Post by: acorec on June 30, 2005, 11:04:50 AM
Post by: J.J. Blair on June 30, 2005, 11:22:10 AM
Post by: electrical on June 30, 2005, 11:33:37 AM
Post by: Greg Reierson on June 30, 2005, 11:41:26 AM
| electrical wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 10:33 |
I do, every time. Pocket knives are too unreliable. |
HAR!
GR
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Minneapolis, MN
Post by: Rail Jon Rogut on June 30, 2005, 11:43:35 AM
Rail
Post by: Sarusan on June 30, 2005, 03:48:24 PM
Another interesting thing I've noticed is that artists respond really strongly to it. They see the blade and suddenly they're making a "real" record instead of continuing the demo.
Steven
Post by: Plush on June 30, 2005, 04:17:11 PM
Doing it for convenience, time saving and because I've always done it.
Hudsonek
Post by: Matthew J Barnhart on June 30, 2005, 04:37:16 PM
It's plenty fast for me and the bands I work with, and considering the amount of editing I'm doing the cost isn't any more than it would be using a DAW.
Then again, I'm not making disco records.
mb
Post by: Greg Youngman on June 30, 2005, 05:29:33 PM
I learned how to edit tape at about the age of 10. The guy had Ampex ½" 3 track and 350 2 tracks. God, those were fun times!
Post by: J.J. Blair on June 30, 2005, 06:39:00 PM
Also, before DAW was affordable (only Sonic Solutions back then), and before I had a 1/2", I had to edit about 200 minutes of comedy material into a 74 minute CD all on the 2" @ 15 ips. One of the only times I wished I had a DAW instead of tape.
Post by: satisfactory on June 30, 2005, 10:10:39 PM
mostly 1/2" 8trk here
yesterday i had to fix a late snare drum hit.
i definitely prefer editing to:
reading a magazine or
dicking around on the interweb or
whatever i'm usually doing while The Band is Doing The Rock.
Post by: vernier on June 30, 2005, 10:45:15 PM
Post by: Ronny on June 30, 2005, 11:17:01 PM
I haven't used a splicing block in over 10 years. Just doesn't make sense if the final product is cd or dvd. It's much faster to load in and edit in the digital domain. It's more precise. If you screw up you can undo the damage with a push of the button. The tapes will archive better without splicing tape. You don't risk having a splice come loose and dump tape on the floor. I can't understand why anyone would splice when they can edit non-destructively.
Post by: wwittman on June 30, 2005, 11:49:59 PM
Actually re: pocket knives... Geoff Daking used ot carry a sharpened one that he'd edit 2" tape with... as he really liked how it freaked out the client.
You have to admire that.
Post by: Matthew J Barnhart on July 01, 2005, 01:07:52 AM
| Ronny wrote on Fri, 01 July 2005 04:17 |
I haven't used a splicing block in over 10 years. Just doesn't make sense if the final product is cd or dvd. |
My perspective (stolen outright from engineers much smarter than I) is that the band's "final product" is the master tape that they'll keep forever, not the pressed CD.
In fifty years, if they're so lucky, Dave Collins III will remaster their record for release as Super Whizbang Infinite Bandwidth Telepathic Impression Music (SWIBTIM -- Copyright Me!), and the record will play back exactly the same as it did when the band made it.
DC III also won't be able to bill 10,000 Space Rubles per hour, recreating edits that I did for peanuts (or, more precisely, Thai food with peanut sauce) half a century before.
This then leads us into the analog vs. digital storage debate, which shouldn't really be entertaining for anyone at this point, right?
mb
Post by: lord on July 01, 2005, 08:50:02 AM
Somebody asked me recently why we used naked razor blades instead of x-acto knives or similar modern cutting utensils.
I wasn't sure what the answer to that one was. But I'm sure it has something to do with the little dance they do near the han-d-mag?
Post by: xonlocust on July 01, 2005, 09:39:26 AM
this is probaly not suprisingly, punk and indie rock work.
Post by: Ronny on July 01, 2005, 12:59:28 PM
| Matthew J Barnhart wrote on Fri, 01 July 2005 01:07 | ||
My perspective (stolen outright from engineers much smarter than I) is that the band's "final product" is the master tape that they'll keep forever, not the pressed CD. In fifty years, if they're so lucky, Dave Collins III will remaster their record for release as Super Whizbang Infinite Bandwidth Telepathic Impression Music (SWIBTIM -- Copyright Me!), and the record will play back exactly the same as it did when the band made it. DC III also won't be able to bill 10,000 Space Rubles per hour, recreating edits that I did for peanuts (or, more precisely, Thai food with peanut sauce) half a century before. This then leads us into the analog vs. digital storage debate, which shouldn't really be entertaining for anyone at this point, right? mb |
Believe me Matthew, storing tape with many splices on it is by far worse than storing the original uncut tape. The splicing tape adhesive can deteriorate causing the tape to break apart when playing back. Some adhesives can liquify over time, run and gums up sections of tape that aren't spliced. If the final destination is going to be digital media, than transferring to digital realm and doing the editing there non destructively is a much better choice. Also, this past week I've been restoring some annie tapes that date back as far as 1968, some of the takes on these tapes were unacceptable at the time and were scratched and put on the out takes shelf. 35 years later, I load them into a DAW and using modern technology have now turned out takes into acceptable tracks for mixing. Had these original tapes been spliced, I never would have been able to edit and restore them.
You guys using pocket and exacto knives should spend the 20 bucks for a splicing block. The ones that I use have the razors built into the device, two clamping arms that firmly hold the tape and the razors are on the diagonal so that all splices come out uniformly the same. You simple press down on the razor arm and there is no physical cutting with a knife or hand held razor. Once you work with a block for a couple of weeks and get used to it, it's 5 times faster than using an exacto knife.
Post by: McAllister on July 01, 2005, 01:35:52 PM
Thankfully, I don't need to do it too often.
M
Post by: satisfactory on July 01, 2005, 04:05:38 PM
| Ronny wrote on Fri, 01 July 2005 19:59 |
You guys using pocket and exacto knives should spend the 20 bucks for a splicing block. |
a twenty dollar splice block? it is made out of tupperware?
remember: one button 'undo' is mostly convenient for people who make mistakes
Post by: Ronny on July 01, 2005, 10:30:36 PM
| satisfactory wrote on Fri, 01 July 2005 16:05 | ||
a twenty dollar splice block? it is made out of tupperware? remember: one button 'undo' is mostly convenient for people who make mistakes |
The ones that I have are stainless steel and chromed steel. I don't think they had Tupperware when these were manufactured.
Post by: satisfactory on July 02, 2005, 04:35:23 AM
probably because they have to wait until AFTER an order comes in before they blow the dust off the mold!
Post by: Ronny on July 02, 2005, 06:27:24 AM
| satisfactory wrote on Sat, 02 July 2005 04:35 |
yknow its an easy 200 bucks for a new 2" editall block nowadays? probably because they have to wait until AFTER an order comes in before they blow the dust off the mold! |
Ha ha ha, I wasn't thinking about inflation. At least you don't have to worry about wearing them out.
Post by: dcollins on July 02, 2005, 03:20:57 PM
Is going to leader becoming a lost art?
DC
Post by: Jerry Tubb on July 09, 2005, 11:16:45 PM
| acorec wrote on Thu, 30 June 2005 10:04 |
do studios still cut tape? |
Yes they do !
Yesterday I mastered a record from 1/4" tape that was properly edited/leadered... Sugar Hill Studios in Houston still doin it !
..also fix lots of dried spices on older tapes during remastering.
de-mag those razor blades.