Post by: The Resonater on December 12, 2005, 02:22:01 PM
Thanks in advance,
Post by: compasspnt on December 12, 2005, 03:12:02 PM
I spoke to Gunter Wagner when I was in Australia recently, and tried to listen to one of his, but time didn't allow it for either of us. I don't think either mic uses the original tube, but Gunter claims to have a solution for that.
Post by: Ozzy on December 13, 2005, 09:51:06 PM
Post by: jack pettit on December 15, 2005, 10:24:58 AM
I paid 5540.00 and waited about 12 weeks for it.
What would you like to know?
Post by: compasspnt on December 15, 2005, 02:16:07 PM
| jack pettit wrote on Thu, 15 December 2005 10:24 |
I own a Wagner U47 short body/satin top with a K47 capsule I paid 5540.00 and waited about 12 weeks for it. What would you like to know? |
Everything.
Post by: jack pettit on December 15, 2005, 05:47:28 PM
I have been using it with a Manley Tube pre EQ 500
It sounds good, full and smooth.
I think to be clear on top and still be very smooth is a big deal.
It has another virtue, it sounds intimate.
I don't know how but it seems to reveal just a little more about a vocalist.
Post by: Schallfeldnebel on December 16, 2005, 04:22:57 AM
Erik Sikkema
Post by: jack pettit on December 16, 2005, 10:16:27 AM
All the information is there.
Post by: Ozzy on December 16, 2005, 10:58:21 AM
It says it's a Telefunken but not a VF14. There is a picture of it and it looks like an EF14. It says it's similar to the VF14, apart from heater current which sounds like it's a EF14.
Post by: danickstr on December 16, 2005, 03:12:12 PM
Post by: volki on December 22, 2005, 01:34:21 PM
anyway, since we have the owner of one of them right here, it should be easy to confirm - all you need is a screwdriver
Post by: mullard on April 16, 2008, 01:59:42 PM
Sonically it is 100% original U47 ballpark.
I'm happy owner of Wagner 47 and still have to find vintage original (tried almost dozen of them) that would force me to conside Wagner's inferior. Contrary, in several ocassions Wagner was obvious preferred choice over originals.
Compared to Wunder, although I think Wunder is great mic, Wagner is nuance nicer and cleaner in top end.
Post by: Steve Hudson on April 16, 2008, 04:07:16 PM
Post by: Flowers Studio on April 17, 2008, 12:29:38 AM
Post by: seedyunderbelly.com on April 17, 2008, 04:09:37 PM
Hi Ed,
Do you have the Wunder in MPLS?
care to shoot it out with My clones? I have some different capsules in them Including (I Think/deduction) the same one you have (Siegfried T "new" M7-esque attempt) I like those also, A NOS k47(brass and cream), and an NOS M7. I think the "new" M7-esque attempt capsules sound nice and I would guess from my puttering this a bit of the "clear" sound you are experiencing.
Can you swap heads with a standard 47? --oh I remember, I believe the wunder(guess/deduction) is a "flea" body if so the answer is yes--be careful also (I have a 'pre-flea" body/head)--Why can't they get the dome right sheez.
The plastic inside the head is more brittle and I think a nice drop or tipped stand could give it a more special result than a less brittle material... who knows--Also might fix the dome shape haha.
It would be fun to hear your body/amp with the different capsule and visa versa--
(BTW - Ed has a very nice drum room. And probably what most people would consider a dream set up of a building/build out.)
john
Post by: Steve Hudson on April 17, 2008, 05:25:56 PM
| seedyunderbelly.com wrote on Thu, 17 April 2008 15:09 |
Can you swap heads with a standard 47? --oh I remember, I believe the wunder(guess/deduction) is a "flea" body if so the answer is yes--be careful also (I have a 'pre-flea" body/head)--Why can't they get the dome right sheez. The plastic inside the head is more Brittle and I think a nice drop or tipped stand could give it a more special result than a less brittle material... who knows--Also might fix the dome shape haha. |
Mike Castoro explained to me last week that the reason for not copying the flattened dome of the original U47 grille cap is for structural integrity. The flattened style is more succeptible to dents, whereas a rounded dome is stronger (remember the VW Beetle commercials making this point?)
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 17, 2008, 06:11:43 PM
Post by: Flowers Studio on April 18, 2008, 05:07:06 PM
Post by: kats on April 18, 2008, 07:16:03 PM
| Quote: |
Mike Castoro explained to me last week that the reason for not copying the flattened dome of the original U47 grille cap is for structural integrity. The flattened style is more succeptible to dents, whereas a rounded dome is stronger (remember the VW Beetle commercials making this point?) |
OTOH the Neumann "flat head" is a much more robust basket than the Flea basket - my bet is that the Neumann basket could take more abuse. If you ever look at the two side by side, the flea basket just looks and feels cheap by comparison.
Post by: seedyunderbelly.com on April 19, 2008, 10:51:41 AM
| kats wrote on Fri, 18 April 2008 18:16 | ||
OTOH the Neumann "flat head" is a much more robust basket than the Flea basket - my bet is that the Neumann basket could take more abuse. If you ever look at the two side by side, the flea basket just looks and feels cheap by comparison. |
I talked with Mike beofre also, He has to say something right? He said a bunch of stuff to me also. (Is he using Peluso capsules in his C12?)
I think that it is sad all of the vintage U47s will now need to be modded to have a more rounded dome...
If structual integrity was the corcern, They have bigger fish to fry than the dome! Hows about that plastic.. I bought them early one so maybe they fixed this maybe not.
"Flea" was selling those on something Like """" vintage mic """" .com before Mike was using them-- I would guess thats what made it harder to get them @ some point.. Business is as does.. I'll stop here to avert attack.
I own 8 of these mics- I can be the 1st to say the dome looks stupid.
I do not buy the spin on it either- If it is true they would have done a better job with the rest of it perhaps-- if it really really is true-- thats a poor choice in my book-
If anything, a curved line seemd to have more exposure to being dented than the REAL baskets. IMO
Post by: MagnetoSound on April 19, 2008, 12:10:53 PM
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 19, 2008, 01:05:13 PM
Post by: aileka on April 19, 2008, 03:42:01 PM
alain le kim
Post by: kats on April 19, 2008, 05:12:05 PM
Post by: seedyunderbelly.com on April 19, 2008, 08:24:26 PM
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 19, 2008, 09:13:35 PM
Post by: Klaus Heyne on April 20, 2008, 12:47:04 AM
If you don't like the dome of the replica, remove the basket, place it right side up on a hard, flat piece of wood situated on a no-give surface, like a work bench or table.
With a flat, soft, piece of wood as an in-between, use a leather/hide mallet or similar low- impact hammer, and gently tap the hammer onto the flat piece of wood which you have placed so that it is parallel with the table on which the basket rests. Knock gently until the dome is flattened to your liking.
Post by: kats on April 20, 2008, 02:02:47 PM
Pre-damage the instrument (mic) call it historic, and charge extra.
Klaus, I'm not convinced that you are 100% serious. If you are, how about a little background on the basket making process employed by Neumann to create these "flat heads".
PS, I think you may get a more even and precise result by using a vice.
PPS, on the Wunder site where they do a side by side comaprison of the CM7 and an original U47, doesn't the basket on the U47 look like a Flea basket? Quite disingenuous if so.
Post by: Klaus Heyne on April 20, 2008, 05:07:01 PM
| kats wrote on Sun, 20 April 2008 11:02 |
Klaus, I'm not convinced that you are 100% serious. If you are, how about a little background on the basket making process employed by Neumann to create these "flat heads". |
Background of the basket making process? Do I spend all of my waking hours with this stuff, or do I have a life? There comes a point where I have to say: enough-there's life beyond mics!
I've always domed the baskets that way, in and (in case of dents) out. Works perfectly well. But I give you permission to use a vise!
Post by: kats on April 20, 2008, 10:38:03 PM
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There comes a point where I have to say enough-there's life beyond mics! |
Well this is hardly the thread to draw THAT line
The only reason I ask is out of bewilderment as to why the imitation U47 makers do not copy such an obvious physical feature of the mic. Personally I thought the process might have been more complicated than a hammer, but if that's all there is to it, it just strikes me as odd.
Post by: compasspnt on April 20, 2008, 10:56:31 PM
| kats wrote on Sun, 20 April 2008 22:38 |
...a hammer...just strikes me as odd. |
Then how do you think the microphone feels?
Post by: kats on April 20, 2008, 11:15:47 PM
Post by: Matt Allen on April 24, 2008, 05:51:35 PM
I pose the question of when buying a Wunder Mic, are you just buying a Flea?
Post by: J.J. Blair on April 25, 2008, 10:27:12 PM
BTW, I wish they nickel plated the basket screws, and did a translucent switch. That would look so much nicer. Maybe they changed that in the last couple years?
I also don;t understand why Tele USA didn't make their badges the same as on the real ones. They did it on the 251. It would have looked so much cooler.
Post by: Barry Hufker on April 25, 2008, 10:44:22 PM
My... My... U-47... What have you done???!!!