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110-degree angle for two near-coincident cardioids normally gives a solid stereo image across a nice, wide stereo pickup angle. With 17 cm spacing between the capsules, that's well known as the "ORTF" stereo pickup method, and I'd guess that this is what your book was talking about |
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In my experience, if the capsule is used for close miking or in a studio, then "on axis" is better and you can take advantage of the proximity effect (bass boost) due to the close placement as well. If you point the capsule in a direction to have the source "off axis", you mustn't forget that there still is an "on axis" and where that is pointing and what sounds that might be capturing |
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and you also were most likely aiming the null of both capsules at some part of the direct sound source. That's generally not a good thing to do with any directional microphone. |
chikkenguy wrote on Wed, 18 May 2005 22:59 |
i was utilizing the null (or somewhere near the null) of the mic in an attempt to reject the voice. should i expect that most mics capturing a direct source in this fashion will generally produce an unpleasing result? |
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I am curious what your working distance was when you were recording the guitar and listening to the voice, off axis. All of this comes into play when considering quality of sound off axis. This is also why I mentioned proximity effect. The directional mics can sound good when used very close and you get favorable prox. effect. But I don't think those effects occur behind the microphone and you can't consider that to be poor off axis response. If you place the microphones at the distance that they were designed to have a particularly even frequency response, you will notice that the off axis sound is just fine. But that distance will not be from 2 inches to 2 feet, but will be in the 10-30 feet range for the MK41. |
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upercardioid microphones are different enough from cardioids to deserve more experimentation and listening before you judge them. Give yourself more time, please. |
David Satz wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 23:20 |
Mike, this is in reply to your message from May 19, because your suggestions for miking distances to use with supercardioids didn't fit at all with my experiences recording with them in concert halls. I think the problem may be your concept of what is sometimes called "distance factor" or "reach"--there is a basic limit to how far that concept applies in the real world, and perhaps this limit is not clear to you. |
Mike Mermagen wrote on Thu, 02 June 2005 19:06 |
I was merely suggesting whether the off axis response of supercardioids like the MK41 is as dramatically different to the poster, when used at close distances (inches) vs distant (many feet), as that was his main complaint. It sounded to me like he was concentrating on the tone quality of the subject (voice) as it was coming in "off axis" on the mic. Have you spoken into the back of an MK41 recently? Anyway, I could have misunderstood his issue and been unclear about my interpretation. |