jrmintz wrote on Thu, 20 January 2011 11:38 |
I don't think it's overtly political to say that all Americans ought to have access to health care resembling that which our congressional representatives, of all parties and ideologies, and in a rare display of unity, have given themselves. It's also not political to say that it's unconscionable that the family of a person who has had a career like Roger Nichols, or any family for that matter, should have to impoverish itself to keep a family member alive. It's a moral issue out of which some people have created a political one. I donated as well. |
wwittman wrote on Fri, 21 January 2011 16:40 |
If thinking that financial luck should not determine whether a colleague gets to have a shot at living is "political mudslinging" then I shall continue to be "out of place" Where I come from educated people disagree about many things, but not that people should die because their parents aren't rich or they lost their job, etc. Funny how almost everywhere else in the civilized western world think that's " the kind of society they want to live in" |
Silvertone wrote on Thu, 20 January 2011 07:16 | ||
So sad to hear. That's the same cancer that took my Mom down... that and it broke her heart that she and my Dad lost everything they worked their whole lives for just to keep her alive for 6 months in the end... it's just not right and EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE ASHAMED THE WAY THEY LET INSURANCE COMPANIES DICTATE OUR HEATH CARE. FOR SHAME AMERICA! I'll say prayers for Roger. |
FFoster wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 09:39 |
Yes, lets have the government run health care so it can be inaccessible to everybody. |
FFoster wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 11:39 |
Yes, lets have the government run health care so it can be inaccessible to everybody. |
FFoster wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 05:39 | ||||
Yes, lets have the government run health care so it can be inaccessible to everybody. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 05:08 | ||
There is a deep cultural divide between Europeans and Americans. Europeans place a higher value on equality, while Americans place a higher value on liberty. Europeans think of themselves as subjects, while Americans think of themselves as citizens. Europeans look for collectivist, government-based solutions to life's problems, while Americans look for individualist solutions to the same problems. I seem to recall that my country fought a war with your country over these differences, and won the right to devise our own system of government. You should learn something about America's culture, before you slander half its population and attribute their beliefs to stupidity and malice. |
Silvertone wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 13:39 | ||||||
Give me a break, everybody on medicare and medicaid gets to see a doctor before I do. I pay 1000.00 a month for my wife and my health insurance... through my taxes I also pay for the government official, the policeman, the fireman, the school teacher and many other... so who's helping me out??? Nobody, that's who and if I get a catastrophic disease then what I pay doesn't cover it... give me a break. Obviously you don't pay for your health insurance or, trust me you would feel differently. 18% increase in coverage last year, 17% this year... wake up everybody, you may pay a little of your health insurance now but in the not to distant future YOU WILL BE PAYING A LOT MORE! A LOT MORE! THE INSURANCE COMPANIES RUN HEALTH CARE IN THIS COUNTRY.... WAKE UP EVERYBODY... YOU ARE PAYING THE PROTECTION RACKET... THESE GUYS ARE WORSE THAN THE MOB! Thanks Hillary! I want the same health care as my elected official... they seem to get into the doctors right away and get to stay in the hospital as long as it takes. Why not me? As for Roger, I donated and had others donate yesterday as well... but what kind of country do we live in when a man like this has to rely on handouts to have decant care in his remaining days... I'll say it again... for shame America! Sorry for getting political Brad but this is "politics at it's best" (worst really)... and we can't talk about the elephant in the room. Shortly it looks like I'll be canceling my health policy because I can no longer afford it... then our government will be sending me to jail for not having health insurance (that's rich)... again the insurance companies win! Well then at least I'd get to live for free AND get FREE HEALTH CARE... imagine that, criminals get their health care paid for by us as well. Now who are the real criminals here? It's also been proven that universal health care will lower health care costs in this country... but do you think that is what the insurance companies really want? Wakey, wakey, eggs and Bakey... everybody, eyes open... |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 06:20 |
The current system, in which health care is exorbitantly expensive and everything is done through insurance companies, is a product of government financing and government regulation. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 09:20 |
The American people decisively rejected socialized medicine in the recent election. Perhaps you've been living in a cave and didn't hear about it. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 09:20 |
The American people decisively rejected socialized medicine in the recent election. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 03:08 |
There is a deep cultural divide between Europeans and Americans. Europeans place a higher value on equality, while Americans place a higher value on liberty. Europeans think of themselves as subjects, while Americans think of themselves as citizens. Europeans look for collectivist, government-based solutions to life's problems, while Americans look for individualist solutions to the same problems. I seem to recall that my country fought a war with your country over these differences, and won the right to devise our own system of government. You should learn something about America's culture, before you slander half its population and attribute their beliefs to stupidity and malice. |
Rader Ranch wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 09:17 | ||
Two years before we were apparently decisively for it. Public opinion is a fickle and easily manipulated thing, just as major flip-flops in political fortune almost always seem to be predicted and expected. Unfortunately, major hardship seems to be a necessary catalyst before any policy sea change. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 07:20 |
... The American people decisively rejected socialized medicine in the recent election. .... |
Silvertone wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 05:39 |
I want the same health care as my elected official... they seem to get into the doctors right away and get to stay in the hospital as long as it takes. Why not me? |
jwhynot wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 13:22 |
Soon, the majority will have two options in the US. Be poor or have no care at all. JW |
Tidewater wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 14:59 |
Profit is not made from human suffering. |
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I live in the wrong time. I belong in a time where people live their lives, because that's all there was to do. |
FFoster wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 22:39 |
Yes, lets have the government run health care so it can be inaccessible to everybody. |
wwittman wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 12:06 |
Socialist police seems to work rather well. Fire depts too. |
jonathan jetter wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 18:38 |
we've worked ourselves into a situation where we employ a police force of halfwits and racists and frat boys who never grew up, jon |
YZ wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 07:08 | ||
That does not seem to be the case in several countries where there is a government-run health care structure. |
wwittman wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 17:06 | ||
Roger, and people just like him who worked all their lives and made a decent income, could DIE for the simple reason that he can't afford care. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 21:55 |
I have little faith in the reports of Europeans and Canadians who say their health care system works. When people believe that a system is "fair" and "equitable," they are more willing to accept its shortcomings. They are willing to accept a very low standard of care, as long as everyone receives the same care and it's considered a "right." The same attitude can be observed in Americans in regard to public education. Even in a system that is theoretially egalitarian, there can be wide variations in quality from one region to another, and the people who are lucky enough to live in one of the better regions will have a more positive impression of the system. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 21:55 | ||||
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Fenris Wulf wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 02:10 |
Health insurance is not a free market. It is a government-controlled cartel. The government mandates coverage for various illnesses and forbids price competition. Technically, the present system is fascism : private ownership combined with government control. The government is playing an elaborate, decades-long con game. It interposes a vast bureaucracy in between doctors and their patients, funnels health care dollars into the pockets of unproductive bureaucrats, and blames the result on "capitalism" in order to justify further government intervention. |
Tidewater wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 06:27 |
Federal taxes should be a flat 10% at the point of sale for everything but food. It's good enough for God. Ya know.. |
Fenris Wulf wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 23:10 |
In a free market, the rate of profit for insurance companies would be roughly equal to the rate of profit for other industries (around 3%). |
Extreme Mixing wrote on Sun, 23 January 2011 04:16 |
Good points William. Health care in America should really be a right. In many ways, it is. You don't see poor migrant worker's children being born on the street outside the hospital, do you? And if they are born with a defective heart they get medical attention. Right? With rights come responsibility. That's why I think everyone should pay in, even if you're young and healthy, because you never know what life will bring your way. I don't know Roger's situation. Maybe he had a pre-existing condition that made it impossible for him to get coverage. Or maybe he just didn't think he would ever need medical services. Either way, $10 donations from a few friends online surely won't be enough to fight this type of cancer. He won't get much public aid until he has used all of his money and left his family destitute. That's no way to live and it's certainly not a good way to die. If you don't think the medical system in this country needs an overhaul then you just haven't been sick enough yet. I've spent some time in the hospital, and I've seen the bills. They are astounding! But at least I got better. Steve |
YZ wrote on Sat, 22 January 2011 04:08 | ||
That does not seem to be the case in several countries where there is a government-run health care structure. |
JDNelson wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 18:22 | ||||
Would the average working person in China, Cuba, etc. receive unlimited state-of-the-art cancer treatments? Would Hu Jintao or Fidel? Just wondering. |
JDNelson wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 15:22 |
Would the average working person in China, Cuba, etc. receive unlimited state-of-the-art cancer treatments? Would Hu Jintao or Fidel? Just wondering. |
Tidewater wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 17:18 |
We are only #36 because we are #47 in math. |
Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 16:42 | ||
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Jay Kadis wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 08:42 | ||
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Tidewater wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 21:30 |
Math wasn't invented by Arabs. They brought nothing to the table. |
YZ wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 04:47 |
Going back on-topic... I've been a member here for about five years. Over that period, I've read a few 'calls for help' to the benefit of fellow audio engineers who fell on hard times due to illness. IIRC, all from the USA. None from Europe or elsewhere. Something to think about. |
YZ wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 08:47 |
Going back on-topic... I've been a member here for about five years. Over that period, I've read a few 'calls for help' to the benefit of fellow audio engineers who fell on hard times due to illness. IIRC, all from the USA. None from Europe or elsewhere. Something to think about. |
Tidewater wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 16:24 |
In Europe, the first thing they do when you get sick is turn off your internet. www.snopes.com/sick_in_europe.html |
Tidewater wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 19:59 |
The post was a joke. |