j.hall wrote on Mon, 12 January 2009 11:11 |
1176, attack knob on "3". i'm compressing the crap out of it....... |
bob ebeling wrote on Fri, 09 January 2009 21:39 |
I've been engineering for 20+ years and 90% of the time I use a compressor I go to the fastest release and the slowest attack. |
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In recent years I've explored and managed to speed some attack times up, as well as slow some release times down. However, the fast attack thing is still somewhat of a mystery to me. It always seems weird to hear mastering guys talk about needing faster times. |
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Part of this could be just defining fast I guess. For instance, my Alan Smart C1, when at it's slowest attack is at 30 milliseconds, which is pretty fast. But then there is the Tube Tech CL1B, where I love to have that attack knob fully clockwise usually (especially for vocals). I like to set that knob near the middle of the range (12 oclock) for drum overheads. Grabs quite violently then. |
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So my question to all is; When do you use fast attack times? |
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On what sounds? |
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AND with what compressors? |
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How much gain reduction? |
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What release times in conjunction? |
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I don't think you really get me though. Far from being in a rut or a 'safe' engineer, |
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I'm more looking for interesting applications, of which you threw out glockenspeil and triangle. Those are intersting, I guess percussion in general like tambourine's would be a very interesting place to try faster times. That is a great suggestion, even as I think about it I am imagining 'pushing' the tambourine back into the mix. |
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'Use your ears'...uh, yeah. 'Just turn knobs and do what's cool'...uh, right. |
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I also disagree that optical comps 'need not apply' to do fast jobs. The mentioned Tube-tech cl1b does some amazing things to a mono overhead drum mic when dialed faster. |
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Your answers about 'whichever is fast, whatever can do it, etc..' uh, yeah. I thought this would be a good subject for people to share some specific settings, not discuss basic philosophy. |
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But definitely thanks for the percussion idea. |
bob ebeling wrote on Tue, 13 January 2009 19:53 |
Amazing post Fig. Thanks so much. |
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I'm just at aplace where I need to understand more regardless. |
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Thanks again Fig, very very helpful. |
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What comps do you typically use on your vocals? |
bob ebeling wrote on Wed, 14 January 2009 09:13 |
Fig, on the DBX tip, yeah, there is something unique with the vector concept. I mean, I've hauled around a 160vu forever and it's unique. When tracking loud vocals or punchy hip-hop vocals where they are constantly changing their emphasis, just tapping the meter at 2:1 on a 160vu is like a brick-wall limiter. Once again, I don't even know what the fixed attack and release times are, but guessing I would think the attack is 50-80? The slower side of fast. Using it for vocals leaves me with one issue usually, that it's harder to bring them forward more than where they sit when tracked. |
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What dbx stuff do you use? |
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I've heavily considered grabbing a 162 to run hell-on-earth 'fruity loops' tracks through. |
bob ebeling wrote on Wed, 21 January 2009 07:44 |
The old one. I've owned one before, I just can't remember that much about it, but I know it's closely related to the 160 vu. |
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How do you like the 160s? What do you like it for? |
grantis wrote on Wed, 14 January 2009 18:07 | ||
First compressor varies. Usually I start with the Digidesign Dyn3 plugin. If that doesn't do it, I'll try the Massey comp. 90% of the time, one of those will work well. Second compressor, is almost always an 1176. |
bob ebeling wrote on Fri, 09 January 2009 19:39 |
I've been engineering for 20+ years and 90% of the time I use a compressor I go to the fastest release and the slowest attack. In recent years I've explored and managed to speed some attack times up, as well as slow some release times down. However, the fast attack thing is still somewhat of a mystery to me. It always seems weird to hear mastering guys talk about needing faster times. Part of this could be just defining fast I guess. For instance, my Alan Smart C1, when at it's slowest attack is at 30 milliseconds, which is pretty fast. But then there is the Tube Tech CL1B, where I love to have that attack knob fully clockwise usually (especially for vocals). I like to set that knob near the middle of the range (12 oclock) for drum overheads. Grabs quite violently then. So my question to all is; When do you use fast attack times? On what sounds? AND with what compressors? How much gain reduction? What release times in conjunction? |