Post by: ALLEN WRENCH on June 21, 2005, 07:42:32 PM
With prices dropping like crazy on 2" tape machines, people like myself are finding that these pricey devices are now within the home studio budget. But for someone with no tech ability... the wrong choice could end up becoming dangerous!
Last year I bought a 1978 MCI JH-16 and have recently run into repair issues that have totally fucked over my deadline for a project I'm working on. I live in Riverside and it seems as though it's impossible to get people out here to work on this thing.
One of the options I'm considering is buying another tape machine.
I could get one of Randy Blevins super kick-ass rebuilt MCI machines, but then if I have problems in the future I'm stuck in the same 'no tech available' position.
Just for bullet-proof / run forever type of a rep... a lot of people like the Otari machines.
If you were going to suggest a 2" analog tape machine for someone with zero tech ability... which would it be?
... here's me before DISASTER STRUCK!!!!
Post by: djui5 on June 21, 2005, 08:24:12 PM
Post by: thedoc on June 21, 2005, 09:31:41 PM
if you are going to have a 24 track machine. Issues of blown MDA's, bad pucks,
bad channel cards, reel tension issues, audio alignment, bias problems, tape
path problems, etc.
I wish I could say otherwise...
Post by: Jolly Ted on June 21, 2005, 09:53:43 PM
I can sympathize about your dilemma. What is happening with your JH-16 ?
I travel a lot into Riverside from Orange County. Maybe I can offer some helpful advice or lend a hand.
I've been maintaining and rebuilding pro analog decks since the 70's. It might be worth taking a look see to see about what the real problem is you're having and see about sorting it out...since you already have it.
Most used analog decks you purchase are all going to have some issues when you buy them. And ALL decks will need regular standard 'upkeep' maintenance for as long as you own them.
Let us know what the issues are. Would love to see another 'analog brother' get up and runnin!
Regards,
Ted
Post by: vernier on June 21, 2005, 11:21:14 PM
Post by: ALLEN WRENCH on June 21, 2005, 11:28:45 PM
Now after the motor was put back in it seems as though there's some trouble in the analog torque board. My friend Terry says there are some suspicious chip and cap change outs that might be causing some problems.
The big point is that I'm lucky he has the time to come by and help me out.
As of right now I'm preparing PLAN B... and that could possibly include buying another tape machine, dropping cash on a rack of Mytek converters... or if I'm lucky, my MCI might work out just fine.
The reason I was mentioning the Otari machines is because everyone says they're work hoarses. And probably an equal number of people say that the MCI's are temper mental pains in the ass! I like my MCI, I just wish I could use it to record... instead of a place to stack screwdrivers and porno mags.
Post by: ALLEN WRENCH on June 21, 2005, 11:32:32 PM
I really do have to admit that Charlie Bolis is really a cool guy, but he's slammed on work right now.
Post by: Brian Roth on June 21, 2005, 11:58:17 PM
Anyway, if you're going after an MTR-90, be SURE it's a Mark III. The two that I care for here have been excellent once they got Athan rubber pucks on them. There's a Mark I here that has been a bit of a problem child, but it's chugging along OK with very light usage. By the MK III, Otari sorted many problems out.
I've been impressed by a Studer A-80 MK IV and an A-800 MK III that are in studios in my area. Not too many problems, with the most irritating being the tension sensor pots on the A-80.
Ampex MM-1200 is a possibility, especially later mdoels with the constant tension kit. The 1200 was basically a "bug fix" for the MM-1100!
The Ampex MM-1000 was a good machine, but 24 track versions are very rare. Most sold were 16 track in that era.
Other possibilities I've worked with is the 3M M-79 and the Stephens.
Bri
Post by: vernier on June 22, 2005, 12:46:41 AM
Post by: Brian Roth on June 22, 2005, 01:43:44 AM
Bri
Post by: Cerumen on June 22, 2005, 03:04:25 PM
here's my tech's number.
ken rains
714 208 3475 pgr
323 270 8560 cell
Post by: arconaut on June 22, 2005, 06:09:07 PM
noah
Post by: Markus Fischer on June 22, 2005, 06:46:01 PM
| ALLEN WRENCH wrote on Wed, 22 June 2005 01:42 |
If you were going to suggest a 2" analog tape machine for someone with zero tech ability... which would it be? |
none
Post by: thedoc on June 22, 2005, 09:56:36 PM
life normalizing reel servos and adjusting holdback tension. A Tentelometer will be your friend.
I have had very good luck with many Otari MTR90 Mark II's but I am sure the III's are good.
Post by: Jolly Ted on June 23, 2005, 12:06:21 AM
| Quote: |
Hey Ted, I've got a tech friend of mine helping me a bit... The big point is that I'm lucky he has the time to come by and help me out. |
Good deal, Alex! Having a good tech to help is very important, no matter if you go plan A or B.
I'll be in the Corona / Riverside area next week if you need an additional hand. Just PM me.
Ted
Post by: Brian Roth on June 23, 2005, 01:30:40 AM
| arconaut wrote on Wed, 22 June 2005 17:09 |
Brian... a Stephens? Aren't those machines really difficult to maintain? noah |
There was a Stephens here in OKC for maybe 15 years and it gave very little trouble. However, it was sold/retired probably 10 years ago, so no telling how well one would be holding up these days.
John is still around, apparently in SoCal as I recall.
http://www.stephenselectronics.com/home.htm
Bri
Post by: arconaut on June 23, 2005, 08:20:58 AM
>John is still around, apparently in SoCal as I recall.
>
>http://www.stephenselectronics.com/home.htm
I was excited to see this website, until I discovered that nothing works on it! I had no idea he was still at it, amazing the things you learn on this board.
Post by: Brian Roth on June 23, 2005, 08:48:25 AM
| arconaut wrote on Thu, 23 June 2005 07:20 |
>John is still around, apparently in SoCal as I recall. > >http://www.stephenselectronics.com/home.htm I was excited to see this website, until I discovered that nothing works on it! I had no idea he was still at it, amazing the things you learn on this board. |
Yeah, it's pretty bare-bones, including the "contact" page: "Send me YOUR contact info and I might get back with you." <g>
Bri
Post by: vernier on June 23, 2005, 02:50:38 PM
Post by: lucey on June 25, 2005, 12:59:34 AM
A good tech in Hollywood is Rob Harvey at World Audio, maybe he can help you find someone in Riverside.
MM1200 here ... lots of little things go wrong, but it sounds amazing. Stephens are HOT to tape, neat head design, hard to find.
Post by: vernier on June 25, 2005, 01:36:13 AM
Post by: ALLEN WRENCH on June 25, 2005, 09:20:47 AM
Even if I ever decide to go all digital at some point, I'm still planning on recording on tape and then hitting the ADC's (on my Manley SLAM) off the REPRO head of my tape machine.
Post by: Ronny on June 25, 2005, 02:57:57 PM
| vernier wrote on Sat, 25 June 2005 01:36 |
Radar is digital right? |
Yes, I wouldn't say it sounds better than Otari 2", but a lower noise floor and there isn't any reason that you can't get great results with 24 bit digital these days, after all 99% of the music is going to wind up on digital cd's and dvd's anyway and the annie recordings and mixes are eventually going to go through several digital processes before they reach the consumer. I still work with both, I have to say that some instruments track better to tape, such as drums, especially cymbals, but the benefits of digital in the mixing stage often outweigh the slight improvement that I hear tracking overheads to annie.
Post by: vernier on June 25, 2005, 03:20:25 PM
Post by: Ronny on June 25, 2005, 06:58:51 PM
| vernier wrote on Sat, 25 June 2005 15:20 |
Doesn't matter that it ends up on CD ..analog recordings still sound much different (as proven by outstanding reissues of late). Digital has some specs (low noise floor, whatever), but still sounds weird, I think it's the dynamics, the way the sound comes at you ..much different than with analog. |
Yes analog recording and mixing sounds different than digital recording and mixing, but to diss digital while listening to analog recordings on cd's like some people do, is a bit weird methinks. Savvy engineers utilize both mediums for what they offer, it's just not a one is better at all things than the other, each has it's drawbacks and benefits. The key is to take advantage of the best of both worlds.
Post by: vernier on June 25, 2005, 07:51:12 PM
Post by: acorec on July 01, 2005, 09:45:53 AM
Post by: Han S. on July 01, 2005, 10:11:48 AM
Even aligning isn't needed very often for the machine is quite steady.
Post by: Les Ismore on July 01, 2005, 02:23:21 PM
| thedoc wrote on Wed, 22 June 2005 18:56 |
I will also say that I agree with Brian that if you buy an Ampex MM1200, be SURE that it has the constant tension board (many do not). Otherwise you will spend your life normalizing reel servos and adjusting holdback tension. A Tentelometer will be your friend. |
Actually the MM1100 and mm1200 Ampex will run at correct speed without the constant tension kit. You just need to know how.
With a 1k tone on a fully packed 10" reel, get it to just slightly overspeed into correct speed at the head of the reel, and at the very tail have it come slower up to speed.
This will have it running at speed to spec throughout the reel, but is not covered in the manual. I do this without a Tentelometer.
Then put a note on the controls "DO NOT TOUCH".
What happens is the optical light on the tension arm burns out and the first thing people do is start wanking on the tension controls. Of course without a lightbulb all the tweaking in the world won't fix it. And then it's so far out you need to do a complete tension alignment.
cheers, Les
Post by: Brian Roth on July 01, 2005, 04:23:11 PM
In any case, pinch roller maintenance is important...keeping it unglazed and at the proper pressure.
Bri
Post by: thedoc on July 01, 2005, 06:33:57 PM
It's not about knowing how, the maintenance staff had it down. It's about what makes sense today. Why deal with the hassle and have a machine that is just not as good when you don't have to.
Having said all that, they do sound good and are easy to fix if you have parts. I don't know about head availability today...anybody out there have a handle on that?
Post by: vernier on July 01, 2005, 06:53:40 PM
Post by: Brian Roth on July 01, 2005, 10:19:16 PM
| thedoc wrote on Fri, 01 July 2005 17:33 |
Having said all that, they do sound good and are easy to fix if you have parts. I don't know about head availability today...anybody out there have a handle on that? |
It would be worth a call to John French ar JRF magentics.
Bri
Post by: Les Ismore on July 03, 2005, 02:41:00 PM
| thedoc wrote on Fri, 01 July 2005 15:33 |
At Heiders we had probably 20 MM1200s and some 1100's...working without the constant tension card can and did work, but I would not buy a machine without that card today. The machine really got squirrly when using 5000' loads. In the remote trucks, engineers would have to tweek while recording when it got near the end of the reels...not fun. |
Yeah, that's with a 14" reel. Mostly video guys and remote guys used to use those. That's when you would have wanted the tension kit.
With a standard 10" reel it's fine without the kit, so I wouldn't turn down a nice machine in good shape just because it didn't have the kit. Anyone buying a machine today will be using 10" reels of tape.
I still have one of these (a modified MM1100 with a syncronizer) and have been using it since the late 80's without a tension kit. It's built like a tank.
Post by: thedoc on July 03, 2005, 02:44:32 PM
Post by: Hallams on July 13, 2005, 09:26:35 PM
| Les Ismore wrote on Sun, 03 July 2005 19:41 |
I still have one of these (a modified MM1100 with a syncronizer) and have been using it since the late 80's without a tension kit. It's built like a tank. |
I have an MM1100 also. The power supply has been upgraded so it doesn't blow transistors anymore and two cards have the mod so they punch in/out better. What mods has your machine had Les?
Post by: Les Ismore on July 14, 2005, 01:20:20 AM
BTW if you need any parts I have quite a large stash. PM me if you are needing or wanting anything.
Cheers, Les