Post by: j.hall on October 25, 2005, 05:08:07 PM
version 1
version 2
Post by: Chris Cavell on October 25, 2005, 05:30:39 PM
Post by: Bivouac on October 25, 2005, 06:56:48 PM
The reverb on "one" was overkill, and the stereo seperation seems better on "two"...
However, the lead vocal still needs something. I don't LOVE the way it's sung, but it could be vastly improved if it were moved from the center. Right now, it just dominates everything down the middle. I'd like to see a wider vocal image here--you know, the 90's delay thing here or at least something wider than what's going on already...
...Get the lead out of the way and let the harmonies bloom like they should.
I like the "Table for Glasses" style drum on those downbeats. Maybe a little more piano?
Post by: floodstage on October 25, 2005, 08:03:04 PM
I like the drier version better. version 2 (I4NI3)
It was just a quick preference thing.
I guess it just opens the song up, in a good way, to me.
That said, I like the way you panned the Hi Hat to one side and delayed and panned the return to the other side, making it balanced center but still stereo, on version 1 (I4NI2)
Post by: Daniel Farris on October 25, 2005, 09:57:39 PM
If you dried up the vocal a good bit or treated it slightly differently, I think version one would be great.
Post by: blaugruen7 on October 26, 2005, 03:59:29 AM
too much reverb in version one on the vocals.
but its multitracked, right?
my humble opinion is that acoustic music should be performed
by the group in one room at one time.
for me acoustic music is group music.
flowing of energie during making music.
interaction.
otherwise the musicians play to a tape.
they get no feedback during performing.
and so for example the drummer has to interact with himself by slowing down and
getting faster.
just my thoughts.
Post by: j.hall on October 26, 2005, 11:23:00 AM
it's not really acoustic music considering it has electric bass, and quite a few electric guitar tracks going on in there.
i also think that making mix suggestions is a bit presumptuous. why don't you assume these are final mixes left to the producer/band/record label to pick from? it's either A or B, not "B only if you change......"
don't take me as pissed.....i just read all the replies and made an observation.
Post by: floodstage on October 26, 2005, 01:45:54 PM
I like the way whoever mixed the song panned the hi hat on version 1.
Is that better?
It does sound like music you might be involved with to me from what little I have heard of your work on this forum.
Please excuse any ass-uming on my part. Carry on!
Post by: NelsonL on October 26, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
There's a track on Teatro (Willie Nelson w/ Daniel Lanois producing) that starts out with with just drums, and I think it works really well.
On this song, I don't think it works without the fade.
Post by: hurricaneE on October 26, 2005, 04:36:00 PM
Post by: jimmyjazz on October 26, 2005, 06:06:07 PM
Version 2: I like the drum fade, I still think the acoustic guitar is too low, the vocals seem drier and perhaps more compressed
Hmmm. I think I like version 1 better. It seems less constrained. It's more musical, more relaxed.
I won't dare make mix suggestions at the risk of drawing your ire!
Post by: scott volthause on October 27, 2005, 01:16:13 AM
Post by: Rivers on October 27, 2005, 01:22:30 AM
I liked the intro to #1 better.
Post by: Invisible Member on October 27, 2005, 01:40:06 PM
I liked Number 1 (one) better.
It suited "my" tastes for things I think are important to me as a listener.
On Number 2
I "felt" the fade in was too subtle and I actually had to take a second to see if I was actually hearing a fade in.
In contrast Number 1 gave be a nice beat to get "me" moving musically.
One Number 2 when the vocals came in they didn't sit with the texture of the rest of the tracks. I "felt" like they were in a different space.
In constrast on number 1 the vocals smoothly integrated with the instruments and "felt" more comfortable to listen to. Not as clear, but fitting to the over all texture of the song.
I like the instrument build up on both about the same.
One Number 1 I "felt"
The harmony vox seemed more in touch to me. Like 2 singers at the same time verses 2 overdubbed singers...The difference if there was any in reality were very subtle.
Overall number one gave me a moody (warm fuzzy) feeling that the second one didn't.
Peace,
Dennis
Post by: John Ivan on October 28, 2005, 09:30:19 AM
| j.hall wrote on Wed, 26 October 2005 10:23 |
interesting you all assume that i mixed this song (both versions even) it's not really acoustic music considering it has electric bass, and quite a few electric guitar tracks going on in there. i also think that making mix suggestions is a bit presumptuous. why don't you assume these are final mixes left to the producer/band/record label to pick from? it's either A or B, not "B only if you change......" don't take me as pissed.....i just read all the replies and made an observation. |
Well, If I'm the artist having to pick between the 2< I would pick #2. I didn't assume you mixed it,just so you know. It didn't really cross my mind.
How ever, this did cross my mind,listening from a producer/artist standpoint.
The vibe is great. I really like where it's trying to go but, It sounds disjointed to me. Creative panning walks a fine line and I'm not sure I would have leaned the kit to the left like that. On something this intimate,The vocal, {for me} should feel very close. All the sounds are great.Who ever tracked,did a great job I think. And, the mix is well on it's way. It just sounds like the mix engineer didn't finish the ideas.
Don't be bummed that folks are offering mix ideas. If we post stuff, people are going to comment. How can they not.
It sounds good. I like the song a lot and, that's the important thing.
Ivan.............
Post by: drumsound on October 28, 2005, 03:56:47 PM
Both sound good and I like the vibe of the music
Post by: spankenstein on October 30, 2005, 10:24:31 PM
I would prefer #1 with #2's vocal sound.
Post by: TB-AV on October 31, 2005, 10:06:49 AM
Post by: Phillip Graham on November 01, 2005, 04:04:04 PM
| j.hall wrote on Tue, 25 October 2005 17:08 |
tell me which version you like and why. version 1 version 2 |
#1: Better vibe, more ambient pretty dark overall tone on my in ears. Mix feels like it's missing something at about 3 o'clock. Vocals are a bit too obscured by the darkness of the effects, or perhaps the doubling delay time is a bit long. A little too much electric tones volume wise.
#2: Same comment on the electric tones, like the fade a lot. The vocals, while much clearer, don't quite match the ambience of the overall track.
I'd probably pick mix one, but dry up/move up the vocals slightly.
Post by: Luis Bacque on November 01, 2005, 11:37:31 PM
The first rythm guitar is an electric guitar umplugged and recorded with a mic?
I really don't like this for this song. If it is an acoustic guitar it sound to poor to me in both mixes.
I think that a more Beatles kind of mix will be better. Less reverb, guitars more present, voices more dry and some extreme panning will help the song.
I Like the sound of the plugged electric guitar that appear later.
Regards,
Luis Bacque.
Post by: Luis Bacque on November 09, 2005, 11:37:46 PM
Post by: dikledoux on November 11, 2005, 05:30:25 PM
What a gorgeous tune, by the way.
dik
Post by: Juergen on November 12, 2005, 11:32:36 AM
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And the drum fade-in on #2 seems... non-genuine (?)... like a production trick rather than a compositional device. |
Isn't a fade technically always a production desicion (trick, if you will)? The long just-drums intro would definitely lend itself to a fade-in...
Juergen
Post by: j.hall on November 14, 2005, 02:18:22 PM
| Luis Bacque wrote on Wed, 09 November 2005 22:37 |
AAAAAAHHH!!!! my anxious mind needs the separated tracks to try some mixes!!! |
no can do....sorry.
Post by: floodstage on November 14, 2005, 05:00:18 PM
You gonna tell us why you wanted our opinion?
Post by: j.hall on November 14, 2005, 05:40:50 PM
i just thought it would be fun to see who picked which version and why.
i prefer version 1 BTW.
it makes me think of a band sound checking in a small theater before a show. sorta imtimate in feel, but open in sound.