chrisj wrote on Tue, 02 January 2007 18:49 |
Is this Henchman track a reference? I can't see anything saying I mustn't hear it, but there's a rule saying it shouldn't be there yet so I'd like a word on whether I should be ignoring it or not |
scott volthause wrote on Wed, 03 January 2007 13:25 |
great tune. can i ask a really stupid question? are there two drummers? or just two drum performances to comp - edit and whatnot? also, is anyone else getting some funky static on the rhodes track about a minute from the end? |
scott volthause wrote on Wed, 03 January 2007 13:25 |
great tune. can i ask a really stupid question? are there two drummers? or just two drum performances to comp - edit and whatnot? also, is anyone else getting some funky static on the rhodes track about a minute from the end? |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 03 January 2007 16:08 |
didn't ntice any static here. just make it work. drums: the answer is yes......HAHAHAHA sorry, you have to fly blind on this one. do what you think is the best move, that's what this whole thing is about.....you making the track what you think it needs to be without any input. |
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i'm finished with the mix, can i upload it? surely, the idea of this is not to peek (it's not like it's graded or anything) |
scott volthause wrote on Wed, 03 January 2007 16:16 |
as for the drums, i totally understand the "make it work" paradigm, but i would think even worst case where a band dumps tracks in your lap they would mention if they had 2 drummers? ah well. i'll make it work. thanks! |
j.hall wrote on Wed, 03 January 2007 18:32 | ||
no, you are totally right, this is just an excercise of "more freedom" for you. so where it might be frustrating, try to make it more "freeing" the mixes should be submitted as you would submit for client approval. for me that means bumping the level up with no gain reduction on the limiter. not too interested in discussing it this time, i'm all ears for future IMPs upload your song early and i'll delete it. people might be done, but some one might be out of town and grab the tune over the weekend. i don't want any mixes to be heard prior to tuesday. they will only influence your mixing decisions. consult the rules thread if something isn't clear.....and let me know if the rules thread doesn't cover anything. |
henchman wrote on Wed, 03 January 2007 21:57 |
All these things should be in the rules. I didn't know that: A. We were supposed tow ait untill the last day to upload. B. No limiting. I'll re-do my output. |
six_wax wrote on Fri, 05 January 2007 08:54 |
what's the name of the song? |
j.hall wrote on Thu, 04 January 2007 03:32 |
people might be done, but some one might be out of town and grab the tune over the weekend. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 07:08 |
Ho Ho ho:) I'm ready too. I like drum sound so much as much as i hate Guitar playing:)))) Mostly not because of sound, but because guitarist probably was drunk!!!!!!!!!! and recorded this song in the morning after party:) I have intentionally not edited guitar!, and i won't spent my time on this and i hope my concept will be understood even if guitar will be out of time and not comping good with vocals:) SIMPLY because i CANNOT REPLACE THIS GUITAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was it so difficult to record powercords in different tracks, main rytmical idea to different and arpegios to the different? and not have all this in single track while switching from one to another and playing out of time. I wonder how many takes was taken before record something like this. |
henchman wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 19:38 | ||
Thank you. I thought I would be the only person who felt the same way. I edited the drums, and used the one or 2 sections that as far as timing, were close to being played in the same week. I then edited the bass to that. That wa sit for editing. I found it to be lazy and bad playing. With no effort at all put into doing something good. The vocals sounded like one takes. And in this case, that's a bad thing. It seems like "Indie" has becomen synonymous with "bad". |
ATOR wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 00:03 |
I don't think sloppy playing makes a song more real, human or more emotional. I'd pick a solid groove anytime, I don't mind if it's loose but it has to make me move. Then again I don't have any records of the bands Garret just mentioned |
garretg wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 15:19 |
I guess everyone's entitled to an opinion... Here's mine. There's a ton of good in these tracks. The sum is greater than the parts... I've listened to my (semi) final mix now about 10 times today, just because I can't stop. And it's one of the better things I've worked on in a while... My three year old loves it too, and he's got good taste, honest. Folks, this is an indie rock forum... if you don't get indie rawk, maybe you should: a) buy some: pixies, fugazi, sonic youth, minutemen, guided by voices, yo la tengo, built to spill, pavement, and modest mouse records, and get up to speed or b) find something else to do. -Garret |
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So, learn how to play togetehr first, before you go into a studio and try to be one take wonders. |
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I've seen many an indie band put on their release that they recorded all their songs in 2 days, and it was all one take. So, they're starting off by putting an excuse on the label. |
chrisj wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 03:37 |
Then I guess the challenge is spelled out. Make these guys sound like awesome. Not 'correct': awesome. Okeydokey |
Nizzle wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 19:27 |
Any idea how many important records you would have wiped out of existence with the sort of hard line narrow mindedness expressed above? Look - I get it - you don't like this music. Fine , Cool...End it there. You know - I remember listening to the Pixies "Surfer Rosa", the first Stooges record an the Velvet Underground for the first time and I Fricken Hated them. -t |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 14:38 |
Hello, Moreover my mix is using Indie mixing approaches, which in my oppinion still need to be developed among engeneers... |
Tom C wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 14:35 | ||
A mix is a mix is a mix. Why should I mix an album from an independent band any different? Remember Indie isn't a style (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_rock for details). |
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What makes Indie Rock musically different is a: 1) Drums Playing non straight patterns: for example "I. I. I" 2) Live feeling in play. 3) Playing inner melodies (guitar arpegios) which rytmically comping with piano and with drums. I don't feel arranging of this song was following this. It is more easy to drop some garbage on track (like we have at the end) then trying comping rytmical elements. |
scottoliphant wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 07:52 |
Furthermore, not really sure any artists sit down and try to write an "indie" song using the above list. |
Nizzle wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 19:40 |
I wonder if this is only one guy and NOT a band...kinda sounds that way to me, but I don't know squat. -t |
gatino wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 22:56 |
there's digital distortion (static noise?) in the original "vox" file. i'll finish the mix and send it as is since there is nothing one can do about it. kind of disappointing. i can't imagine this is supposed to be part of the challenge. |
iCombs wrote on Sun, 07 January 2007 23:36 |
Hey man, I've touched WAY worse. |
gatino wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 06:00 |
i'd like to know what others did esp. considering the lead track had the noise. |
scott volthause wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 16:19 |
I found the drums fairly lifeless. It took a fair amount of thinking and experimenting to actually get some groove going. NO editing though. |
garretg wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 14:53 |
I will say that the vocal was the easiest thing for me to mix in this track... no major editing, pitch problems, etc... |
dconstruction wrote on Mon, 08 January 2007 22:49 |
Snare = 57s. Kick beater = MD421, reso = RE20. OH = Lawson L47. |
Vladislavs Korehovs wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 08:16 |
I WANT DISCUSSION THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
dconstruction wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 01:49 |
Thanks to everyone who participates. Can't wait to hear the results! Lindsay Graham |
Thomas Lester wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 10:50 | ||
Yeah... is there going to be an official discussion thread? |
Thomas Lester wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 07:50 | ||
Yeah... is there going to be an official discussion thread? |
ScotcH wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 11:46 |
Ok, now that everyone is done with this thing (I think?) how many think that the tambourine was just thrown in to see how many people would actually try to use it? I just can't believe that this was part of the original tracks I contemplated copying just 1 hit and pasting it in places, but that seemed an awful like "adding a part" to me, so I didn't. |
dconstruction wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 14:54 |
Here's the answer to the tambourine, a description of which I left out of my previous post. We were about done with the track, and it was late. I walked in from the tracking room and into the control room as Marcus was listening back. While getting back to the desk, I stepped on a tambourine. Marcus's eyes widened and he jumped up exclaiming, "that's it!". Back in the tracking room, he had both fists full of every tambourine I own (four, I think) in front of the L47. What you hear is what he tracked. We loved it. L |
chrisj wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 15:55 |
To me it sounded like sputters from the powerlines which were down on the wet streets. |