Post by: Pingu on April 15, 2006, 04:29:05 AM
Post by: jetbase on April 15, 2006, 04:42:48 AM
cheers,
glenn
Post by: Dave Martin on April 15, 2006, 05:14:36 PM
Post by: Tidewater on April 15, 2006, 06:44:15 PM
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Post by: Fibes on April 15, 2006, 07:24:22 PM
| Dave Martin wrote on Sat, 15 April 2006 17:14 |
Typically I use no EQ to tape. |
For vocals I use EQs but they come in the form of mics, mic placement, room treatment and as mentioned in the compression thread the almighty eq called the compressor.
During mix all bets are off but if I've done my job it'll only be minor valleys and a touch of air if the mood is right.
Post by: John Ivan on April 16, 2006, 03:38:21 AM
I do high pass almost every vocal though.
I EQ toms though
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Post by: wwittman on April 16, 2006, 12:53:36 PM
Post by: danickstr on April 16, 2006, 01:26:11 PM
Post by: Pingu on April 16, 2006, 01:58:35 PM
Before or after compressing?
If you did use an eq and a compressor, in what order would you set them up?
Post by: Tidewater on April 16, 2006, 02:12:29 PM
You don't want the compressor detecting, and over-reacting to the stuff you don't want in the first place.
The art of loading the compressor too... there is a black art, between certain pieces of gear.
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Post by: Pingu on April 16, 2006, 04:21:41 PM
then compressor, then eq to taste if needed.
How much bottom end to roll off.
Some pres have the hp switch which is normally about 80hz,
Is this too much roll off?
May be not as in the mix you night not need to have this area fighting the rest of the mix.
But then again shouldn't the mix be built around the vocal?
Therefore should we not keep as much vocal as possible?
Also isn't the formant around this area?
Post by: John Ivan on April 16, 2006, 05:26:30 PM
Just make stuff sound real good.
JI.......................................................... ....
Post by: maxim on April 17, 2006, 07:24:09 AM
i found it helpful to go back and muck around with the high pass settings on some tracks once in the context of the final mix
but then i don't know what i'm doing
Post by: danickstr on April 17, 2006, 11:31:05 AM
you can use your own voice for example by making the roll-off sound like you do in your own head. 10dB at 120 is not too much if the person is really close to the mic, but others will spit soda on their screens if they see this. they are idiots that do not understand mic proximity bass relationships.
telephonic sounding vocals are often desirable for popular music, but I like natural. just not with bass effect.
Post by: Fig on April 17, 2006, 05:31:10 PM
| John Ivan wrote on Sun, 16 April 2006 16:26 |
Man, Just listen to stuff. Plug the shit in. Listen to what is coming out of the speaker's. Start turning knobs until you dig it. Or, don't turn any knobs because you already dig it. There are no rules that say to use or not use an EQ. As Mr. Wittman has pointed out. If you think EQ will sound good use it. Just make stuff sound real good. |
Yeah c'mon,
Ping-let, if you ask one more question before trying at least ten different scenarios, I'm gonna punch you in the gut!
Your next post MUST state at least two scenarios you tried and what you liked or did not like about each one.
Now get to work!
Sheesh...
[rant]
the only audio argument older than "digi Vs. annie" is "eq before or after the compressor".
Both do different things, try them and you will know for yourself. Ask questions on a forum and wonder forever.
At least do a search or something.
arrrrrgh!!!! [/rant!]
Luv ya,
Fig
Post by: bloodstone on April 18, 2006, 01:22:40 AM
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Post by: Vertigo on April 18, 2006, 10:32:07 AM
| Quote: |
For vocals I use EQs but they come in the form of mics, mic placement, room treatment and as mentioned in the compression thread the almighty eq called the compressor. |
| Quote: |
Man, Just listen to stuff. Plug the shit in. Listen to what is coming out of the speaker's. Start turning knobs until you dig it. Or, don't turn any knobs because you already dig it. There are no rules that say to use or not use an EQ. As Mr. Wittman has pointed out. If you think EQ will sound good use it. |
My sentiments exactly! You just keep trying things until you hear the sound that you WANT to hear. Start with the mic - find what sounds closest to the sound you're looking for. If you're 95% of the way there but there's a little too much or too little of something and you think it will be a problem at mixdown, reach for the EQ.
-Lance
Post by: Fibes on April 18, 2006, 10:48:37 AM
It's all relative and 95% of the way there could be 100% at mix time.
Since the vocals are usually the most important piece in the ensemble I try not to neuter them just because i can. Get them right without getting into eq phase issues at the start and you'll be better off. If you have limited mic choices and no placement is working try some eq but usually if i'm not happy the vocalist isn't happy.
BTW sometimes it's best to just throw a mic up there and get the performance. Yep, that damn performance.
Post by: hargerst on April 18, 2006, 11:48:35 AM
Of course after two weeks have gone by, the singer has probably changed the emotion they bring to the song, so the punch-in never works, and I end up retracking the whole damn vocal anyway.
Post by: wwittman on April 21, 2006, 12:32:01 AM
I suppose I tend to do a QUICK little bit of fishing around for the right vocal mic (from a small group of contenders that repeatedly work well for me) and then unless it sounds "wrong" I'm not at all shy to put a bit of top in it or a bit of bottom or whatever.
That of course, doesn't mean i don't change mics, or more often ask the singer to move in or out, or go out and adjust the height to look right to me, and so on.
But if it needs some EQ I never worry about it, I just do it.
I don't have any preconception that EQ is "bad".