j.hall wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 13:49 |
grab the tracks, and use this thread to discuss them and the mixes. the song is from my band, The Secret Club. i wrote it for my dad as a christmas present and realized it would open our record really well. it was tracked on a 1" 16track, transfered to 2" for mixing, then into PT when i realized the 2" reel it was on was binding up. tracked in a living room with total crap gear. if you have the secret club record no worries, i just remixed the song, so you still don't know what my mix sounds like. ENJOY!! |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Wed, 30 May 2007 21:33 |
EDIT: Only one question. Does absense of tase is a taste? |
dconstruction wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 00:39 |
Vlad runs all his posts through MATLAB. I'm afraid some of the niceties get filtered out - through convolution of course. |
Tom C wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 03:32 | ||
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chromatics wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 13:00 |
I've got a bit of time on my hands and was looking forward to IMP12 but this track...man... ..what is it 41 bpm? Isn't that tecnically a dirge? I think you need to pick something a little more exciting if you're going to get a free mix out of me ![]() Nothing personal, I'm not hating on the song. It jus' don't float my boat. |
chromatics wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 13:00 |
I've got a bit of time on my hands and was looking forward to IMP12 but this track...man... ..what is it 41 bpm? Isn't that tecnically a dirge? I think you need to pick something a little more exciting if you're going to get a free mix out of me ![]() Nothing personal, I'm not hating on the song. It jus' don't float my boat. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 14:25 |
This song don't work, i have totally rearranged it. I propose to remove rule for not adding parts for this IMP. |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 22:02 | ||
i'll tell you what doesn't work. all your trash talk on my forum. i've let it slide for a while calling it a "language barrier" but i've had enough. you haven't followed the rules of IMP the last two times, and when i've called you out on it, you just ignore me. i'm far too busy to put up with any of this, get it under control or i'll do so for you. |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 09:38 |
what is distorted? this session is so old i can't recall much of it. |
M Carter wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 13:43 |
Man. I can't WAIT until you here the sweet clog dancing solo I just added in the bridge. |
M Carter wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 07:35 |
I think people are confusing the vocal 'distortion' with heavy compression..... |
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tracked in a living room with total crap gear. |
scottoliphant wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 09:15 | ||
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Brian Lloyd wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 09:31 |
this is also the first track ive ever really taken things and mixed them all up. was never really an arranger...figured id always leave that to the writers. |
j.hall wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 11:36 |
the drums aren't really "left and right" |
M Carter wrote on Thu, 31 May 2007 20:43 |
Man. I can't WAIT until you here the sweet clog dancing solo I just added in the bridge. |
Fibes wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 18:52 |
I use "Unrar" Dunno if it's PC. Unrar X (mac) for a google search and yer golden. |
CHANCE wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 22:03 | ||
Thats what I have ( UnRarX ) for MAC |
briefcasemanx wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 06:26 |
I just used winRAR (PC). It kind of bothers me on the female vox, is anyone else hearing it on those? |
garret wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 19:33 | ||||
Chance, can you explain what happens when you try to open up the RAR file? Maybe we can help... One thing to check is the file size of the IMP12 download. Get Info on the file, and see if it is something like 211,427KB. (that's about 210 Mb) |
CHANCE wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 10:58 |
When I select "extract" (password, test, browse, extract) I get a message saying "please select a file to extract" but the file I want to extract is there, but it is greyed out, and can't be selected. |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 |
Do the best you can with what you have. The artist has put a lot into his work, make it sound better than he imagined it... always. You can lend suggestions if you think it's essential, but don't re-write a song... it's art (you don't have to like it). For God's sake, don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. That means: This is a great tool for everyone... don't spoil it and keep your negative opinions in your pocket. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 2:24 |
Usually client won't understand what you want to do. |
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However if you are doing music for AD or Movie it is completely different sittuation and creative input is always welcomed. It is a personal preference/ability to arrange or not arrange song during mixing. |
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but don't re-write a song" unfortunately i have already rewrote it:) |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:10 |
Hey... those are the rules. I can't wait to hear your interpretation. ![]() |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:27 |
I also would like to hear oppinions if J will allow me to upload it:( ? There are still some guitars and vocals left from original track:) |
J-Texas wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 09:43 |
Sidechain - Roll up a newspaper and swat those vox on the nose. |
sidechain wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:47 |
Heh. I tried that first. They peed on the floor and ate my shoes. With these particular specimens, I found that positive reinforcement and a nice massage worked much better. ![]() |
CHANCE wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 11:44 |
I just thought of something. Why don't I get asked for user name and password? What I have been doing is dragging the "RAR" file to the desk top, and using UnRarX (for MAC) attempting to open. There is obviously something I am missing here and hope someone can open my eyes. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 13:27 |
I also would like to hear oppinions if J will allow me to upload it:( ? There are still some guitars and vocals left from original track:) |
rattleyour wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 12:44 | ||
Hey Chance, I'm gonna lay down all the help I can think of, hope I don't sound like a condescending A-hole, but I've been helping some very green folks learn OSX lately, so I try to be thorough. When you get to the IMP server (link and password in the "IMP what it is thread,") hold down ctrl while you click on the IMP 12 link and then select "download linked file." The file should take a bit to download (if drag and drop is near instantaneous then that's a bad sign) and when it does you may have to remove an erroneous .txt file extension before you can uncompress the files-- at least I have to do that, not sure why the added extension shows up. In case that's unclear, I'm just saying to rename the file IMP12.rar, not IMP12.rar.txt --if that's what you wind up with. To do this, you may have to go into the Finder prefs to show file extensions-- click anywhere on your desktop, then pull down Finder menu, then select preferences, click advanced, and then make sure "show all file extensions" is checked. I happened to DL this one on my Dell this time and didn't have to do any of that stuff, on my iBook I always have to rename the file. I'm sure this can be fixed, but I really haven't looked into it, I don't rar much. Hope that helps, Liam |
j.hall wrote on Sat, 02 June 2007 21:01 |
if you overdubed anything it's out. |
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Oh jes i overdubbed drums (originally recorded on 2 tracks)... I added parts and sampled existing Base, Guitar and Vox tracks. As music market is using such approaches i don't see any reason for restricting people be creative? After i already spent time on this, i'm very pissed off. Am i allowed to start separate discussion topic for my submission, if i cannot upload it to IMP server? |
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 03:09 | ||
NOOOOOOOOO Did you not just read J's post about the RULES??? They are meant to be followed. Don't get all 'pissed off' because you spent time breaking the rules. |
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 03:48 |
the objective is to make a great mix WITHOUT overdubbing anything. if you want to spread your creative musical wings, you're in the wrong forum. don't get me wrong, i WANT to hear your mix, just WITHOUT the overdubs. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:29 | ||
Thank you Mr. Richard i just want to hear another oppinions. And my question was also about separate thread for this, i supose i can do so? |
Greg Dixon wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 06:57 | ||||
Another opinion? I agree completely. Follow the rules or don't post. It's quite simple, but you seem to have trouble understanding it, just like you don't stick to the deadlines. But you know what? Ultimately it doesn't matter what I think. Why? Because it's not my forum. j.hall's forum. j.hall's rules. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Very simple. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 16:26 |
Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out" |
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Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out" |
Tom C wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 09:52 | ||
If that'd be true artists wouldn't need a mixer at all. Our job IS to get something better out of the recording, no matter how good it was to start with. And, after listening to the song for the very first time right now I definitely DON'T think it's garbage. Unusual style: yes. Unusual arrangement: yes Something you can learn a lot from mixing it: you bet! If I was an artist with an unmixed record and had read what you've written about that song so far I'd go somewhere else to mix it. End of customer relationship. Tom |
darkhorseporter wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 08:04 |
Also, I was feeling creative. I wrote and recorded a song, called it IMP 12 and would like to submit for everyone's review. I didn't learn much about mixing, but hey, thats not MY priority... [/sarcasm] Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out" |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 16:26 | ||
Have you ever learned to read a contract before starting a "mixing gig". This one seemed pretty clear about the rules. Do you often whine in front of the artist about how crappy the song you had to mix was after being done mixing it ? Because if you do that, I really doubt you have been very far in the learning process. lol malice |
J-Texas wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 11:53 |
Pretty crazy, huh? Man lighten up. Follow the rules. Do something outside of your comfort zone. Are you afraid put yourself out there, naked, with no "bells and whistles"? To make a mix sound as good as you can with what you got? Because that takes talent. Do you have the sand? Read my signature and find out what that means to you. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:02 |
And unfortunately as i see here nobody want to learn arrangement and have broader pewrpective, perople just stick with faders which is big mistake. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:12 |
I don't see any point do another as there will be NO learning at ALL. |
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And all goodnes of IMPs is very questionable because nobody provide track by track results, nobody shares their DAW projects, and most of time people don't provide exact settings for doing something. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 19:02 |
And unfortunately as i see here nobody want to learn arrangement and have broader pewrpective, perople just stick with faders which is big mistake. |
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Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out" |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 07:26 |
Unfortunately i learned much about mixing, and i have also learned what you cannot make good mix out of crap song without re-recording. So called rule: "Garbage in garbage out" |
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so much for the self-restraint. that lasted for like.. a day. i look forward to J. banning this dude. |
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If there are so many skilled arrangers there. WHYYYY Couldn't you please give me an arranging advices/feedback/opinions in Another thread? After all submisiions are locked in IMP thread. Does any single post in this forum is about mixing? I don't think so. Anyway as i told mixing is quite interrelated to arranging. If you read any single book on mixing, then evey book contains chapter about arrangin. "Mixing Engeneer Handbook" contains chapter about arrangement. "Mixing and mastering with Waves" Contains Ararngement decision list for all tracks and all songs are produced by the same person who mixed it:) so this is usual case. |
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 14:09 | ||
VLAD TRY TO HEAR ME Nobody said you can't re-arrange a song. That is part of the purpose of IMP. EVERYBODY Vlad is more than welcome to re-arrange a song, just like everybody else. VLAD...AGAIN My only problem with this is your use of overdubs. That is what makes your mix useless to IMP. Chop up the track all you want, but PLEASE don't overdub anything. |
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Yea i usually re-record as many times as necesary and use samples/autotune if band cannot perform something. I usually suggest/influence arrangment and look for reaction: 80% of time those are very welkomed. I'm usually asked to add some FX like things. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 14:21 |
I will do another version for IMP, and will submit arranged version after IMP is over for comparison, because i cannot throw away all my arranging ideas... I just so like to hear Mixes of those ho are quite agressive now:) |
grant richard wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 20:06 | ||
please no personal attacks or sarcasm. arguing is fine by me......but this had no point |
pg666 wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 15:06 | ||||
the guy didn't hesitate insulting my own music (out of nowhere) in another thread. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 11:11 |
If there are so many skilled arrangers there. WHYYYY Couldn't you please give me an arranging advices/feedback/opinions in Another thread? After all submisiions are locked in IMP thread. Does any single post in this forum is about mixing? I don't think so. Anyway as i told mixing is quite interrelated to arranging. If you read any single book on mixing, then evey book contains chapter about arrangin. "Mixing Engeneer Handbook" contains chapter about arrangement. "Mixing and mastering with Waves" Contains Ararngement decision list for all tracks and all songs are produced by the same person who mixed it:) so this is usual case. |
CHANCE wrote on Sun, 03 June 2007 21:53 |
WOW I HAVE to interject something here. Those of us who own and run busy studios only WISH every project was to our liking. What seperates the men from the boys is when you get a project that is not to your liking, record it the way a client wants it recorded, then MIX (not rearrange) that project with all of the creative juices you can muster, and make a masterpiece of it. When you can do that, you will have another returning client. As engineers, it is not our job to rearrange. It is to reproduce. |
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As engineers, it is not our job to rearrange. It is to reproduce. |
scottoliphant wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 07:43 | ||
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vlad wrote What can you do with 12 tracks all full of saturation? Drums recorded on 2 tracks. Such song can be mixed in 10 minutes. |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 10:57 |
what is wrong with doing a mix in 10 minutes? |
el duderino wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 11:25 | ||
nothing. as long as you arent billing by the hour! ![]() |
j.hall wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 09:57 |
pg666 is perfectly fine in his posts, he's been on these forums a LONG TIME and knows his way around. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 09:39 | ||
JHall i'm just curious which age are you? Im't not any asslicker and i realy DONT CARE ABOUT MY WAY AROUND here... Just leave with this knowlege:))))))) |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Mon, 04 June 2007 11:39 |
JHall i'm just curious which age are you? |
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Im't not any asslicker and i realy DONT CARE ABOUT MY WAY AROUND here... |
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Just leave with this knowlege:))))))) |