Post by: The2and4 on August 11, 2006, 07:09:31 AM
I am moving my little studio to the basement of our home in Los Angeles. About 283 square feet. Sort of a rectangle and has 10 foot ceilings. It's a one room setup, the priorities are recording drums and mixing.
I'm on a tight budget (of course), and I prefer to gently coerce the sound of the room with simple, well-placed treatment as opposed to big panels all over everything.
Who do I call for professional advice about soundproofing the ceiling and treating the room? How much should I expect to pay for consultation?
Big thanks, people!
Post by: Hud Hudson on August 11, 2006, 10:49:32 AM
www.cupsnstrings.com
Post by: hargerst on August 11, 2006, 11:36:40 AM
Post by: watusi on August 11, 2006, 11:54:22 AM
i don't remember seeing many of those when i lived there...
Post by: Ethan Winer on August 11, 2006, 02:50:33 PM
A good acoustic treatment company will be glad to offer that sort of advice for free as part of the purchase of their products.
--Ethan
Post by: doughiggins on August 11, 2006, 03:34:12 PM
| Ethan Winer wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 11:50 |
> I'm on a tight budget (of course), and I prefer to gently coerce the sound of the room with simple, well-placed treatment as opposed to big panels all over everything. < A good acoustic treatment company will be glad to offer that sort of advice for free as part of the purchase of their products. --Ethan |
Yeah, do you know of any good acoustic treatment company's that will offer that sort of advice for free with the purchase of their products???
Post by: CHANCE on August 11, 2006, 04:20:46 PM
Post by: Bob Olhsson on August 11, 2006, 04:31:20 PM
| hargerst wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 10:36 |
George Augspurger at Perception, Inc. |
Post by: blairl on August 11, 2006, 04:33:25 PM
Each vendor may be able to offer some general guidelines, but being unfamiliar with all products to be used, the whole picture may not be clear. You'll want a good balance of treatment. You won't want your room to be too dead. If you buy treatment for early reflections from one guy and buy broadband bass traps from another, you may end up with too much HF damping in the room when combined.
An acoustician will be able to calculate exactly how much material is needed to treat different areas of the audio spectrum in order to get the decay time right for your room. It's not as simple as saying, "put a couple of panels here and there." What are the dimensions of your room? What materials were used to build the walls? Sheet-rock. OK, how thick is the sheet-rock? Single layer, double layer? Is there a cement wall behind the sheet-rock or an adjoining room? Carpet, tile, or wood floor? All of these things and more need to be considered in order for the acoustician to specify how much early reflection treatment, broadband bass treatment, tuned bass treatment and diffusion is necessary to get your decay time along the entire audio spectrum under control. In smaller rooms bass trapping is going to be particularly important. Speaker placement in relation to the walls and listening position is also something that a good acoustician will be able to specify.
Post by: bblackwood on August 11, 2006, 05:28:53 PM
Post by: Ethan Winer on August 12, 2006, 12:31:10 PM
> do you know of any good acoustic treatment company's that will offer that sort of advice for free with the purchase of their products??? <
Yes.
See here:
Post by: Ethan Winer on August 12, 2006, 02:03:28 PM
I agree with all of the advice above. If you have the budget for a pro acoustic consultant, it's money well spent.
Post by: The Resonater on August 12, 2006, 05:50:53 PM
Post by: The2and4 on August 14, 2006, 02:23:55 AM
Anyone else?
Post by: hargerst on August 14, 2006, 01:09:55 PM
| The2and4 wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 01:23 |
Alright now, that's exactly what I'm talkin' about, thank you very much! Anyone else? |
And if you use George Augspurger, tell him Harvey Gerst sent ya. It'll either get you a discount, or get you thrown out on your ear.
George and I worked together at JBL back in the 60's, and we lived in a duplex (him on one side, me on the other).
Post by: bushwick on August 14, 2006, 02:04:25 PM
510-649-9254
He consulted on my room and I am very, very happy. You can check out his page at Bobhodas.com.
Best,
j
Post by: The2and4 on August 16, 2006, 02:20:45 PM
| hargerst wrote |
And if you use George Augspurger, tell him Harvey Gerst sent ya. It'll either get you a discount, or get you thrown out on your ear. |
I hope it's the former. I've been pricing materials for soundproofing the ceiling...yikes.
In an attempt to save money, I'm thinking about taking care of the soundproofing separately. Anyone using that Quietrock 545 stuff?
Thanks again!
Post by: L_Tofastrud on September 05, 2006, 04:02:20 PM
While their STC ratings are good we prefer to use several layers of regular drywall because of the added mass and better low-frequency performance.
Lars T
Post by: jfrigo on September 05, 2006, 10:26:20 PM
Post by: franman on September 05, 2006, 10:58:35 PM
Post by: The2and4 on November 19, 2006, 12:33:28 PM
| L_Tofastrud wrote on Tue, 05 September 2006 21:02 |
"that Quietrock 545 stuff" While their STC ratings are good we prefer to use several layers of regular drywall because of the added mass and better low-frequency performance. Lars T |
Aha!
GTK!
Post by: The2and4 on November 16, 2007, 09:55:35 PM
| watusi wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 08:54 |
a house with a basement in LA? i don't remember seeing many of those when i lived there... |
Yes, we put in the basement under a new addition. This ate up most of the budget...not the wisest investment real estate-wise, but necessary to do my thing on the fabulous
west side of town. I had to sacrifice some ceiling height to beef up the insulation from the bedroom above. It ended up at about 9'5".I went with 2 layers of drywall with green glue, backer rod, and a 5 inch air gap. Will be using a Fleetwood window, still working on finding the right permanent dorr. Floors will be sealed concrete with a couple of area rugs.
I will probably buy one of the RealTrap packages and also build a couple of big ol' bass traps, maybe a diffuser or two.
As far as the sound of the room, I believe I will enjoy experimenting with treatment and finding the best possible sound. As for the "soundproofness"..... there's only one way to find out how well that works, and the suspense is killing me.
Again thanks to one and all for the help!