Ya Die Bremsspur! Donna und Shizer das 88 ist zer gut!
Und das V12 wirtschaftlich? Ya Stalingrad hin und zur
Les Ismore wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 23:18 |
Fibes wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 14:06 |
Quote: | If someone has a gun, he can have my wallet, car whatever. I can always get another.
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Funny, in my hood most of the muggings by handgun wielding perps end up with the victim shot no matter how quickly they give up the loot.
So, start saving for a lung, heart or some other parts you might need.
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I get your point. Maybe it's time to move on. It's a big world........
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C'mon over to Europe!
There are a shitload of guns in every country except maybe Old Blighty.
The gunshows over here are even bigger than the ones your prolly used to.
lemme nough...
tik
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 23:49 |
Phuckwit wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 23:57 |
Ya Die Bremsspur! Donna und Shizer das 88 ist zer gut!
Und das V12 wirtschaftlich? Ya Stalingrad hin und zur
Fibes wrote on Wed, 18 April 2007 13:01 | Brad made THE point.
It's tragic that people have to die, hell, I lost a brother to murder so I understand COMPLETELY what those people are going through. I also understand that if there was another SANE armed individual around 25-28 of those families wouldn't be feeling the emptyness and pain they are right now.
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Here's the problem with that. Let's try two scenarios.
1. Cho walks into the crowded classroom. Someone in the class is armed. He pulls his weapon and calmly puts a bullet between Cho's eyes. That would have been lovely.
2. Cho walks into the crowded classroom. Twelve people in the class have guns. Some are calm, some aren't. Some are trained in the use of their weapons, some aren't. They all pull their guns and start shooting. All the students in the other classes, also armed, hear the commotion and pull their weapons. Someone in one of the other rooms panics and fires. Everybody starts shooting.
I'm sorry about your brother I can't imagine the pain and rage.
Les Ismore wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 16:50 |
I carry a knife for protection from dogs or in a pinch if I was in a life threatening situation, self protection.
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Oh this is golden. Rambo here is going to knife Chile the Chihuahua should he come nipping at his feet.
Seriously though, I'd like to see you muster the strength to hold on to a knife, much less lunge it into the muscle bound bone filled frame of a pit pull as he chews your leg off. Unless you're that dude from Young Guns II...get some mace.
PRobb wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 18:49 |
2. Cho walks into the crowded classroom. Twelve people in the class have guns. Some are calm, some aren't. Some are trained in the use of their weapons, some aren't. They all pull their guns and start shooting. All the students in the other classes, also armed, hear the commotion and pull their weapons. Someone in one of the other rooms panics and fires. Everybody starts shooting.
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Referred to as "contagious gunfire" ... VERY real and very dangerous.
RPhilbeck wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 19:17 |
Les Ismore wrote on Thu, 19 April 2007 16:50 |
I carry a knife for protection from dogs or in a pinch if I was in a life threatening situation, self protection.
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Oh this is golden. Rambo here is going to knife Chile the Chihuahua should he come nipping at his feet.
Seriously though, I'd like to see you muster the strength to hold on to a knife, much less lunge it into the muscle bound bone filled frame of a pit pull as he chews your leg off. Unless you're that dude from Young Guns II...get some mace.
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Mace is unlikely to work on a pit bull in attack mode. The appropriate place for your knife I believe on a pit bull is the jaw muscle in the back of the their mouth. Otherwise they don't release. A good friend of mine was on tour in Europe a few years ago when she was walking on a beach and a German Shepherd attacked her. She spent a long time in the hospital and was messed up pretty bad. Another friend who literaly had her face ripped off, again by a German Shepherd. Thirty years later she still has the scars. Mace will work on most dogs but not necessarily Pit Bulls.
Phuckwit wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 02:37 |
What oh Tik! thanks awfully old boy, mines a half of bitter as it happens. Seriously though chaps its far worse buying oranges in Bagdad this week. You might even get run over by a bus. Having to cart about a jolly big gun seems a hell of a drag, Christ one could get all hot and bothered and jolly baitey and get into a skirmish and what not with someone, that wouldn't do at all. Besides chaps there is the school of thought, that its better duck and hide, if its a surprise attack.. and if it isn't, why aren't you dug in and further more the key question happens to be, is there any very good reason why are you still hanging around here.
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It don't matter if it's all bitter, it's on me.
Never bought an orange in Baghhdahd.
You've prolly heard of this thing called the British Army?
Or maybe I don't get your joke. Since they are over there as well.
I think the key question is not why we are still hanging around.
I think it could be will our imcompetence (you're at the front of the line btw) and our arrogance somehow not overwhelm our stance for humanity.
But maybe your right.
Finally, as I am sure you know, you have to assault through an ambush...or suprise attack or whatever.
Obviously that's not easy when said ambusher has just vaporized himself.
lemme nough limey...
tik
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 03:20 |
Phuckwit wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 02:37 |
What oh Tik! thanks awfully old boy, mines a half of bitter as it happens. Seriously though chaps its far worse buying oranges in Bagdad this week. You might even get run over by a bus. Having to cart about a jolly big gun seems a hell of a drag, Christ one could get all hot and bothered and jolly baitey and get into a skirmish and what not with someone, that wouldn't do at all. Besides chaps there is the school of thought, that its better duck and hide, if its a surprise attack.. and if it isn't, why aren't you dug in and further more the key question happens to be, is there any very good reason why are you still hanging around here.
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It don't matter if it's all bitter, it's on me.
Never bought an orange in Baghhdahd.
You've prolly heard of this thing called the British Army?
Or maybe I don't get your joke. Since they are over there as well.
I think the key question is not why we are still hanging around.
I think it could be will our imcompetence (you're at the front of the line btw) and our arrogance somehow not overwhelm our stance for humanity.
But maybe your right.
Finally, as I am sure you know, you have to assault through an ambush...or suprise attack or whatever.
Obviously that's not easy when said ambusher has just vaporized himself.
lemme nough limey...
tik
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Not that it has to do with anything but.....
When I was 15 my dad took me to San andres (small island) there I saw a man without his right arm, ask we walk thru the plaza I saw many people with missing arms,legs,eyes I remember turning to my dad and asking was up? he said look at the cops, I look and they had a run down uniform and a shiny beutifull "machete", my dad said "If you steal they cut your finger off, the second time long sleve (take off the hand), the thrird time short sleve and the forth the cut the head off. for every law there is a sentence carry on with the machete."
as for the guns... I have a gun, its a auto w/ hollow points w 300 rounds ? no!
Quote: | as for the guns... I have a gun, its a auto w/ hollow points w 300 rounds ? no!
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I hope you never get attacked by a mob of 301 people.
Fibes wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 15:57 |
Quote: | as for the guns... I have a gun, its a auto w/ hollow points w 300 rounds ? no!
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I hope you never get attacked by a mob of 301 people.
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Best to line up your shots.
Vegas,
The 300 rounds and your signature block are very scary.
lemme nough....
tik
guns are penises for the sexually dysfunctional. If a guy is getting laid all the time he won't have time to dick around with stroking his guns.
Girls, your job is to lay all the geeks with guns, for the good of humanity.
Self edited
I guess you mean a woman's sexual area represented by a weapon and it seems to do fine without a metaphor. Sent many men to their doom. Or paradise, however you want to put it.
edit: but if you are trying to be funny by calling me a girl, then I pity your infantile sense of humor.
danickstr wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 08:33 | I guess you mean a woman's sexual area represented by a weapon and it seems to do fine without a metaphor. Sent many men to their doom. Or paradise, however you want to put it.
edit: but if you are trying to be funny by calling me a girl, then I pity your infantile sense of humor.
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Post something "infantile" and you've got to expect something "infantile" thrown back at you.
I've edited this comment and extend an apology. Just enjoying a little sparring match, but out of respect to the deceased (which is a the heart of this thread) I concede. No hard feelings i hope.
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 09:20 |
Phuckwit wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 02:37 |
What oh Tik! thanks awfully old boy, mines a half of bitter as it happens. Seriously though chaps its far worse buying oranges in Bagdad this week. You might even get run over by a bus. Having to cart about a jolly big gun seems a hell of a drag, Christ one could get all hot and bothered and jolly baitey and get into a skirmish and what not with someone, that wouldn't do at all. Besides chaps there is the school of thought, that its better duck and hide, if its a surprise attack.. and if it isn't, why aren't you dug in and further more the key question happens to be, is there any very good reason why are you still hanging around here.
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It don't matter if it's all bitter, it's on me.
Never bought an orange in Baghhdahd.
You've prolly heard of this thing called the British Army?
Or maybe I don't get your joke. Since they are over there as well.
I think the key question is not why we are still hanging around.
I think it could be will our imcompetence (you're at the front of the line btw) and our arrogance somehow not overwhelm our stance for humanity.
But maybe your right.
Finally, as I am sure you know, you have to assault through an ambush...or suprise attack or whatever.
Obviously that's not easy when said ambusher has just vaporized himself.
lemme nough limey...
tik
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Yes I have heard of the British Army and "here" might be defined by feet or yards rather than countries. In fact it would be rather safer if the British army could stand around the back of one of those large solid looking Abrams M1 A1 thingies until the pubs open old chap.
edit: I will stop goading the gun-owners. It can be a fine hobby.
People, especially North Americans are very good at trying to deal with symptoms while never addressing the causes. One buys a gun to protect oneself from others who would attack or hurt you. Meanwhile their society has a long history of and continues to disenfranchise certain components of their society, leading in many cases to crime, riots, violence, drug abuse, etc. and a loss of security to all of society. The more one tries to find security while treating the symptoms but not the causes the farther one gets away from it. In the case of this particular massacre, it's very unfortunate that this individual did not get the correct treatment and help he needed, probably institutionalization. A number of years ago in Canada they stopped institutionalizing most people with mental illnesses. They kicked them out into the street with enough money to survive only on skid row. Some people need institutionalization. How we treat our most vulnerable citizens is a reflection of who we are as a society. But hey, they saved some money!
Yery astute! Yes well Britain on the other hand continues to disenfranchise almost all components of our society, leading in the main to a real sense of community. Our mental hospitals have all been closed and the occupants thrown out in the street with about the same fiscal situation as the rest of the vast disenfranchised population, result relative harmony.
Phuckwit wrote on Fri, 20 April 2007 23:34 | Yery astute! Yes well Britain on the other hand continues to disenfranchise almost all components of our society, leading in the main to a real sense of community. Our mental hospitals have all been closed and the occupants thrown out in the street with about the same fiscal situation as the rest of the vast disenfranchised population, result relative harmony.
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But enough about the royals...
He wasn't talking about the Palace...
He was referring to the pubs!
Keef
Its certainly okay with me if people own guns. I've owned three myself, but own none right now. Two were .22 sport rifles and one was a 1943 Lee Enfield 303, full stock, bayonet mount, no bayonet. (like a shoulder mounted cannon lads!). I let em go before I moved here, and through the riots and I still don't think I need one.
Here's my point. We've gotta have a better way of making sure people like Cho and Phil Spector don't get access to guns, period. As I said in an earlier thread about the Spector trial, given his history, how the fuck did he still have guns anyway?
"oh, you're a complete wacko with a history of waving loaded guns at people, but no one is ever going to do anything if you have a few around the house".
You can get an FBI army after you for having a Swiss Army Knife on Jet Blue, but complete lunatics having faced judges about the condition of their sanity go home back to their arsenal? I'm sorry, this is outta control.
bab
bigaudioblowhard wrote on Sat, 21 April 2007 07:30 |
Its certainly okay with me if people own guns. I've owned three myself, but own none right now. Two were .22 sport rifles and one was a 1943 Lee Enfield 303, full stock, bayonet mount, no bayonet. (like a shoulder mounted cannon lads!). I let em go before I moved here, and through the riots and I still don't think I need one.
Here's my point. We've gotta have a better way of making sure people like Cho and Phil Spector don't get access to guns, period. As I said in an earlier thread about the Spector trial, given his history, how the fuck did he still have guns anyway?
"oh, you're a complete wacko with a history of waving loaded guns at people, but no one is ever going to do anything if you have a few around the house".
You can get an FBI army after you for having a Swiss Army Knife on Jet Blue, but complete lunatics having faced judges about the condition of their sanity go home back to their arsenal? I'm sorry, this is outta control.
bab
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You are absolutely right.
I think Germany has it right.
I own a small arsenal.
If I get too many DUIs and lose my drivers license permantly...
NO MORE GUNS.
If a doctor says I'm whacko...
NO MORE GUNS.
If I beat someone's ass because I am attacked then it's up to the legal system.
But if I go around menacing people or start the fight.....
NO MORE GUNS.
There was a kid here who dressed in camo and face paint and shot his teacher then tried to commit hairy canary...
He failed and is still in a coma.
He was able to get the gun from his father's gun safe by having a copy of the key made that his father didn't know about.
So you can do it here but it's not easy.
The only problem is that there are a shitload of illegal weapons and it is my opinion that if times get hard here shit will get interesting.
Mandrake! in the name of Her Majesty and the Continental Congress come here and feed me this belt, boy! lemme nough
It just occured to me that mandrake is a poisonous root. I will have to watch Strangelove again with that in mind.
So many symbolic metaphors, so little time.
Tik wrote : Enough about the royals...roflmfbo.
Anybody know what the US attitude to gun control is in Iraq? So if the marines bust into a suspected terrorists house in say Bagdad is it absolutely no guns, ammunition, IED's or large truck bombs. Or does the US military just let them keep a few of them in deference to their own laws?. I think I might just have hit on one of the slight problems needing to be addressed here.
Phuckwit wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 17:09 | Anybody know what the US attitude to gun control is in Iraq? So if the marines bust into a suspected terrorists house in say Bagdad is it absolutely no guns, ammunition, IED's or large truck bombs. Or does the US military just let them keep a few of them in deference to their own laws?. I think I might just have hit on one of the slight problems needing to be addressed here.
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Actually old chap...swing and a miss for you....
Once you're a felon you lose your constitutional right to bear arms....
Also, it is up to each state's constitution...
And the United States Federal Government is mismanaging things in Iraq...
I know it's confusing for you since we don't have a queen or a bunch of ga-hey royal buttboyz running things....
So...
You just hit air this time...
BTW...Your posts have a lot of people cracking up that come by here
Classic Material...
Cheers...
Tik is this bitterness warranted?
Sometimes I got the feeling that the gap between middle europe and the rest of the world gets even bigger than the ozone whole.. only TIK right there in the middle
Seriously, obviously the answer to this topic is very easy... Civilize the people. Nobody can really think that there´s a reason and space for guns when starting doing so...
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 11:21 | I know it's confusing for you since we don't have a queen or a bunch of ga-hey royal buttboyz running things....
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well, there's Karl Rove. close enough
actually as it turns out there IS a federal law that prevented this guy from buying guns, as he had been ajudicated as mentally unstable... and the federal law supercedes state law. but, naturally, Virginia, like many states, simply chooses to IGNORE the federal law.
I hope some families sue the pants off the Virginia governement.
danickstr wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 21:39 | Tik is this bitterness warranted?
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Wow....
Bitterness....
I can't wait to share a pint and continue.
I am pretty sure it is understood that it seriously taking the piss...
But just for you watching at home, I of course adore every little island monkey, product of mother england, shit talking bloke out there...or perhaps you didn't see me defending Winnie earlier....
Nick,
This piss taking between those fukkers on that stupid island and god's chosen from the greatest country in the world, bar none has been going on for a long, long time.
I personally relish the fukk out of it as there is nothing I enjoy more than a great toe to toe encounter....
I completely revel and enjoy when the "other side" trumps my last insult.
It's good natured...
and as god intended...
In fact, three hours earlier I was handed an insult on the phone from my ex bass players father (Londener) and we both had a good chuckle at my expense....
When you get a good angle and work it in to the banter over dinner it's THE best...
There is of course a modicum of respect evidenced by my use of the term "royals". You won't see me making direct insults or getting personal. It's all banal shit talking...
Nick,
Just know that inside of every limey, cheap, good for nothing, non-space progamme having, shitty teeth chomping, boring and mealy mouthed Brit, there is an 'merican waiting to come out....
Look at Wittman, couldn't wait to get over and start talking shit about us...
lemme nough...
tik....
wwittman wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 22:54 |
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 11:21 | I know it's confusing for you since we don't have a queen or a bunch of ga-hey royal buttboyz running things....
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well, there's Karl Rove. close enough
actually as it turns out there IS a federal law that prevented this guy from buying guns, as he had been ajudicated as mentally unstable... and the federal law supercedes state law. but, naturally, Virginia, like many states, simply chooses to IGNORE the federal law.
I hope some families sue the pants off the Virginia governement.
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W,
Really? Ajudicated?
If true you mentioned the problem....
government!
But they don't ignore federal law, they are too lazy to do their fukken jobs.
That's why the government never put out a good album.
lemme nough
tik wrote:
"That's why the government never put out a good album"
you mean the parliament?
(ducks out of the way)
tik mon,
you say this so often.
has no one ever told you before?
i dig music wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 04:14 |
tik mon,
you say this so often.
has no one ever told you before?
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LMAO
Dear Tik Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Jolly good show old chap, makes mental note, understands a bit of good old fashioned banter eh, Huzzar!. I don't know if any of you chaps from the old US of A have an in with anybody from Pittsburgh but my brothers old regiment has just had a tiny prang with a roadside bomb and a Challenger 11. If you could see your way clear it seems we would like to borrow a few sheets of good quality steel and a big welder. Previously the Fuzzy Wussys had only managed to put annoying dents in the floor. I wonder if you could be awfully kind and try to see if you can do something about undercover munitions factories up north. And stop building that bloody useless wall. Its hearts and minds dear boy hearts and minds remember. Go out and buy some Tea chap and invite the bloody Sunnies round and get a few cucumber sandwiches while your at it. Don't you yanky chaps know how to run a bloody Empire. Yours Fairfax
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 18:57 |
wwittman wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 22:54 |
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 11:21 | I know it's confusing for you since we don't have a queen or a bunch of ga-hey royal buttboyz running things....
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well, there's Karl Rove. close enough
actually as it turns out there IS a federal law that prevented this guy from buying guns, as he had been ajudicated as mentally unstable... and the federal law supercedes state law. but, naturally, Virginia, like many states, simply chooses to IGNORE the federal law.
I hope some families sue the pants off the Virginia governement.
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W,
Really? Ajudicated?
If true you mentioned the problem....
government!
But they don't ignore federal law, they are too lazy to do their fukken jobs.
That's why the government never put out a good album.
lemme nough
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I thought the IRS tapes was pretty good... http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,137816 ,00.html
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Sun, 22 April 2007 18:57 |
But they don't ignore federal law, they are too lazy to do their fukken jobs.
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I'm letting you "nough"... no.. they CHOOSE to ignore the federal law. as several other states do as well.
when a state chooses to pass a law that contradicts federal law on, say, medical marijuana, the feds are QUICK to jump on enforcement of the superceding federal law.
but when it comes to guns... they CHOOSE to turn a blind eye and stay clear.
we'll see if it changes now. but I doubt it. this admin is utterly in love with the gun lobby.
"this admin is utterly in love with the gun..."
wot? cheney?
Phuckwit wrote on Mon, 23 April 2007 12:48 | Dear Tik Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Jolly good show old chap, makes mental note, understands a bit of good old fashioned banter eh, Huzzar!. I don't know if any of you chaps from the old US of A have an in with anybody from Pittsburgh but my brothers old regiment has just had a tiny prang with a roadside bomb and a Challenger 11. If you could see your way clear it seems we would like to borrow a few sheets of good quality steel and a big welder. Previously the Fuzzy Wussys had only managed to put annoying dents in the floor. I wonder if you could be awfully kind and try to see if you can do something about undercover munitions factories up north. And stop building that bloody useless wall. Its hearts and minds dear boy hearts and minds remember. Go out and buy some Tea chap and invite the bloody Sunnies round and get a few cucumber sandwiches while your at it. Don't you yanky chaps know how to run a bloody Empire. Yours Fairfax
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Again for those of you not here in our studios, I would like to explain my take on this paragraph.
Then I have to stop fukken around and get to work.
Obviously, the whole goddamn thing is classic English.
It escapes cliche yet embodies something that would be the opposite of cliche...
Where was I?
Yeah,
This paragraph could simply not be written by an American.
Even if attempting parody.
Even after living amongst or breeding with "them"...yucky...
After attempting to conquer the world, reaching beyond the solar system, inventing most useful stuff, inventing all cool stuff except Mauser and Marshall, forging and outpacing the world in medicine, science and culture....
We still...
could not even begin to convey so many ideas or manipulate the language so skillfully in such a small space.
I don't see how these goddamn boys do it.
Mark Twain...
Noted for conveyance of an idea without all the frills.
And the ideas he espoused were big....like 'merica
Where as the above paragraph is precise, multi layered and enormous....all at the same time.
This is why 'merica is so fukken violent.
Most lashing out occurs after the phrase, "whut da fukk did you just say?!?!"
Just like when watching a dog lick his balls, a man must know his limitations. And there is no way any gringo could just start jotting some shit of that order.
The paragraph contains inclusiveness, and a very insightful self deprecating approach.
It is warm and meant to be deeply disturbing and provoking at the same time.
The reference to empire is completely sarcastic, self condemning, funny, and lacking any ostracizing element.
And that's all I have to say about it right now...
So fukk off people at home...
lemme nough...
tik
While gun control is not a bad idea. et al. keeping guns out of the hands of violent criminals with the use of background checks. gun bans are just plain useless, because the violent criminals can still get guns.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm "According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -
* a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2% * a retail store or pawnshop for about 12% * family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%"
criminals say they get guns from primarily illegal sources, that means they can still get guns while law abiding citizens will no longer be able to protect themselves.
And another quick statistic from the same source (the US Department of Justice)
"Incidents involving a firearm represented 9% of the 4.7 million violent crimes of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and simple assault in 2005."
So the lion's share of violent crimes do not even involve firearms.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=paFiguresThurs18Crim efiguresud2Substitute&show_article=1 Gun crime has risen in Britain despite the gun ban. "Guns were used in 4,120 robberies last year - a 10% jump - including a 9% rise to 1,439 in the number of street robberies where guns were used."
To comment on one other poster's thoughts that more people are killed in the US by guns is ludicrous. In fact it would be much more effective to ban driving. That way we can save even more lives. To be fair however, the traffic fatalities have been getting better over the last decade because of vehicle improvements such as electronic stability control. To that end, why not simply make guns safer for law abiding citizens and more difficult to obtain for criminals, solving the problem on all fronts.
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp "Gun-control advocates look at guns only as a means to harm others even though they are more often used to prevent injury. According to a 1995 study entitled “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun” by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, published by the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology at Northwestern University School of Law, law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year."
http://www.rense.com/general76/univ.htm "Readers may be interested to know that Kleck is a member of the ACLU, Amnesty International USA, and Common Cause, among other politically liberal organizations. He is also a lifelong registered Democrat. He is not and has never been a member of or contributor to the NRA, Handgun Control Inc., or any other advocacy group on either side of the gun-control issue, nor has he received funding for research from any such organization."
Gun control is a much smarter solution than gun bans.
In fact, imagine gun bans were implemented today, what could we look forward to?
Well if 80% of the criminals that use guns are still able to get them (see my cited source above), that means we will still likely have 80% of the offenses with firearms. That is 381,632 violent crimes with guns still.
approx. 2.5million crimes per year are prevented by law abiding citizens using firearms. A gun ban will drop this statistic to 0, as law abiding citizens tend not to break the law . Violent crime will certainly increase by several orders of magnitude.
In summary, yes we will have less accidental shootings, maybe less school shootings, but as an unfortunate side effect violent crime will most certainly increase as it has in Britain and other countries banning ownership for law abiding citizens.
And for a last bit of fat for gun ban advocates http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html England, Denmark, Australia and other ranked higher for violent crime than did the US.
Hopefully the intelligent group in this forum can digest the info and come to sensible conclusions that gun bans do not work.
S! Jason
theremin wrote on Sun, 29 April 2007 20:00 |
Hopefully the intelligent group in this forum can digest the info and come to sensible conclusions that gun bans do not work...
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... in the U.S.
In middle europe it does, I can assure you..
There IS a substantial difference between the U.S. and europe when it comes to the usage of guns. It´s because of gun control since a VERY LONG period of time so that people adjust their manners. One could state gun control as a tool in order to civilise the people...
St.
steveeastend wrote on Sun, 29 April 2007 21:30 |
theremin wrote on Sun, 29 April 2007 20:00 |
Hopefully the intelligent group in this forum can digest the info and come to sensible conclusions that gun bans do not work...
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... in the U.S.
In middle europe it does, I can assure you..
There IS a substantial difference between the U.S. and europe when it comes to the usage of guns. It´s because of gun control since a VERY LONG period of time so that people adjust their manners. One could state gun control as a tool in order to civilise the people...
St.
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Have you ever lived in the states?
People generally in Europe treat each other like shit.
I wouldn't say one group is more civilized at all, they're both monkees, but the gun control helps keep the shit out of the hands of the crazies...
BTW you guys just sold a shitload of sniper rifles to Iran...
congrats on the profit.
Steyer Mannlicher.
Anyway I find the differences and simularities very interesting.
Hey, I'll bring some German bier BTW...
lemme nough...
tik
steveeastend wrote on Sun, 29 April 2007 14:30 |
theremin wrote on Sun, 29 April 2007 20:00 |
Hopefully the intelligent group in this forum can digest the info and come to sensible conclusions that gun bans do not work...
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... in the U.S.
In middle europe it does, I can assure you..
There IS a substantial difference between the U.S. and europe when it comes to the usage of guns. It´s because of gun control since a VERY LONG period of time so that people adjust their manners. One could state gun control as a tool in order to civilise the people...
St.
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I am not saying gun control is not a good thing, just that gun bans are a bad thing. gun control and gun bans are different animals.
And people DON'T adjust their manners. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=paFiguresThurs18Crim efiguresud2Substitute&show_article=1 Gun crime has risen in Britain despite the gun ban. "Guns were used in 4,120 robberies last year - a 10% jump - including a 9% rise to 1,439 in the number of street robberies where guns were used."
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Sun, 29 April 2007 16:16 |
Have you ever lived in the states?
People generally in Europe treat each other like shit.
I wouldn't say one group is more civilized at all,
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I've lived both places... I don't think Britons "treat each other like shit" as much as Americans do... and I think in many ways Europeans ARE more civilised.
certainly as regards shooting each other... (which they do much less often)
wwittman wrote on Mon, 30 April 2007 06:57 |
Die BREMSSPUR wrote on Sun, 29 April 2007 16:16 |
Have you ever lived in the states?
People generally in Europe treat each other like shit.
I wouldn't say one group is more civilized at all,
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I've lived both places... I don't think Britons "treat each other like shit" as much as Americans do... and I think in many ways Europeans ARE more civilised.
certainly as regards shooting each other... (which they do much less often)
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W, it was an obvious reference to the continent...
get your shit together!
oh okay.
so the fact that Britain seems able to control both guns and gun violence is irrelevant because you were tlaking baout the continent?
how many gun deaths per capita in Britain in a year versus in the US. even NOW.
W,
I guess you don't keep track of who says what in any given thread...
But that's cool...
Let's argue about whatever you want.
Quote: | W, it was an obvious reference to the continent...
get your shit together!
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Enough incontinence, We are the cowboys of the world, I admit it. But there are hot spots everywhere.
Larrchild wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 02:37 | We are the cowboys of the world, I admit it. But there are hot spots everywhere.
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Yes, America seems to be quite the anomaly when it comes to violence. I've heard many reasonings, but whatever the case, it's observable that there is a culture of violence in the USA that you don't see as much in other 1st world nations.
thats cause we have to kick so much ass to keep you furigners from getting eaten by the big bad commies.
PookyNMR wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 17:46 |
Larrchild wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 02:37 | We are the cowboys of the world, I admit it. But there are hot spots everywhere.
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Yes, America seems to be quite the anomaly when it comes to violence. I've heard many reasonings, but whatever the case, it's observable that there is a culture of violence in the USA that you don't see as much in other 1st world nations.
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I don't understand the comparisons to Western Europe....
Not only that our genetic composition was every crazy mother fukken religious fruitcake that they put on a boat to get rid of. Every mad murderous bastard that was too big for his little dorf in the Hessian hills got on the boat to kill and savage. Every whacked out loser who didn't fit in...on the boat.
Every poor loser mother fukker from Ireland and Italy who couldn't cut it...on the boat...
Every brother who got rounded it up in Africa...on the boat...
Every complete psychopathic restless dog fukking retard...on the boat...
Every burned out British rock star whose offspring look like they came from the Island of Dr. Monreau...
Mix that all together....
Here I am...
So don't compare me to these perfectly logical, conservative euros....
Cause I'll fukken bite you!
lemme nough...
tik
wwittman wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 05:19 | oh okay.
so the fact that Britain seems able to control both guns and gun violence is irrelevant because you were tlaking baout the continent?
how many gun deaths per capita in Britain in a year versus in the US. even NOW.
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I suspect a lot of it may be down to perception and attitude to guns.
There seems to be much more of a macho attitude about guns in the US than in Europe.
Just look at the tv/movies...
In a British film, if someone pulls out a gun it's unusual, it's scary, ugly death is the most likely outcome, it's not glamourous.
In an American movie, guns come out all the time, there are endless gunfights where the good guys (or maybe the antihero in the film) are practically bulletproof, guns are cool, gunfights are exciting.
Take a look at where a lot of our increases in gun crime in the UK are happening, with street gangs caught up in the myth of "Gangsta" cool, perpetuated by artists who'd probably just end up as someone's bitch if they ever really went to prison, people are starting to think that carrying a gun makes them cool and tough... and then others start to carry guns in case they meet one of these guys...
Or look at Switzerland, more guns per citizen than the USA, but much less gun crime, why? I get the impression that in the USA owning guns is seen first and foremost as a RIGHT, whereas in Switzerland it is seen as a RESPONSIBILITY.
Jon Hodgson wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 12:29 | with street gangs caught up in the myth of "Gangsta" cool, perpetuated by artists who'd probably just end up as someone's bitch if they ever really went to prison
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Jon Hodgson wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 18:29 |
wwittman wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 05:19 | oh okay.
so the fact that Britain seems able to control both guns and gun violence is irrelevant because you were tlaking baout the continent?
how many gun deaths per capita in Britain in a year versus in the US. even NOW.
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I suspect a lot of it may be down to perception and attitude to guns.
There seems to be much more of a macho attitude about guns in the US than in Europe.
Just look at the tv/movies...
In a British film, if someone pulls out a gun it's unusual, it's scary, ugly death is the most likely outcome, it's not glamourous.
In an American movie, guns come out all the time, there are endless gunfights where the good guys (or maybe the antihero in the film) are practically bulletproof, guns are cool, gunfights are exciting.
Take a look at where a lot of our increases in gun crime in the UK are happening, with street gangs caught up in the myth of "Gangsta" cool, perpetuated by artists who'd probably just end up as someone's bitch if they ever really went to prison, people are starting to think that carrying a gun makes them cool and tough... and then others start to carry guns in case they meet one of these guys...
Or look at Switzerland, more guns per citizen than the USA, but much less gun crime, why? I get the impression that in the USA owning guns is seen first and foremost as a RIGHT, whereas in Switzerland it is seen as a RESPONSIBILITY.
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Those Swiss are some repsonsibility having mother fukker....
They sell their guns to the highest bidder...
right on...
fight the power...
what else do the movies say?
Jon Hodgson wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 10:29 | There seems to be much more of a macho attitude about guns in the US than in Europe.
Just look at the tv/movies...
In a British film, if someone pulls out a gun it's unusual, it's scary, ugly death is the most likely outcome, it's not glamourous.
In an American movie, guns come out all the time, there are endless gunfights where the good guys (or maybe the antihero in the film) are practically bulletproof, guns are cool, gunfights are exciting.
Take a look at where a lot of our increases in gun crime in the UK are happening, with street gangs caught up in the myth of "Gangsta" cool, perpetuated by artists who'd probably just end up as someone's bitch if they ever really went to prison, people are starting to think that carrying a gun makes them cool and tough... and then others start to carry guns in case they meet one of these guys...
Or look at Switzerland, more guns per citizen than the USA, but much less gun crime, why? I get the impression that in the USA owning guns is seen first and foremost as a RIGHT, whereas in Switzerland it is seen as a RESPONSIBILITY.
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Exactly - it is all part of the American culture of glamorized violence.
Hi Tik,
see you on saturday and looking forward to the german beer, which I pretty much know from a couple of experiences in good old germany.
I´ve been to America very often, long stays, and I have to disagree that americans somehow treat each other better. I really do think that europeans, especially when it comes to the use of guns, ARE FOR SURE more civilized than americans.
The fact that european countries take the guns they keep away from their people, and sell it to, f.e. Irak is, on the other hand for sure an uncivilized act of ingnorance and greed.
cheers steve
steveeastend wrote on Tue, 01 May 2007 21:02 | Hi Tik,
see you on saturday and looking forward to the german beer, which I pretty much know from a couple of experiences in good old germany.
I´ve been to America very often, long stays, and I have to disagree that americans somehow treat each other better. I really do think that europeans, especially when it comes to the use of guns, ARE FOR SURE more civilized than americans.
The fact that european countries take the guns they keep away from their people, and sell it to, f.e. Irak is, on the other hand for sure an uncivilized act of ingnorance and greed.
cheers steve
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Thanx for the kind words.
My intention, and maybe I am waaaaayyyy out there, is to challenge people here to come up with their own opinions instead of repeating what is being fed to them.
I hope this comes across to some...
Anyhoo...for European civility, please see Yugoslavia or all the minority police officers and small town officials here in Germany.
Go anywhere outside a major city here and tell them you are from Israel...
Free drinks all around....
Butt...
I was referring to just your everyday common civility...
Most places here on the continent people step on your dick and bum rush you constantly....
It happened to me twice today at the music store of all places....
Sorry a chick bum rushed me too...so three times...
Anyway, I don't give a shit or I would move.
It's just an observation.
And it was a response about civility....
But if you look at the last hundred years many more euros have died from gunfire than 'mericans...
So we're obviously in the same bucket...
Speaking of buckets...
Bier coming south...
variety pack...
tik
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