful in any way. I am totally against them. Of course, I don't even drink, and if I could make the laws, no one else would, either. So maybe I'm biased. |
compasspnt wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 04:47 |
Who knows what those creative people would be like without the stimulants? Even better perhaps? |
p.mento wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 11:37 |
i've done lots of reggae sessions in the studio, dubplates and recording. every singer or musician that you guys also have heard of - i.e. the serious, talented and known examples - were sober! |
ziggy wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 13:54 |
stanaho stanaho stanaho we recorded with him as well (i'm just guessing who you're talking about), same story here. |
Kendrix wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 14:31 |
Its not for me to judge. Im a bit of a libertarian on this point. I beleive our resources are ineffetive in battling this- and could be applied more productively elsewhere. Legalization would take the crime and violence out of the game at several levels. |
maxim wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 23:58 |
i'd like to ask terry what proportion of the artists going through his studio smoke marijuana on a regular basis and how many do it when playing music |
wwittman wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 02:07 | ||
if you have residue from your orgasm I don't think I want to be in the control room with you. or shake your hand. |
compasspnt wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 03:34 |
Ummm... That was green tea, my friend. Even if it was from Starbucks. |
wwittman wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 02:05 |
There was a really interesting study done a few years ago. Apparently, it was already known that students who studied for tests while stoned on marijuana didn't recall as much information as they did when they studied 'straight'. but what this study tried, for the first time, was to have them study under the influence and then TAKE THE TEST equivalently under the onfluence. and THEN, they did just as well!! Apparently the part of the brain accessed while stoned was ONLY really accessible (at least to the same degree) when stoned. |
ziggy wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 09:22 |
but then there is also exile on main st... |
Tomas Danko wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 02:25 |
Ps. If you do Reggae, dub or minimalistic electronica, please ignore this message and carry on as usual. |
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thttp://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/r/quote/true/213 851/2606/itle=hexfix93 wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 21:06] i think if you still do drugs in your 30s. well, thats lame. its time to grow up in different ways, your body doesn't recover as fast from it. and it interferes with your life. bad. |
wwittman wrote on Wed, 17 January 2007 23:07 |
if you have residue from your orgasm I don't think I want to be in the control room with you. or shake your hand. |
Kendrix wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 07:31 |
In 1969 or 70 there was a Peace concert held in NYC/MSG. Several groups did very short sets. Hendrix was the closer. He was lost in another universe and literally could not play. It was terrible. |
wwittman wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 00:27 |
well again, I'm not SUGGESTING people take drugs EITHER... but the moralising and judgmentalism MAKES me want to say: what about the guys who take an enourmous amount of drugs and made amazing, life-changing records and maintain 40 yr careers? they don't count? |
wwittman wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 06:27 |
.....not everyone's "drug" use is a drug PROBLEM. I might say MOST people's use aren't problems for them. |
maxim wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 01:12 |
it's only a problem if it's a PROBLEM ryan wrote: " he did too much acid and went nuts" this has already been discussed, but syd barrett developed a psychotic disorder (most probably, schizophrenia, as was mentioned by roger waters (who knew him well)) it was NOT caused by acid as is oft stated (or mandies or anything else) onset of schizophrenia is a classic example of the attempt to self-medicate with whatever chemicals are at hand |
wwittman wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 23:27 |
not everyone's "drug" use is a drug PROBLEM. |
Version wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 12:16 |
I've never heard of anyone getting in a car wreck because they were under the influence of marijuana. I have heard of people idling in front of a stop sign waiting for it to turn green, though... |
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I can remember seeing This Young Man Wail his Guitar at me. http://www.freewebs.com/paulkossoff/ Please click on the Video to hear him. DEAD! I can't hear him any more. And I don't think that's Alright Now. |
PookyNMR wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 14:09 | ||
Except when we have dealers and gangs shooting up our streets and everyone indiscriminately in their path. Bullets in our children is what I'd call a PROBLEM with the drug trade / drug culture. And then there's what is estimated at 80% of all theft is to support drug useage. Repeatedly getting ripped off is what I call a PROBLEM. |
Les Ismore wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 12:48 |
Pot was demonized in the 30s in an attempt (very successful) to destroy the competition to the pulp paper industry, which was hemp. The wood pulp paper patent owners paid for and produced propaganda films demonizing pot, which eventually led to its prohibition and the destruction of one of the worlds bigggest industries, hemp production. |
Assman wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 15:06 |
If the product they sold were legal it would be dealt with in a legal manner. if the bloods could sue the crips they would, theyd make way more money that way. |
Assman wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 15:06 |
if people are stealing things its because they need money. thats also why people start selling drugs. the violence and crime are much more economic issues than anything else. |
Assman wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 15:06 |
why do people do drugs? to feel better. they're broke, feel hopeless, and dont know how they can even get a chance to better themselves. In many cases they weren't raised well because the people raising them have the same problems they do. |
PP wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 22:25 |
Gee Ryan, what you think? These are the posts that I've written today in the spare time I've had available. Keith: a couple of weeks ago GM unveiled a plug in Hybrid. Hearty Congratulations to GM on winning two prestigious awards at the Detroit Motor Show. This hugely important American Company vital to the economy has a great many workers and their families, dependant on its success. I wish them all well. Thank you Terry, Here?s the latest Engine. http://www.bmwworld.com/engines/12cyl.htm Scroll down to see the fantastic McLaren F1 Engine made by BMW Model S70/2. 0-60 mph time of 3.1 Seconds. As for the 3 Series, coupled to a stiff chassis concept, the drive dynamics were spirited and responsive with a well balanced power train that superseded all in its class. There is a history to the lineage of the 3 Series that continues to tell this same story of a salon car that surprises and rewards the driver with the sporty dynamics of its performance. Here are videos that explain the heritage of the 3 Series. http://www.bmwusa.com/uniquelybmw/bmw_heritage/3series_herit age Click - Watch the Video Parts 1-3. Today that lineage continues. The 3 Series Convertable. http://www.bmwusa.com/ This car uses sun reflective leather in its seats. This is another unbelievable entirely new technology. Today the latest evolution of the 3 Series shares many common components with the 5 Series and the 7 Series. There is a common thread that runs through the entire line. I have been on factory visits, and seen the 3 Series as a Body in White. I have to tell you that the quality of the body's engineering is absolutely staggering. It is superlative. BMW 3 Series Convertibles have been known for incredible top-down driving experiences for 19 years running. The new BMW 3 Series Convertible continues this tradition without any compromise. The very first Convertible based on the BMW 3 Series debuted in 1987 and was the epitome of dynamic performance and sporting elegance. As the first premium manufacturer to launch an open four-seater in this segment, the competition has now become most challenging and fierce, but the BMW 3 Series Convertible remains unique to this very day. Here are some videos that will help you to understand how the Designers - Think and Work. I believe the some of the modern technology you see, will blow your mind. http://www.bmwusa.com/uniquelybmw/Design/default Design Process - Click on Watch Video. The BMW Look - Click on Watch Video. Here are the Heads of Design, taking you round the all Cars, and explaining the Designs look. How they convey movement even when at the kerbside. http://www.bmwusa.com/uniquelybmw/Design/BMWDesignersSpeak.h tm Please Click on the Model Range you are interested in. The 3 series for Terry then - Click on Watch Video. You MUST watch Chris Bangle explaining the Design Philosophy behind the Sporty Z4. It is a something of a revelation. The driver of such a sporty vehicle expects it to sound a certain way. Microphones in the exhaust manifold feedback precisely the right sound via a fold back mechanism to give the driver a sense of the Engines Throaty Power. Yet there is refinement. Too much ROAR and he will tire and become stressed by it on a long journey. There is subtle balance to the sound engineering in this vehicle. Its powerful engine sound is there but will not distract or tire the driver. The owner of a 3 Series will require different sound enginering. He will need to hear certain aspects of the engine performance to inform him as he drives. But will require a far higher degree of road and engine noise suppression. As you go through the various classes of vehicle, a different and higher class of sound engineering is applied to each type of vehicle, to meet the varying expectations of the potential owners. Years ago, car manufacturers were happy if everything on the vehicle worked. (For many makes that was not the case). Today not only must everything work perfectly and look perfect, in terms of fit and finish, but the sound of every moving part must convey to the driver a tonality that reassures him that every part the vehicle is manufactured with is of the very highest quality. If you heard a sound in a manufacturer?s car that was harsh to the ear, you would attribute cheapness and unreliability to that part as you heard it. You would project your dissatisfaction and extend it to the internal parts of the car you cannot see and make a decision about the vehicles quality. It would be a negative appraisal. The tone and sound engineering of every part that makes a sound is carefully worked upon with parts suppliers to ensure that the parts make the right sound. If that means redesigning the part half a dozen times till they get it right that is what they will do. The sound of every moving part should always convey a reassuring sense of quality, reliability and dependability. In order to do this, whole new technologies have been developed to assess sound quality in a technically precise and objective way, but enable engineers to interpret that quality, in terms of the customer?s unconscious decisions that he will attribute about parts he cannot see. Surprisingly, one of the most important details on a car that conveys quality, or its lack, is the Car Door Handle. This is the first thing a Driver touches every single time he climbs into the car, and it is the last thing he touches every time he leaves it. It?s crucial to get details like this exactly correct from a design perspective. Here Chris Bangle tells you what it?s REALLY all about. His Passion . http://www.bmwusa.com/uniquelybmw/Innovations_at_Work.htm Please Click on ? Nothing like a BMW. This is HOW the vehicles are tested. http://www.bmwusa.com/uniquelybmw/Innovations_at_Work.htm Please Click on ? Extreme Testing. This shows among other things The Reknowned Nuremberg Test Simulator. Here's the excellent BMW Innovation Lounge. And the useful Visual Technolgy Guide. http://www.bmw.com/com/en/index_highend.html Browse Around. Turn your SOUND UP! Here you can listen to the Engine Sounds of the BMW 130i / BMW Z43,0i / BMW X54.8is / BMW 650i http://www.bmw.com/com/en/index_highend.html Click on Further Information. As you go through the subjects it will come up. The amazing new BMW Welt. http://www.bmw-welt.com/_common/flash/flash_en.html I hope your estimation of the car you drive, is now entirely appropriate. The latest BMW Engine range has significantly more Brake Horse Power. But also, significantly improved Fuel Economy. This also includes the MINI Range. Which sports markedly improved, vehicle dynamics, and go kart handling drive over the previous model. If you would like to experience more of the Sound Engineering that goes into the MINI. Make sure you have your Sound System switched on and Turned Up. Please Click Here. http://www.mini.co.uk/UK/index.htm For a glimpse of the Three New Models. http://www.mini.co.uk/UK/html/model_range/model_presentation .html#anchor And John Cooper Works Here. http://www.mini.co.uk/UK/html/model_range/john_cooper_works/ home.html To the Left?. Under Explore the JCW Range. Select Sound Kit. Under Select your MINI Select MINI Under Select Date of Manufacture. Select before 11/06 Underneath. Select GO To the Right? Click on?. Tuned Mini Cooper Inside. Tuned Mini Cooper Outside. And.. On The Track. John Cooper. http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCooperSite/motorsport/JohnCo operMotorsport/ To view the Cooper History in F1 and beyond Click Here. http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCooperSite/pages/history/his tory.asp http://www.johncooper.co.uk/JohnCooperSite/pages/history/his tory_main.asp P Let?s bring all these matters into a proper focus and make them fully relevant to the Theme of this Thread. What we?re really talking about is that many of us like to own cars that are really great fun to drive. They are not simply a way to get from A to B. But a way to enjoy getting there. There needn?t even be a B?. This we can achieve with Hydrogen Power. And all that comes out of the tailpipe is Water Vapour. Click Here. http://www.bmw.com/com/en/index_highend.html On the Top ? Right Select BMW Insights. From the drop down menu - BMW Clean Energy. At the Bottom select BMW Hydrogen 7. Underneath Select PHILOSOPHY. Enjoy the Ride! The intro features a great piece of Film. P I?m glad that you enjoyed reading. The paradox is, however, that it is impossible to answer your question without imparting a mass of further information. But?.. Knowledge is Power. And Knowledge Empowers. The idea of this thread is to fill it with all the information anyone who owns a Piano is likely ever to need. If they are faced with questions regarding potentially expensive recommendations, the information herein, and explore able through the hyperlinks may prove to be a tremendously empowering knowledge indeed. I trust so. Please fell free to change them. It is merely a difference of degree. Or change frequency if you prefer that. But the salient point to consider is this. Guitars (and Fretted Instruments) are fingered, or touched by human hands. Now if you worked in an environment which involved Spraying Booths and Ovens. Just face it?. Spray Booth and Oven Knowledge is going to be a real help to you?. You would know that the human finger tip, involves all kinds of acids and chemicals in addition to perspiration, which if placed upon a surface especially prepared for painting, would result in that finger touch being visible, after the paint was cured. Special lint free gloves are therefore necessary in preparation areas to avoid this problem. Factories go to incredible lengths to avoid problems of this kind. Even wearing the wrong kind of deodorant, or using the wrong kind of hand cream, could reek absolute havoc in such an environment. When you touch a Guitar String, these residual finger acids and perspiration, are transferred to the strings, and result in their hasty demise. This is why you should always clean under and over your Guitar Strings after you have played your Guitar. To help remove them. And why Guitar String's and those of other Fretted Instruments are changed on a regular basis. They need to be. Because in a Piano, no such finger contact is involved, thus no acids and perspiration, their tremendously negative effect, is of course not transmitted at all. So the Strings as a consequence, enjoy a far longer life, free from hand contamination, particularly the acids. Can you see? Knowledge Empowers. A good quality Piano, which has been well maintained, carefully looked after and played with respect, should last a very great number of decades, Centuries even. It is necessarily strongly built, and if the advice in this thread is carefully followed, should require little attention other than regular tuning. That is the entire point of this thread. That said particularly if the advice in this thread is not followed. A great many parts will require changing, and Strings are certainly among those. Usually, an odd string here or there may break. The best thing is to keep the broken string if you remove it. You may find a friendly Piano Shop that is willing to sell you an exact replacement. On the other hand, A Shop may take the view that it is a job for a trained craftsman. Regardless, you will find it a great help to have the Make and Serial Number to give which should provide a helpful point of reference for the technician. The name on the fall board may not be name of the actual manufacturer. Look at the Gilded Harp Frame and inside the lid and extract as much information as is possible. If you buy the Piano from new, obtain this information at purchase or delivery and keep it in a folder or envelope in the Piano Stool. If you decide to try to replace the String yourself, a good Micrometer is necessary, as you need to ensure you obtain an exact diameter replacement. You can?t guess this. Towards the bottom of this post are links to trade gauge references that will provide helpful assistance in obtaining the correct gauge treble and bass strings. One advantage of owning a Piano made by a very well known manufacturer like Steinways is that the reference notations, correct gauges, and suitable replacement Strings, are well known and easily obtained worldwide. Sets are easily obtainable. If you have an obscure, rare or historically significant Piano, then you need to choose your Piano Tech only after very careful investigation. Owners of similar Pianos may have helpful advice in this regard. Research and learn before you do anything. It is possible to extend the life of a set of Piano Strings by turning them over, so that they are struck on the other side. This is an enormous task and to my mind it would be better to replace the Strings entirely. There can be manifold problems that beset one, turning strings, and expect, harmonic deadness, to occur sooner than later. Changing the Strings can give a Richer, Fuller, more Powerful Character of Sound. It may make the Piano more Lively to the Ear and Spirited. However it will necessarily alter the Tonal Characteristics of the Piano. And you won?t know if you really like the sound until you affect the change. And then you might not like what you hear. Great instruments take time to mature in Sound. Be sure it really needs doing before you embark. Here are some ways to make use of the Old Strings. To suspend heavy deco items Magicians-- To hang objects so that they look suspended in air To survey and lay out buildings Hat bands A seismograph in Hawaii Hoop dresses for dolls To cut "green" clay before firing Spring manufacturers To remove broken windshields To pull electrical and computer wire through tubes and pipes Cheese cutters Door gongs Yes. But these factors are usually best determined by the manufacturers themselves after a great deal of design work, testing and development. Not by an inexperienced novice. There will be exact replacements recommended, tonally ideal for the specific engineering of a great piano manufacturer like Steinway for instance. Using a different quality, grade, size or type of material in the string may be productive of a great many unforeseen, engineering difficulties. If you don?t like the sound of a Piano. Don?t buy it. Find one you really like the sound of. That's the one to buy. You won?t need to change its Strings if you like their sound, will you? It is not a simple task to change the Strings of a Piano and pull them up to a strain of 20 Tons. (Although certain Piano manufacturers would give tuners 20 minutes to perform this task in a high production facility). Historically piano wire was made of a single metal, such as.. Copper. Brass. Aluminum. Many modern piano wires are made from composites, however, often including.. Carbon. Sulphur. Phosphorus. Silicon. Manganese. The thickness of piano wire can range from 24 gauge, or 0.022 inches (0.5mm), to 6 gauge, or 0.192 inches (4.8mm). Here are the helpful Links.Obtaining Replacement Piano Strings. http://www.stevespianoservice.com/64-wrrep.htmhttp://www.stevespianoservice.com/wirepart.htmhttp://www.stevespianoservice.com/wirebass.htmI hope to soon post a step by step picture guide that will show how a wide variety of Major Piano Overhauls are undertaken. I trust this will be a resource of interest to many. This will involve pictures of String Changing. Finally, many dangers lie in trying to do it yourself, where the considerable tonnage involved in a set of Piano Strings are concerned. It can be hazardous as a careful read though of this thread makes very clear indeed. My firm advice is..Find a good Piano Tech.And leave the work to him.PMax: humidity can rust old strings making them imperfect.bass strings oxidise and get dirty and/or lose tightness in the windings becoming tubby in sound.Indeed this is the case. For more detail on this please read the intial post at the start of the thread.Particularly."But heat and humidity can also affect the strings, in many varying ways, and expansion, may even occur between string windings. Rust is a problem that can result in the worst cases, rusting strings with all the accompanying expense and inconvenience of replacement.You should certainly expect the Piano to play sharper than standard pitch A440 or A443 or A445 in Hot Humid conditions."And Later Here.http://dampp-chaser.com/humidityeffects_n.htmlWhere the detrimental effects of humidity and rust are pictured.PI believe these speakers were originally designed by their special R and D unit and originally intended for use in Yamaha?s earliest electronic forms of Acoustic Pianos which they wanted to develop, but was somewhat before they actually did. They may have used them in some of the very earliest models in certain regions of the world. To faithfully replicate such an incredibly natural, pure sound as a Piano, they required an extremely pure sounding, natural delivery from the sound system. Look at the speaker again. It was designed to approximate in shape, the area of a Piano?s Strings, Harp and Soundboard. It is the extremely linear function of these that it is originally designed to emulate. It is a tailor made solution for a particularly demanding instrument. The Piano has a far wider compass than any other instrument, and an ultra clean bass end. Yamaha recognised that an oblong design of speaker cabinet hung beneath their Pianos was necessary and intrinsic to the design of the instrument. That would have to carry the weight of one of their most desirable and saleable features, their high quality keyboards.But they used newly developed mathematical theories, and calculations relating to utilising the area size and shape of the actual speaker units cone, to overcome the tendency in traditional delivery systems, toward colouring and resonant frequencies. Extremely undesirable elements in a Piano I?m sure you will concur. If you think about the shape of the backs of some Tannoy?s, Kef?s, and very many other Hi-Fi speakers, you can see that these manufacturers have regularly tried to remove the colouration of the cabinet, and minimise resonant frequencies, particularly that of internal standing waves, from the speakers design, by altering the shape of the cabinet to reduce this undesirable effect.Yamaha had this idea turned right on its head, making the speaker cone asymmetrical to minimise the effect of a standing wave within the cabinet, as it moved differing amounts of air to varying degrees on either side. Rather than alter the cabinet itself (As is vogue now) which would have required extremely complex tooling for the period.The squareness one side, compensates for and creates less need of angularity on the opposite side.If you have ever seen the size and shape of such speaker?s cabinets, in Yamaha?s Pianos and Organs, they seem to be crying out to get standing waves. But they don?t get them at all. As far as I know these speakers were entirely reliable when used for the applications, for which they were originally designed. Which as I?ve written originally involved an ultra clean bass end.But ultimately, conventional round woofers and tweeters in the cabinet beneath their keyboards with additional units fitted to the top to simulate the closeness of the ear to the strings in an open topped Grand Piano were settled on as more realistic and became utilised in their Piano?s, (things got a lot more sophiticated), whilst Organs featured a far simpler arrangement, in their speaker cabinets unless an Leslie was incorporated. For advancements in their especially designed DSP Chips (Stanford University should get a round of applause here, John M. Chowning and CCRMA?s Julius O. Smith III in particular) and by Yamaha's Digital Piano Division?s R and D utilising highly complex cabinet designs, complemented the traditional speaker units, and utilised sophisticated acoustic solutions, to assist the simulation of Piano like characteristics. And has been a hall mark of Yamaha?s continuous stream of improvement in this area ever since. http://www.clavinova.co.uk/ClavPianos_V1.0.swfToday some of their better Clavinova?s even feature built in mics to simulate the effect of the Piano?s placement. iAFC ? advanced DSP technology; rear speakers and cabinet microphones combine to reproduce the nuances of an acoustic piano and the reverberation and resonance of a stage performance. It is an ongoing saga they are still trying to further improve upon.Rear mounted speakers simulate the characteristics our ears are used to bearing in mind the room soundboard placement of common Vertical Piano?s.They tried these asymmetric units, and attempted to utilise them where ever they could to get the value from the investment in tooling and production facilities. I believe the change back to conventional units was hastened after these extremely revolutionary units, proved troublesome when used in other applications, where they gained an unwanted notoriety. If you think about where you would have been most likely to find the problem of powerfully resonant frequencies, in Musical Instrument sound delivery systems of this period, it would not take long for you to think of a Bass Guitar Amp. Many of the lesser Bass Amps of this period were relatively poor in this respect compared to today?s offerings, as I recall. Unfortunately, the original, and unique design solution, the speaker cone utilised, mounted in this application, was, given the powerful Bass Guitar characteristics and heavily boosted force of bottom end EQ involved, a wholly inappropriate solution altogether. It was the wrong horse for the wrong course. And a corner was turned, within Yamaha Corporation.As Yamaha Organs were the biggest selling electronic keyboard Musical Instrument Worldwide, for them in the era in which they utilised these speaker units. It is Organs that people most readily remember them in. A number of manufacturers produced Organs with internal Leslies. I remember working with Harold Smart (a UK TV Organist) who used a Thomas Organ and the Thomas had its own internal version of the Leslie. Lowry as well. http://theatreorgans.com/hammond/keng/kenhtml/Thomas%20Organ s%20Page.htmhttp://www.harmony-music.co.uk/thomas.htm Just to help those unfamiliar with what is being discussed.The speaker was fixed inside the cabinet. A large Styrofoam wheel was hung in front of the speaker. The Styrofoam wheel rotated on an axel. Usually a belt from the axel took power from an electrical motor below. Tremolo and Celeste were the two normal settings in most Organs with a winding up and winding down period between the two spin speeds. The solid Styrofoam wheel looked quite large on all those I have seen personally, and had an internal sloping ramp area with a special sound outlet which was a sort of scoop, designed to catch the output from the excursion of the speaker?s cone, scoop it up and throw it around and out, through its circular motion. As was stated, they were mounted on a horizontal axis.PPlease leave it up?. The humour was obvious. And amusingly funny really. But the humorous point sound. These were necessarily extremely clean sounding speakers.PWell, I can certainly say with some authority that Mr. Clapton hasn?t suddenly lost all of his ability. He could sit down NOW and play all that stuff that rocks your socks, just as well as he could when he laid down those tracks originally, and with a rather better sound quality altogether I feel.He doesn?t need to do that anymore, because he?s free from a lot of things that he was into, that were greatly unhelpful to him. Thank the Lord! But make no mistake he could literally blow you away, with his blues artistry right now.But he wouldn?t have an outburst like a volcano erupting if you touched his Guitar as it stood upon its stand. And I think that?s a very much better balanced way to live.Ultimately, the way we live is a pretty important aspect to life, in particular its longevity. And with drugs, longevity is a real issue for a great many former users.I remember a former colleague in the Music Business. Dead and still a very Young Man. I can remember seeing This Young Man Wail his Guitar at me. http://www.freewebs.com/paulkossoff/Please click on the Video to hear him.DEAD!I can't hear him any more. And I don't think that's Alright Now.I remember Jimi Hendrix.DEAD!I Remember Syd Barrett.DEAD!I remember Keith Moon. DEAD!With all their talent and life before them. Dead as YOUNG MEN!And countless others, who became so messed up in their minds with drugs that they were no longer able to function with the rest of the world. Make no mistake, over time, soft or hard drugs take their toll upon the mental condition, personality and bodily health of those that use them. Even with so called Soft Drugs the potential for harm is enormous.It is a fact that Mental Health Issue?s such as Paranoia and Increased Risk of Cancer have been scientifically proven to be linked to Marijuana use. But the risks don?t stop there. Contrary to widespread knowledge, wider scientific studies are increasingly proving it to be addictive.But its not just what we commonly think of as 'drugs'.One of the finest session musicians on this side of the Atlantic was reduced to drinking Cough Medicine. What an utter waste. He could no longer function professionally. Amongst working professional musicians the over use of Alcohol is of serious concern. One of my favourite Bass player?s Jamie Jamerson, long troubled by alcoholism died of complications stemming from cirrhosis of the liver, heart failure and pneumonia.To be honest I have always been a great admirer of People like (Fill me up with coffee), Hal Blaine, Jim Osbourne, and the many great session men that were professional enough to avoid the worst of this nonsense. You see, the thing is with drugs, of any kind, is that it can weaken your body?s abilities to defend itself. You become more vulnerable and susceptible, particularly where life threatening illnesses are concerned.That certainly is the case with Marijuana use. The Professor of Pharmacology here at Oxford University found the Brains of young people who were heavy Marijuana users, had Brain Atrophy equal to that of 70-90 year olds. It is solidly the case, that the part of the Brain responsible for short term memory, the hippocampus, is severely affected.I should explain that (for some reason beyond my comprehension) I am allowed to attend all kinds of lectures, that most people would be prohibited from attending. And I go to attend talks sometimes at The Radcliffe Hospital a Centre of Excellent for Brain Research, and listen to Brain Surgeons give their lectures. I believe they know what they are talking about, and thank them for what I am sure is their extreme patience, when I ask them simple questions.Increased loss of Sex Drive and Impotency is another side effect as is a decrease in testosterone levels. In women the menstrual cycle is disturbed and premature and under weight children are common as are miscarriages.Chromosome damage has also been linked to Marijuana use. This is extremely serious affecting the unborn.Genetically, defects are hereditarily passed on via the altered character of certain genes. For recent scientific research has shown increased risks to the children of users. They are 10 Times more likely to contract leukaemia. Cancer of the Blood or Bone Marrow. And this is a so called Soft Drug?I suppose I see the need for Drug use as an inner need, a lack of inner resources, and a sign of weakness really.Amazingly, I was speaking to a young man the other day about drugs who was telling all about the use of.. Horse Tranquilisers among the youngsters. How pathetically tragic to fall to such an incredibly low place.If ever there was a sign that young people?s lives were empty, void and were crying out for something to give a sense of purpose and meaning, this surely must tell us that.In the Business world, the problem of social drug use, has become an increased expensethat gets past on to every consumer. The number of days off taken after getting high at drug sessions is an increasing difficulty and a burden for business.Regular non attendance at work means additional people have to be taken on to provide cover. This is a direct cost everyone pays for. The problem of mistakes caused by inattention is both costly and potentially dangerous to other workers. This is another cost, especially if someone is injured in an industrial setting. There's nothing 'cool' about killing your work mate, because you were high a day or two ago. But this kind of problem unfortunately has to be dealt with. What a complete disgrace to the human race. How utterly selfish.Today Major Employers have therefore become very sophisticated in their testing and monitoring of employees behaviour, and have to pay for and provide detection methods and try to provide support and help where they can.Ultimately they are in business. And drugs are a negative factor any successful business can well do without.And all this quite apart from the crime and prostitution that drug use is regularly linked to. I remember Sir George Martin long ago quite deliberately making a point that drug use has never added anything of artistic quality or value to music.He is extremely serious about this, despite his personal charm when puting forward his point, and is completely set against the idea that drug use for artistic reasons have any merit whatever.I for one believe him.I found an interview.Where Sir George Martin is discussing The Beatles and drug use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=falCPCX7_JA&mode=related& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;search=He begins. ?Well drug use is stupid.? PSo Ryan,Given the actual level of thoughtful reflection you have indicated you have applied to these deeply serious matters?For we are writing about illegal activity, that results in Death, Injury, Illness, Suffering and all manner of Crime... What do you think? Tell you what, use a Google search engine and see for yourself?Had you actually bothered to read my post BEFORE replying to it you would have discovered the no less a person than..Sir George Martin himself, states quite categorically, entirely the opposite to what you claim.For Sir George is on Video in my post saying precisely the opposite to you!I find it difficult to comprehend your maladroitness, torpidity and insouciant somnolence.But?. Either you are right.And Sir George Martin is wrong.Or Sir George Martin is right. And you are wrong.I would suggest that his depth of experience in these matters is rather more trustworthy altogether. A reasonable assumption I feel. P |
RSettee wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 16:29 |
PP, did you take the time to type all that out, or was most of it a cut and paste? I didn't read most of it, seeing as that it was an essay, haha, but I think that I get the gist of what you're saying. I'm not saying that people have to die young,I am, however, saying that in the case of a guy like Clapton, his stuff while he was under the influence was much better than when he wasn't. In his case, age and maybe branching out could be definite factors, as one doesn't just want to repeat themselves, but here's my other point: if you're using to become better creatively, then you're still doing something that you won't be able to recreate when you're sober and straight. That was my original point. In that case, if you become someone different when you use, and can't recreate it when you're not using, then maybe it's not such a great idea. |
maxim wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 03:09 |
my favourite conspiracy theory is that the enforcement agencies are all on the take, and, therefore, unlikely, to challenge the status quo it's all bunkum, of course |
PookyNMR wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 17:50 | ||||||
Do you really believe that? I don't think the bloods, crips, hells angels or any other organized (or unorganized)crime gang would start being gentlmenly if drugs were legalized to sell.
To restate my point, 80% of theft is to support drug habits. The economics are that they do need money - to buy more drugs. Many deal, for quick cash because they're too lazy to do an honest job and capitolize on a human weakness.
Yes. Lots of voids to fill. |
Assman wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 11:39 |
yes i do believe that if all the gangs and organized crime groups were conducting a legal business, then the problems they have with one another (or whoever for that matter) will be dealt with in a legal manner. |
Assman wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 11:39 |
I just wonder why some people can't live with other people doing what THEY want to. (provided it does not affect others of course) |
RSettee wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 12:25 |
PP, I don't care if you're god himself, I wouldn't have taken the time to read that from anyone, let alone the lack of paragraphs and the fact that it reads as one gigantic long word. Chill out...it sounds condescending and preachy. I however on the other hand was still at least trying to consider the other side's equation, because my friend, I have been on the other side, and some of my own drug use might have permanently put me in certain perspectives that might not be beneficial to me. The drugs I have used: marijuana, oil, hash, acid, mushrooms. I've seen the effects, it gave me perspective that I never would have had had I not used, but the reason that I do not use anymore, is because like I say, when paranoia and other artifacts are entering the equation, you DO either quit or end up in a mental institution. I'm not sure if you realize that you're "preaching" to someone who's seen that side. You're not telling me anything that I haven't experienced, firsthand. But I would be lying if I said that it didn't now give me a sober approach to unsober record making. As great an engineer as George Martin is--and as much as he lent to the albums' sound, production and presentation--it was the Beatles, themselves that wrote the songs, and love it or leave it, their best work was created under the influence. To be perfectly clear, AGAIN, to people that don't understand what i'm saying: I am not pro OR anti drug. But alot of the records from the 60's and 70's that are held up in extremely high regard, were created under the influence, and as good or bad as this is, that's the truth. Anyway, i'm done with this thread, as what was once a civil discussion is taking a turn for the worse in half truths, misunderstandings, and (most likely) advice from those who haven't seen the extremely high side and the effects that it brings. |
John Ivan wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 15:35 |
...l. I would say, I'll leave it up to him to decide whether drug use is generally a good idea or not regarding making those records. Also, he really did co-write most of that music. .... |
wwittman wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 18:04 | ||
oh PLEASE. |
wwittman wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 05:05 |
I think it's a fool's errand to compare a musician's work at age 25 to his work at age 60 and draw the conclusion that drugs, or changes in his drug use one way or the other, are the major reason for the differences. One might likely say that the 60 yr old McCartney is less edgy as a musician than the 25 yr old, but he's used marijuana all along (by most accounts) yet one might also likely say that the 60 yr old Clapton, who gave up his younger day drug use, is ALSO less edgy than his 25 yr old self. drugs have nothing to do with either. |
maxim wrote on Sun, 21 January 2007 02:47 |
ivan wrote: "without doing so much damage.." how much damage from weed and tripping? you can't exactly kill yourself with those things the only organ that may have suffered is your lungs, but it's nothing compared to what 20 cigarettes a day can do to your alveoli if you have stopped inhaling smoke, your cilia can regenerate (albeit at a slower rate than when you were younger) |
wwittman wrote on Sat, 20 January 2007 05:05 |
I think it's a fool's errand to compare a musician's work at age 25 to his work at age 60 and draw the conclusion that drugs, or changes in his drug use one way or the other, are the major reason for the differences. |
maxim wrote on Mon, 22 January 2007 01:05 |
i just wish people wouldn't dump all the "drugs" in one basket (unless one goes shopping in one of those dutch "pharmacies") alcohol and cocaine are very different beasts to marijuana and lsd nicotine, opiates(inc heroin, morphine and codeine) and alcohol can and will ruin your life (even if you may appear to function on the outside) amphetamines (inc speed, cocaine, ice, ecstacy, pseudoephedrine etc) can screw you up for a while if you take them regularly, but are, relatively, harmless if used in the short term caffeine and marijuana are used regularly by a LOT of people without any significant side-effects to long term health (other than the smoke inhalation issues mentioned earlier) lsd, mescaline, psilocybin, ketamine and other hallucinogens are "single-use" drugs and are not "habit-forming" |