TotalSonic wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 13:25 |
I don't know the technique you're speaking of but a much more common method is to encode to M/S, increase the gain of the Side (or attenuate the Mid), and then decode to L/R. Best regards, Steve Berson |
ajcamlet wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 19:19 |
and what do folks typically use to "encode/decode" to M+S? |
jackthebear wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 12:43 |
Personally I use M/S as a last resort in CD mastering as it is phase manipulation and I find it smears the centre of the image. |
dcollins wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 18:19 |
Because anything you do to make it "wider" is going to cause the center to suffer. |
Ed Littman wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 19:17 | ||
with the exception of the Dangerous box. I don'tknow how they do it but I heard no loss in the center. Ed |
Ed Littman wrote on Sat, 12 March 2005 00:17 | ||
with the exception of the Dangerous box. I don'tknow how they do it but I heard no loss in the center. Ed |
jazzius wrote on Sat, 12 March 2005 03:00 |
That's impossible....widening the LR means weakening the centre....no way round that. |
Ed Littman wrote on Fri, 11 March 2005 19:17 | ||
with the exception of the Dangerous box. I don'tknow how they do it but I heard no loss in the center. Ed |
mcsnare wrote on Sat, 12 March 2005 21:02 |
I don't know how Chris does it, but yes, using the widening knob on the Dangerous console doesn't seem to mess with the middle unless you use a crazy amount of it. Dave McNair |
Bob Olhsson wrote on Sat, 26 March 2005 08:44 |
There are all kinds of them. I've never heard any that didn't make things sound wimpier. Most of the proprietary designs are concerned with reasonable mono compatibility which is important but it doesn't solve the "balls" issue. |
masterhse wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 18:28 |
Haven't tried it (I have an external M/S processor) but isn't it possible to create an "M/S processor" with a mixer? 1. Group L+R channels of original tracks to create M signal 2. Group L-R (out of phase R) to create S signal. This signal essentaily contains the audio information that is not common to either channel. 3. Feed the M and S group above to a left channel. Mathematically this is: (L+R)+(L-R)= 2L 4. Feed the M group above with an inverted S signal (-S) and sent to a right channel. Mathematically:(L+R)-(L-R) = 2R Process the M and S signals anyway you want, e.g. compression, eq, etc. |
futuresound wrote on Sat, 26 March 2005 05:17 |
I heard something about bedini B.A.S.E. processor for stereo widening.(very expensive ,around 6K $ ) Is it best widening hardware unit? What is your comment? http://www.bedini.com/base.htm |
dcollins wrote on Mon, 28 March 2005 21:32 |
Yep. And you can pull the faders down to get rid of those "2's" if you need to... DC |
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Another way to make a widening tool is by just adding two faders to your stereo pair. Reverse the pans and reverse the polarities. This is mathematically equivalent to converting to MS and back to stereo, "on the fly". As you add them in, the overall level will go down and you will have to compensate; use grouping tools and it becomes easy. -Bob Katz- |
JohnMcD wrote on Fri, 08 April 2005 13:55 | ||
Holy guacamole Mr. Katz!!! That is amazing! How did you figure this out? |
JohnMcD wrote on Fri, 08 April 2005 12:55 |
...I wonder if Bob Ludwig knows about this? |
Bob Olhsson wrote on Fri, 08 April 2005 20:28 | ||
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compasspnt wrote on Mon, 11 April 2005 23:54 |
I have found only one way to truly widen a stereo image without losing anything in the centre, or acquiring phase problems. But is is somewhat physical. It involves picking up speakers and moving them, and an extension of cables...... |
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I have found only one way to truly widen a stereo image without losing anything in the centre, or acquiring phase problems. But is is somewhat physical. It involves picking up speakers and moving them, and an extension of cables...... |
Yannick Willox wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 08:17 |
No,no. What you have to do is put the two speakers next to each other. Then make a broadband absorbing baffle that starts between the two speakers end ends on your nose (you can even make a cutout for your face). This way you have no cross-talk, and a 120-180 degress wide stereo stage (like headphones, but out of your head). (you can try this with a really long pillow, or a matress) But try mastering like this with a client in the same room ... |
maxim wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 06:27 | ||
terry wrote:
just being facetious, but you will lose something in the center if you do that perhaps, if you push them closer together, you might overcompensate by making your mixes wider than usual |
compasspnt wrote on Sat, 16 April 2005 14:41 |
Can you post a photograph of yourself employing this technique? I'd like to try it, but I want a demonstration for a guide first! |
Yannick Willox wrote on Mon, 18 April 2005 05:27 | ||
Sorry, I didn't take pictures... Anyway, the pictures would look extremely silly, and I don't look so good in profile... |