Level wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 14:53 |
LOL Brad!!! What is so bad about all of this...it is fraud. PT Barnum style. |
lucey wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 15:57 |
There is still nothing in this example that explains why Canare Star Quad and Mogami, two common +4 cables, sound different. |
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Yet Transparent's little trick on this one cable does not defeat the lifetime of work by manufacturers like Robert Lee at Acoustic Zen |
dcollins wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 21:12 | ||
lucey wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 10:08
Yeah, we looked at this before. The guy is completely full of it! Wasn't he the fellow where all his college chums went on to be big-deal scientists and he's stuck being a "cable designer?" Ask him how a crystal in the cable contributes to "smooth sound?" DC |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 26 July 2004 16:23 |
i'm not trying to fire you up.....i'm just pointing out hard facts |
Level wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 13:20 |
What do the ears tell you? This is the acid test..as how ciruits interact audibly is more meaningful than said therory and conjecture. |
lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 12:47 |
Fact is that cynical humor is not that funny to me. |
lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:04 |
(the fact is brothers of fact seeking that at the root of every joke lies a seed of truth. there is no innocent humor, it always has meaning on some level, intentional or not, self-aware or not. And since the moderator didn't see the implied message he was sending, he was unable to diffuse the message with some real content.) |
j.hall wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:38 |
can i please tell you about my mother now Mr. Freud |
Level wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 13:20 |
What do the ears tell you? This is the acid test.. |
bblackwood wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 15:34 |
Lucey, if you wish to discuss the cables, you are welcome to, but to continue to post things insinuating this whole thread is an elaborate attempt to undermine your argument for cable tone is ludicrous and more than a little arrogant... |
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I state again, I started this thread as I thought it more than a little humorous (if not sad) that people will spend that much dough for a simple $3 circuit that changes the speaker, from the amp's perspective. It has nothing to do with cable 'tone, just an interesting find. |
Level wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 16:33 |
D. None of us have heard the damn thing but the pictures speak for themselves. |
lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 10:47 |
Who 'looked into it'? And how exactly did you do that? |
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Lee is a cellist for your smart ass information, and he chose his profession, and enjoys it. |
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Get your facts straight, Mr. Facts and Figures. |
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His cables are also not that expensive. Not at cost. |
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Nor are some of the cables form Cardas. |
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i'm a geetar player |
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Triad cable lifts: "Odd as it may seem, laying audio cables on an artificial fiber carpet will immediately dull the sound of your stereo. And that’s true for all cables, not just our Clearview wires. Unfortunately, the carpet is a huge mass of low quality insulation (dielectric). It absorbs and smears energy from the field around the wire. The effect is pretty grim, making music sound both dulled and harsh. A simple ear-tested solution is to raise the cables off the carpet by at least 8 inches." |
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"RN60D 26R7F", for those that are curious |
dcollins wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 19:20 |
And that's Mr. Listens Critically for a Living, to you. |
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Yes, I'm sure his cost is like a buck per foot.
Cardas has a patent, you know. |
Gold wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 10:21 |
For $800 he could at least use a Holco or Caddock. |
Bob Olhsson wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 15:23 | ||
But then what would he use in the $1200 version? |
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 10:29 | ||
Well, if we're going to go there...
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lucey wrote on Tue, 27 July 2004 18:47 |
This example by Brad was another attempt to win the debate that can't be won or lost. On some level, it makes his point. So your "facts" are wrong .. I did not "start" anything. Humor is a good way to make a point ... reminds me of Fletcher a bit. I just wish it was clean humor ... |
dcollins wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 19:28 |
A vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp! |
Bob Olhsson wrote on Sat, 31 July 2004 23:11 | ||
NOS, of course! Did I ever tell you about grinding the vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp resistors up to spec for our first batch of 8 Motown equalizers? For that matter did I ever tell you about our shop's ultimate dual-motor slotcar? |
Level wrote on Tue, 03 August 2004 18:57 |
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/intercon nects/speakercable2p2.php |
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 04 August 2004 09:06 |
I've tried it in the past and heard no diff, but who knows. In theory, it should be no different... |
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Any chance that the diff was simply a better, less-oxidized connection? |
bblackwood wrote on Wed, 04 August 2004 16:06 |
In theory, it should be no different... |
davidc wrote on Sat, 07 August 2004 05:59 | ||
Well I would have thought the ground loop between the amp and the speakers could easily make a difference! |
dcollins wrote on Wed, 28 July 2004 19:28 |
A vintage Allen-Bradley carbon comp! DC |
Poyser wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 07:13 |
This is a German cable and feels different to every other cable you’ve seen used for the Electric Guitar. It’s quite thick and very very stiff indeed, and certainly does deliver an improved high end. |
Poyser wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 06:52 |
Q: “I'm unaware of anyone who doesn't agree that cables can and do make a difference wrt very small signals at unusual impedances (gtr cables).” |
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In fact, it has to be said, the guitarist’s themselves are often the most unusual element of all in the whole equation…. Ask Dave Collins…. |
bblackwood wrote on Tue, 12 April 2005 07:26 |
I contend that at line level (and speaker) that two cables of similar measurements will not sound different, but agree that the smallest, most easily abused signal we deal with (gtr cables) can and do make a difference... |
lucey wrote on Sun, 17 April 2005 14:39 | ||
I spent 2 hours yesterday with Requisites newest solid core cable, my beloved Cardas cheapy cable called 2/23.5M, Zaolla silver and the Mogami patchbay cabling. |
AlanS wrote on Sun, 17 April 2005 12:50 |
Brian, Have you tried blind-testing the files with a DAW or something like PC ABX? |
dcollins wrote on Sun, 17 April 2005 17:20 | ||
I heard someone refer to wire tests as "faith-based" the other day... DC |
Level wrote on Sun, 17 April 2005 19:37 |
They Have Ronny, its called 2.2ghz...subjectively better for telephones..... Of course...some, won't be happy unless it is 50ghz. |
Ronny wrote on Mon, 18 April 2005 14:31 |
Sorry brad I know it ain't a mastering topic, but I sure would like to hear what other say, is D major, a D major add 3, or a Bm that is starting the arpeggio with an F#. All inputs from guitarist and keyboardist are quite welcome. Thanks, |