Thomas Lester wrote on Wed, 22 December 2004 11:31 |
I know that sounded like a strange question, so here's my preface: 80% of my recording background is all Analog. 2" 24 track or locked 48 Track analog mixing on SSL's or Neve's (and occasionally a harrison at one place). Over the last few years, I've worked on some lower budget project that have been all DAW based. I.e. tracked in the box, edited in the box, mixed in the box. So.. my experience has been pure analog and pure DAW. Now... I'm about to start a couple of projects that is going to be what most of you are probably used to. I'm going to track into the DAW (PT and with one project Nuendo), but I'll be mixing in SSL rooms (4000's on all but one project that'll be on a 9000J). Do you guys only use the DAW as a multi track and editor or are you actually doing some of the mixing in the box, too? I.e. are you using plugs, effects, etc in the box? If so, how are you deciding what you mix on the desk (i.e. dynamics, efx, etc) vs. what you use in the box? Just curious... my first thought was I'd do it just like I do when I'm mixing all analog.... but then I started thinking... and that lead me to this post. Thanks, Thomas |
Thomas Lester wrote on Wed, 22 December 2004 19:29 |
Here's my big question... and I can think of a couple of "hacks" to get around this, but... If I'm mixing away... let's say, I have guitars coming out to channels on the console and I'm happily mixing away... Now... I decide somewhere in the mix process that I want to put a plug in delay on the guitars. I instantiate my plug and all is well. Now I decide my guitar is too loud and I bring it down ON THE CONSOLE. Since my DAW doesn't know that I've lowered the guitars in the mix, my send to the delay is now too hot. So... sending (not inserts) from the DAW, but mixing on the console is going to make the auxes on the DAW act like they are all pre-fader. How are you guys getting around this? I know it can be done by manually brining down the send every time... but MAN! I don't want to have to do that -Tom |
Leo wrote on Thu, 23 December 2004 15:23 |
Group/link the faders in the DAW. |
Thomas Lester wrote on Thu, 23 December 2004 20:59 | ||
I guess I didn't convey what I'm talking about clearly enough. I'm talking about the fact that if I'm sending from the DAW, the DAW has no way of knowing that I've moved the fader on the analog console (i.e. it's not a control surface). Therefore, the dry to send gain ratio will be altered if I'm sending to an aux via the DAW but mixing levels via the analog desk. -Tom |
Thomas Lester wrote on Thu, 23 December 2004 22:13 |
So... did you just make a decision somewhere in the game that if you needed to use a DAW plug on a DAW aux, that from that point on, you mixed and automated from the DAW's mixer (fader)? That makes since to me.... -Tom |
decibel wrote on Thu, 23 December 2004 22:30 |
I think what Zmix was saying, was that you can create a plug in on an aux track in Pro Tools and use that just like you would use a stand alone box. So that your effect send is coming from the console, not from within Pro Tools. The aux track in PT's input is coming from the console and the output is going to the console. So....you patch it in just like any other external box...except that your ins and outs are "audio interface 3&4" instead of "H3000 L&R". that's just an example....but you know what I mean..... that way, everything behaves as usual in regards to levels and automation. |